Human Nature - Explained!

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n00beffect

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Okay, so I recently stumbled upon a big amount of threads including such... silly, little questions, of the sort "is it okay to lie?", "are you a hypocrite", "is it okay to watch car crashes" and so on. Now, I find it amusing how most people, not only here in the EC(That's short for Escapist Comunity *coughNERDcough*) are completely unfamiliar with the concepts and bounderies of human nature. I mean, have we gotten, oh, so brainwashed by all sorts of moralities and moral codes that we've completely forgotten that most of the "bad" things in life are actually NORMAL?! It puzzles me to no extent... Our society has become so entranced with being ethical and morally-"good" and just outright crazy! So that's why I've conducted a small list of "things", or more likely charecteristics of the human nature, as we've known it for quite a while. To re-cap, these are the things that are normal for us to do/like, find interesting/intrigueing and so on:

Murder, comes first to my mind. It's one of the basic survival skills that ALL creatures on this planet(and some other planet too, I suppose) have picked-up during our long evolutionary process. Also, this one includes violence in every possible form, because I don't wish to discuss every one of these forms.

Sexual Intercorse, or recreation - Yes! Sex! It's actually GOOD for you, wheather you're a man or a woman, it doesn't really matter. It's healthy and most importantly - free!

Henceforth - Deceit, or cheating, or basially - wanting to recreate with another of your kind(or not of your kind, whatever you're in to). This is something completely normal and EVEN observed in most animals. I know giving examples with animals is a stupid, pathetic argument, but in this case it's viable.

Theft - Possession is something that we, ourselves have thUnked-up. Such a thing as "hey! that's mine!" doesn't exist. It's only a formality, an unwritten law, a silent agreement that "this" is yours and therefore nobody else can touch it. Without these things, "this" is as much yours as it is mine.

Envy - A branch deriving from the same silent agreement that we just discussed. If we're in need of something, for no matter what reason, it's normal that we actually WANT it. And because of that same moral "law" that states that taking something that doesn't "belong" to you is "wrong", we've given birth to a new sensation in our own little minds - envy. So being envious of someone is nothing to be ashamed of.

Deceit in a form of a Lie - Also a tool for survival, I believe. We humans are intelligent creatures, so when it comes to saving our own a@#es we tend to do whatever's possible to accomplish the task. So, basically we use this one to get out of sticky situations that our brains percieve to be harmful to our well being. But there's another, more complicated reason for it. Now, throught the process of evolution our place on the top of the food chain has made us very proud of ourselves. This pride on it's own developes other branches, such as - dignity. Now, because of that, it's quite easy to get offended, because of something said, or not said. In other words Lying is actually a formality we use in order to sustain our strong social connections with other people. On this topic, I recommend a movie called The Invention of Lying it portraits our own society and how it would look like without the element of the lie. It's a great movie.

Hypocracy - Deriving from lying and basically the same, only in a needlessly more complicated way. As the element of pride grows in our minds every day, it becoems harder for us to express our true thoughts and feeling about something concerning someone else. So we decide to share it with the others and not the person it's actually directed towards. There are several reasons for that strange "phenomenon" to occur, fear is the most common one, though most people wouldn't admit that, so they made-up the term "gossip", so that they could have an excuse for being vaginas. We ALL do it, even subconciously and unbeknownst to us. Remember - even just sharing something with your friends and familly, regarding someone else, even if they aren't familiar with the person, it also counts as hypocritical. Nice, eh? Moving along...

Well, actually that's all I can think of right now. If you have anything to add to the list, please do. Also, if you find my understandings of the listed above wrong in anyway, feel free to discuss it in the comments section, although I doubt this thread will have a lot of views and answers and sCHtuff, because basically it's not a discussion, it's more of a... lesson, I dunno, you decide for yourself. That's all from me, for now, see you suckers tomorrow when I have a look at what you've answered :)

P.S. Ah, there's one thing I forgot to add - Morality is something human and should not be looked upon as some "devine" rule or whatever, because the existance of such a force is still arguable! So! If you plan on saying something along the lines of "Well god told us to blah blah blah", I suggest you just leave! This discussion is for intelligent people, who shall discuss human nature, not DEVINE nature. So forget the laws of your god, please, for a moment and just discuss! Thank you!

P.P.S. I am not trying to offend anybody, or anybody's religion, but please - no dimwitted posts! Thank you, again!
 

BonsaiK

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I think a thread like this can only end in tears because everyone has their own unique moral compass, therefore any debate or discussion on moral issues like these will never have a finite resolution.

Oh, and anyone believing that theft and possession is some kind of "thought construct" should feel free to PM me their credit card details.
 

