Humans: Are we evil?

[SilentCom]

People have been debating this forever. First ask yourself if it is correct to assume all human beings are subject to the same conditions upon birth and environment. The answer is clearly no. Look around you at the world you live in. Do people commit evil deeds? Yes. Do people commit good deeds? Also yes. Your answer seems to be somewhere between. The best solution isn't to judge the whole of humanity.

Also, as far as the millgram electric shock experiment went, not everyone (at least in the original experiment) were willing to go all the way and were often uncomfortable administering the electric shocks.

 

[Carbonyl]

We're not evil, and we're not good. We just have very, very poor judgement.

 

[Asuka Soryu]

But I digress, I never intended to change your belief, I merely felt like sharing my own. :3

Naaaaaah, it's impossible for me to change my beliefs without application of strong alcoholic beverages, so don't worry.

I am curious about this :

Just the balance of the world. There is no light without dark and vice versa. How about a person who's dreams are granted? Out of sheer luck, they're right there at the right moment and get what they want?

Then - if i understand correctly - it is completely possible for some people to suffer whole life, while other seem to be born in and never leave land of happiness ?
I guess so. I mean - come on, there's no denying that there's no equality, that some people are "cursed" from the day they were born to the end. So, we have serious issue of injustice here that gave birth to thinking like this :

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Everything would be fine if any given human would have to bear his share of pain AND also enjoy equal amount of happiness, but life doesn't work that way.
I think that truth is a little closer to Islam or maybe some Hindu traditions that are presenting the world as nothing more than "theatre" with us being only actors playing their role.

I don't count on changing your beliefs (maybe-not-so-similar reasons like mine i guess, but still) with my monologue, but i'd be happy for igniting even a little spark of doubt in that thinking of yours.

Well, sorry to dissapoint you, but that hasn't changed a thing for me. And no, you've compleately misunderstood. I said there's a mixture. It's truely impossible to never suffer, but I disbelieve that there's anyone who's led a full life of nothing of good, where nothing good was ever there, no one gave a damn, the world constantly abused them, they were born broken and only got worse and worse and worse, with nothing EVER good happening, not even a bit of good in any form.

Life is like a test, you're earning your way. You suffer to become more, some break but others take their suffering and turn it around, making success. From working hard to break free of proverty and to live a life of happiness you can now share.

We merely earn are admittance to Heaven, as humans have already prooved that they're bad at listening and if handed everything to them, they lose any care for rules.

Heaven is a reward for the humans who disprove that they are hate filled, evil creatures.

I think it shows that humans aren't really worth it. We harm, maim, disobey, lie, cheat, steal. If God really didn't care for us he'd surely have killed us all off. What entertainment do we propose? Would an almighty being need entertainment? Boredom is something that affects us. Truely, assuming that god lets us suffer for amusement is to proclaim him as a human. As humans are greatly known for watching others suffer and enjoy it. Look at video games, we find it fun to shoot down people.

Comedy? We love it when someone's hurt in a comical fashion. Evil is stemmed from the one thing he gaves us. Free will. For we choose to fall down the path of evil.

God merely watches, hoping you will take your free will and use it to proove you're not evil but good.

His reward for prooving yourself is to end pain, to end all these problems. But most people look at life like it's the one and only thing. Like reading a book halfway, quitting after all the horrible parts, only to skip the chapters when it takes a turn.

Evil is merely from the hands of the devil and humans. Though, it's not truely the devil who forms evil. He merely guides humans down said path.

A lot of people would say that it's right to kill a murderer. But does that not makes us fall to their level? Yet, not many would think that. Humans have the abillity to be sick and twisted, yes this life is tough, but don't think God's the one who you can blame for everything. Humans are the ones who 'cause a lot of this shit to happen. Even spreading disease. But of course, it's much easier to say God's not their or he doesn't care or he's evil, rather then admit that humans are a fucking disgrace, but as you can see we as humans have been getting better. From the days when murder, rape and violence was okay to the days when we finally stopped that shit and made it against the law.

Humans have free will, evil is something we're not suppose to do, but we have free will. So we don't have to 'obey' such principles.


And I quote: "God never said life would be easy, he just said he'd be there with you"

This got me the most: A man and Jesus are walking in the sand, they leave behind 4 prints(2 for the both of them). Later on the man notices only a single pair of footprints and asks Jesus why he wasn't their in that part of life. Jesus replys: "I have always been there" the man then asked why there was only a single set of prints, Jesus then replyed: "That is because when you were sick and tired, I would carry you"

God never leaves you, you just never see him because you focus on all the bad. Who are we to cry fowl when we think God has abandoned us? We've proven that we'll easily abandon him at the sign of hardship.

 

[Chase Yojimbo]

Everyone is Evil. Everyone is Good. Evil wars against Good, and Good wars against Evil. But when we question "What is Evil?" we have to question "What is Good?". When you answer that, you already know the answer. You grew up with the answer. Now try to answer it as if you never grew up with values. Answer it as if you have no base understanding of what Right and Wrong is. Now tell me, what are these answers?

That question is impossible to answer, because there is no answer. We are both Good and Evil, in fact, we are Human (Shocking!). The false answer is we already know what is Good and Evil, because the Dominant Culture demands what is Right and Wrong using Sanctions to control our beliefs. The true answer is non-existent, because in that case, Culture doesn't exist, and thus cannot control any believes, however nonexistent they may be.

 

[JesterRaiin]

Well, sorry to dissapoint you, but that hasn't changed a thing for me. And no, you've compleately misunderstood. I said there's a mixture. It's truely impossible to never suffer, but I disbelieve that there's anyone who's led a full life of nothing of good, where nothing good was ever there, no one gave a damn, the world constantly abused them, they were born broken and only got worse and worse and worse, with nothing EVER good happening, not even a bit of good in any form.

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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20080105/0013729e451808e9b8c12a.jpg

...you mean, occasional, shiny trinket found in a pile of garbage should be considered sign of mixture, positiveness, goodness and God's protection ?

Life is like a test, you're earning your way. You suffer to become more, some break but others take their suffering and turn it around, making success. From working hard to break free of proverty and to live a life of happiness you can now share.

Warning, disturbing content !
No, really disturbing.

Spoiler

http://sp2.fotolog.com/photo/50/53/57/johannkrieger/1246578643435_f.jpg

So, after seeing this photo, and reading something about Bhopal's tragedy, please remind me - what was earned, and where's this mixture, because it somewhat eludes me...

 

[JamesStone]

We are born with a set of flaws and qualities that make us more susceptible to do certain actions that are considered "good", "evil" or "neutral" by today´s society. No one is born with a set of "karma points" and their personal ideias of morality are developed by their experiences and said set of flaws/qualities.

 

[bulldogftw]

We are all evil to some people, it all depends on what you think is evil.

 

[idodo35]

unfortunatly most people are in fact evil but not all of them are (just most...)

 

[tkioz]

Morality is a fluid thing, not fixed, it's simply a convention shared by the majority of people on what is and isn't a good or evil act, as such humanity is neither, it simply is. Morality exists to enable society, and society exists to promote the survival of the human race.

Things we consider evil now were once considered moral and righteous, example, almost everyone finds the idea of beating (not spanking, full on beating) children abhorrent, yet just a few centuries ago the idea of not beating a child would be considered child abuse, because beatings were considered "good" for you.

Slavery was once considered an every day part of life, now it's consider an evil.

There is no natural good or evil, only what we as people make.