Power attracts the incompetent
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War... War never changes
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optimists havent been outside lately
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War... War never changes
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optimists havent been outside lately
Why is that a jerk act?tkioz said:Imagine you're a farmer in 16th century France, you've got just enough food stored away so that you and your family might eat for the winter; along comes a family of refugees, they beg you for food and shelter, do you a) help them and put your own family at risk of starving during winter or b) turn them away knowing full well they'll likely starve?ultrachicken said:I think people measure how great their religion is based on whether or not they think it's actually correct.
It's not only the "nastiest" that survive. Plenty of civilians haven't owned slaves, or committed mass genocide, etc. It's just the ones that do get the most attention.
Please, stop with the "humans are such jerks!" threads.
Using today's morality turning them away is a wrong act, but the very fact we were born means that our ancestors made these sort of choices and chose themselves.
Humans are jerks, it's hard-wired into us, doesn't mean we shouldn't try and over-come it, but it's not something we should be ignorant about either.
Family has kept so many records to keep track of this stuff. Heritage and bloodlines are very important to us.standokan said:Awesome, but how did you find out?LogicNProportion said:"
Scipio = Farthest ancestor fought beside him as one of his officers at Carthage.
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Okay since you didn't get it, how about a clearer cut one, two men are taken into a dark room, one is given a choice if he says yes there is a 50% chance he and the other man will be killed, if he says no he will live and the other man will die; our ancestors made choices that boiled down to that all the time, help someone and run the risk of suffering for it, or don't help and stay safe; the people that stayed safe will likely have lived long enough to pass on their genes.ultrachicken said:Why is that a jerk act?tkioz said:Imagine you're a farmer in 16th century France, you've got just enough food stored away so that you and your family might eat for the winter; along comes a family of refugees, they beg you for food and shelter, do you a) help them and put your own family at risk of starving during winter or b) turn them away knowing full well they'll likely starve?ultrachicken said:I think people measure how great their religion is based on whether or not they think it's actually correct.
It's not only the "nastiest" that survive. Plenty of civilians haven't owned slaves, or committed mass genocide, etc. It's just the ones that do get the most attention.
Please, stop with the "humans are such jerks!" threads.
Using today's morality turning them away is a wrong act, but the very fact we were born means that our ancestors made these sort of choices and chose themselves.
Humans are jerks, it's hard-wired into us, doesn't mean we shouldn't try and over-come it, but it's not something we should be ignorant about either.
It helps no one if both families starve. I see that choice as either: you survive, they die, or: you die, they die.
I'm not denying that bad shit happens, but we've also got goodness hardwired into us. Being ignorant to that can be just as dangerous as being ignorant to the bad stuff in humans.
We care about people close to us, just not every single stranger we see on the street. To do so would drive a man insane. We do, in fact, care about ourselves the most, but that's because the one person we know best is ourselves.tkioz said:Okay since you didn't get it, how about a clearer cut one, two men are taken into a dark room, one is given a choice if he says yes there is a 50% chance he and the other man will be killed, if he says no he will live and the other man will die; our ancestors made choices that boiled down to that all the time, help someone and run the risk of suffering for it, or don't help and stay safe; the people that stayed safe will likely have lived long enough to pass on their genes.ultrachicken said:Why is that a jerk act?tkioz said:Imagine you're a farmer in 16th century France, you've got just enough food stored away so that you and your family might eat for the winter; along comes a family of refugees, they beg you for food and shelter, do you a) help them and put your own family at risk of starving during winter or b) turn them away knowing full well they'll likely starve?ultrachicken said:I think people measure how great their religion is based on whether or not they think it's actually correct.
It's not only the "nastiest" that survive. Plenty of civilians haven't owned slaves, or committed mass genocide, etc. It's just the ones that do get the most attention.
Please, stop with the "humans are such jerks!" threads.
Using today's morality turning them away is a wrong act, but the very fact we were born means that our ancestors made these sort of choices and chose themselves.
Humans are jerks, it's hard-wired into us, doesn't mean we shouldn't try and over-come it, but it's not something we should be ignorant about either.
It helps no one if both families starve. I see that choice as either: you survive, they die, or: you die, they die.
I'm not denying that bad shit happens, but we've also got goodness hardwired into us. Being ignorant to that can be just as dangerous as being ignorant to the bad stuff in humans.
As for good hard-wired into us... err what good? the only thing I can see is the willingness to adopt codes of conduct in order to stay in a group for better protection, the willingness to suffer for our offspring, and that's about all I can see as "good" in human nature, everything else do that could be considered "good" today is against our nature.