Dags90

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BonsaiK said:
I think a thread like this can only end in tears because everyone has their own unique moral compass, therefore any debate or discussion on moral issues like these will never have a finite resolution.
Yeah, that Human Nature could be explained in full in a single forum post is pretty ridiculous. Whether or not it would be good for us to know everything about human nature is itself a debatable topic.

I also don't get how the OP can tout sex as free when there are such things as prostitutes.
 

Littlee300

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dathwampeer said:
Pretty much what the others are saying. Morality is subjective. One man's code of honour is another man's list of no-no's. It's too complex of an issue to sum up 1 thread. No matter how well thought out it might have been.
Is every post you make says that something is subjective?

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Well since you are so interested in subject it seems din0 you should try to become a psychologist. :p
 

TriggerUnhappy

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Uh... that's cool and all, though you seem to be pointing out the obvious here. (or maybe that's just me?) Plus, as already stated, one's views on these things are subjective.

Was this intended to assist any aliens trying to blend into human society?
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zehydra

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We know that it's common in human nature. The point of morality and law is contain and restrain human nature.
 

n00beffect

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Littlee300 said:
dathwampeer said:
Well since you are so interested in subject it seems din0 you should try to become a psychologist. :p
Well thank you, Little300, I take that as a compliment, or maybe as a "learn more about human nature, you dumb a#$!" XD In any case, I was thinking of studdieng it and still am ;d

On topic: The whole "explaining the ENTIRE human nature in one topic" thing, I wasn't aiming for that, I was just trying to explain SOME OF IT, to SOME people that have no idea of what it means to be human. The name of the thread is just an eye-catcher, like most of the threads have around here.
 

Giest4life

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The fuck is this thread about? You do realize that you are summarizing something that CANNOT by put in this fashion. EVERYTHING you have put in that list can, and is contradicted somewhere else.

The fuck, honestly. My mind is blown away.
 

Littlee300

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dathwampeer said:
Littlee300 said:
dathwampeer said:
Pretty much what the others are saying. Morality is subjective. One man's code of honour is another man's list of no-no's. It's too complex of an issue to sum up 1 thread. No matter how well thought out it might have been.
Is every post you make says that something is subjective?

Well since you are so interested in subject it seems din0 you should try to become a psychologist. :p
Only on topics that are subjective... it's one of my favourite words :p

And did you just call me din0?

Also when was the last time I said. I know I say it a lot on these wishy washy discussions when there's no real answer. But the last one of them wasn't too recent was it?
Din0 is the OP, sorry for the bad organization. :p Whenever I use the word 'subjective' in my social study debates I am just ignoring probably because no one knows what I am talking about xD

Escapist is way better for debates anyways then school :)
 

Bon_Clay

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zehydra said:
We know that it's common in human nature. The point of morality and law is contain and restrain human nature.
This. Anyone who cares enough to know why humans do what they do find it out quite easily. But we still live in societies with one another and have to live under their customs and rules.

Just as the nature of animals changed over time to better adapt to surroundings, so does society as a whole change to keep individuals functioning together smoothly.

It would probably be nice if most people looked into this sort of stuff, as insight into why you do what you do can help you control it I find. But some people just aren't in a mindset where they care and would rather focus on other things.
 

Littlee300

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Giest4life said:
The fuck is this thread about? You do realize that you are summarizing something that CANNOT by put in this fashion. EVERYTHING you have put in that list can, and is contradicted somewhere else.
Read the post above you
Giest4life said:
The fuck, honestly. My mind is blown away.
Eh pretentious but you bring light to a good point.
 

snow

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I've written something like this for my own personal sake of ventilation, but it all comes down to this.

Morals are virtual. Each person takes and chooses which are true to them and them alone, but a lot of this stuff we talk about when it comes to morals are things we are just brought up and taught against doing so that way we are able to survive as a whole community.

There is a movie out there called "The Road" or something like that, that takes place in a post-apocalyptic setting where the son constantly questions the morals of his father and the people they come across, even though the father knows that what they may be doing is wrong, it is mandatory in order to survive.

Which is all it really comes down to when you think about it. Think about the morals you may or may not be holding true to yourself right now, and think about what would go out the window when your placed in a situation where survival is key.

The Hills have Eyes is also a good one, one of the main characters is presented as a person who, even though he smokes behind his girlfriend/fiance's back, would never touch a gun and isn't the type for violence. You really get to see his character change when put in a situation where he and his family's lives are at stake.

The Sandman from the third Spiderman movie is a perfect example of this, from what I know of him anyway. (Don't read comic books myself.) He seems like an okay kind of guy, who would normally have morals that match ours, but they have changed due to the fact that he needs money for his sick son/daughter? (Been a while since I watched the movie now that I think of it.)

This of course doesn't really hold true in all situations, there are things that people do that make people wonder "Why would they ever do that? Why would they ever do that to something/someone?"

In a majority of those situations, it really comes down to just how tuned that person was to the morals we have built over the years as a society. They program us with this stuff, so that way we remain civil, and they constantly strive to push our morals one way or the other, adding from it or taking it away as they see fit.


Is it bad to have morals? Of course not, it's nice to walk down the street without having to worry if the majority of the people around me are trying to kill me, but morals do have their bad side as well...

Those that have super strict morals can be just as bad as those with none at all... Those with power and immoral values that try to make those values moral to those that are under them (Happens a LOT!) Not to mention those that make it a habit to push their morals on other people.

A lot of what the OP said is indeed true, they are things that have happened and will always continue to happen, and will always be looked at as bad because they are things that we were brought up against doing. Though don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we should be going out causing havoc or anything of that sort.

There's a lot that I could say, and have yet to say when it comes to this sort of topic, but I feel like I posted enough for now.
 

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I'll believe this IF, BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, you can disprove God for me.
If there is no god, then you are right. What you said would be true, and sex would be just sex whether there is consent or not, murder would be just the way things work, etc. However, if there IS a god, then he probably wants to be master of all he surveys, and his laws are what becomes morality. Note: I could be referring to Cthulhu for all I care, or even Brahman.

And no, Hawking's explanation makes no sense whatsoever. "God doesn't exist because he's not necessary for the universe to function"? Lots of things exist that aren't necessary. Many of which we make ourselves. Who's to say that the laws of physics weren't written BY the one who made the universe? THEORETICAL physicists can't know anything about what they predict, only to make it as plausible as possible. Hawking's hypothesis is plausible, at least to non-supernaturalists, but not proven by any stretch. It's also plausible that there are intelligent, space-faring extraterrestrials do in fact exist, but we haven't proven a thing so far so the jury is, soundly, out. We cannot say that just because we don't KNOW whether something exists, that this anonymity is in fact PROOF that it does/doesn't exist.
 

Tarranium

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This is one of the best Ive seen could you make somekinda thread about raging kids in video games or politics you see Im am interested in politics and Id like to know more about the politics of USA thank you!
 

Skorpyo

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Sex is FREE!?

OT: Interesting perspective, but poor discussion value. Have a fine day, sir.
 

Free Thinker

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Human Nature in itself is irrational and follows no set pattern. That's why there is no set definition and set human mental machinations. But to each their own.
 

snow

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Nieroshai said:
I'll believe this IF, BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, you can disprove God for me.
If there is no god, then you are right. What you said would be true, and sex would be just sex whether there is consent or not, murder would be just the way things work, etc. However, if there IS a god, then he probably wants to be master of all he surveys, and his laws are what becomes morality. Note: I could be referring to Cthulhu for all I care, or even Brahman.

And no, Hawking's explanation makes no sense whatsoever. "God doesn't exist because he's not necessary for the universe to function"? Lots of things exist that aren't necessary. Many of which we make ourselves. Who's to say that the laws of physics weren't written BY the one who made the universe? THEORETICAL physicists can't know anything about what they predict, only to make it as plausible as possible. Hawking's hypothesis is plausible, at least to non-supernaturalists, but not proven by any stretch. It's also plausible that there are intelligent, space-faring extraterrestrials do in fact exist, but we haven't proven a thing so far so the jury is, soundly, out. We cannot say that just because we don't KNOW whether something exists, that this anonymity is in fact PROOF that it does/doesn't exist.
I had thought about talking about religion in the post I made just prior to yours, but decided to leave it out for the sake of headaches. While I feel that any person is allowed to believe in whatever religion they so choose, you ask us, (or the OP for that matter,) to disprove god for you. Instead of disproving God to you, would you be able to prove God to us?

You say state that if there was no God, sex is sex and murder would just be the casual, which implies that through the morals taught by God and religious voices passed down through churches, that these are things that you shouldn't be doing.

On the other hand though, throughout history, there are many cases where people societies have gone to war in the name of God and their religion. Which is sort of what I was touching on when I was talking about those in power passing their immoral values onto those below them.

You say that if there was no God, these immoral acts would be the norm, but really if you think about it, these immoral acts are kept at bay due to law, and those that enforce the law by teaching these laws to people and explaining the consequences of breaking said laws.

Religion plays an important part of passing morals throughout society, but it's important to keep in mind that there have been things that have happened in the past in the name of religion that would be deemed immoral today, heck, there are even things that happen today in the name of religion that can be easily deemed as immoral.

No one can disprove God for you, because you choose to believe in God, those beliefs are untouchable because they are true to you as a person. It comes down to what I've said in the post above me about those that push their morals onto others. That's what you'd be asking me to do, and therefore I choose not to. It is something that I need not do.
 

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Yeah we can be violent, fuck around, lie, cheat, steal, and then contradict ourselves, but were smarter than the rest. It's our job to set the standard. Just because we can be assholes doesn't mean we must.