Humble Indie Bundle #3 Makes a Million Dollars

[Marudas]

Here I figured over 1 million PC gamers would step up and donate at least a dollar.

The avg. donation was (for 216,144 bundles) $4.78? Where are you PC gamers hiding?

It was too much work to pay a cent, so they pirated it, therefore not factoring into the equation.

No but really, as a PC Gamer, it makes me happy to know the Indie crowd is receiving the support they rightly deserve from the community.

Giving you the slow clap, since paying only 1 cent would do more harm than good.

I'm not advocating that people pay a cent. Just lamenting that even though its an option, people would rather turn to piracy.

You're saying people resorted to piracy instead of paying one cent, with the later doing more harm than good.[footnote]Not advocating piracy, just pointing out the flaw in this logic[/footnote]

Its not a flaw in my logic...I'm arguing that these people have two options and are morally bankrupt by pursuing one, regardless that the alternative is just as harmful. I'm not saying paying one cent isn't harmful. I'm only analyzing that from the perspective of a potential pirate, one cent is an insurmountable barrier and it speaks to their character. I don't look at them as trying to do as much harm as possible and breaking down which of the options is more damaging, that's (generally) not their motivation. I'm looking at these people and noticing that ANY cost to themselves is apparently unacceptable to them.

 

[GeorgW]

You gotta love PC gamers sometimes. I haven't actually bought it because the games don't interest me that much (I've already bought the ones I'm interested in) and I would feel guilty not paying my due.

 

[Marudas]

Here I figured over 1 million PC gamers would step up and donate at least a dollar.

The avg. donation was (for 216,144 bundles) $4.78? Where are you PC gamers hiding?

It was too much work to pay a cent, so they pirated it, therefore not factoring into the equation.

No but really, as a PC Gamer, it makes me happy to know the Indie crowd is receiving the support they rightly deserve from the community.

Giving you the slow clap, since paying only 1 cent would do more harm than good.

I'm not advocating that people pay a cent. Just lamenting that even though its an option, people would rather turn to piracy.

You're saying people resorted to piracy instead of paying one cent, with the later doing more harm than good.[footnote]Not advocating piracy, just pointing out the flaw in this logic[/footnote]

They are most likely charged a fee for each CC and PayPal. With PayPal I think that fee is .30 a transaction and 3% of the total amount. Paying them a penny could possibly cost them money. How they manage to work out that they made so much if this is actually happening is beyond me.
But I am so glad you took advantage to get in the generalization that PC gamers are pirates. Bravo. And in a topic that has nothing to do with piracy at all.

While Qwerty's reading comprehension leaves a little bit to be desired in discerning the meaning of my argument (see my previous post), it was me who brought up the topic of piracy here, I admit. Though I'm not "Generalizing" anyone. The article already clearly shows that PC gamers are capable of great acts of charity. Being a PC gamer myself i'm happy with it, but i was responding to someone sarcastically about the fact that he expected more people to pay pittances to get the games by acknowledging that some of the PC gamer base are morally bankrupt enough that any cost to themselves is too much for them. It does us no favors to ignore the corrupt part of our community and pretend it doesn't exist.

 

[Moriarty]

You know guys, morality isn't really involved in this. Some people are offering stuff for 1c, some people want to accept their offer, some people want togive more. It's perfectly ok to pay 1c if you want to.

 

[coldfrog]

Har har har, 4096. Nerdy numbers woo.
Anyways, I'm always pleased to see these game makers show their true colors by saying "I want you to play my game, and even if you're having trouble affording it, I'm going to give you this chance." I'd've gotten it if I A: had money right now and B: didn't have all the games I wanted in that pile.

 

[poppabaggins]

Here I figured over 1 million PC gamers would step up and donate at least a dollar.

The avg. donation was (for 216,144 bundles) $4.78? Where are you PC gamers hiding?

It was too much work to pay a cent, so they pirated it, therefore not factoring into the equation.

No but really, as a PC Gamer, it makes me happy to know the Indie crowd is receiving the support they rightly deserve from the community.

Well, you're also missing the option where I just don't give a damn about this indie bundle. I've already bought all the indie games that interest me. So I'm not buying this bundle, nor am I pirating it. Not all PC gamers are pirates, and it's your kind of thinking that makes publishers put draconian drm in their games, harming paying customers.

 

[Marudas]

Here I figured over 1 million PC gamers would step up and donate at least a dollar.

The avg. donation was (for 216,144 bundles) $4.78? Where are you PC gamers hiding?

It was too much work to pay a cent, so they pirated it, therefore not factoring into the equation.

No but really, as a PC Gamer, it makes me happy to know the Indie crowd is receiving the support they rightly deserve from the community.

Giving you the slow clap, since paying only 1 cent would do more harm than good.

I'm not advocating that people pay a cent. Just lamenting that even though its an option, people would rather turn to piracy.

You're saying people resorted to piracy instead of paying one cent, with the later doing more harm than good.[footnote]Not advocating piracy, just pointing out the flaw in this logic[/footnote]

Its not a flaw in my logic...I'm arguing that these people have two options and are morally bankrupt by pursuing one, regardless that the alternative is just as harmful. I'm not saying paying one cent isn't harmful. I'm only analyzing that from the perspective of a potential pirate, one cent is an insurmountable barrier and it speaks to their character. I don't look at them as trying to do as much harm as possible and breaking down which of the options is more damaging, that's (generally) not their motivation. I'm looking at these people and noticing that ANY cost to themselves is apparently unacceptable to them.

Here I figured over 1 million PC gamers would step up and donate at least a dollar.

The avg. donation was (for 216,144 bundles) $4.78? Where are you PC gamers hiding?

It was too much work to pay a cent, so they pirated it, therefore not factoring into the equation.

No but really, as a PC Gamer, it makes me happy to know the Indie crowd is receiving the support they rightly deserve from the community.

Giving you the slow clap, since paying only 1 cent would do more harm than good.

I'm not advocating that people pay a cent. Just lamenting that even though its an option, people would rather turn to piracy.

You're saying people resorted to piracy instead of paying one cent, with the later doing more harm than good.[footnote]Not advocating piracy, just pointing out the flaw in this logic[/footnote]

They are most likely charged a fee for each CC and PayPal. With PayPal I think that fee is .30 a transaction and 3% of the total amount. Paying them a penny could possibly cost them money. How they manage to work out that they made so much if this is actually happening is beyond me.
But I am so glad you took advantage to get in the generalization that PC gamers are pirates. Bravo. And in a topic that has nothing to do with piracy at all.

While Qwerty's reading comprehension leaves a little bit to be desired in discerning the meaning of my argument (see my previous post), it was me who brought up the topic of piracy here, I admit. Though I'm not "Generalizing" anyone. The article already clearly shows that PC gamers are capable of great acts of charity. Being a PC gamer myself i'm happy with it, but i was responding to someone sarcastically about the fact that he expected more people to pay pittances to get the games by acknowledging that some of the PC gamer base are morally bankrupt enough that any cost to themselves is too much for them. It does us no favors to ignore the corrupt part of our community and pretend it doesn't exist.

Right, it's my reading comprehension that's at fault here even though two people in this thread can't see past the "one cent" argument.

Seriously, bravo to you two for being so sheltered it's shocking that the world has corrupt, soulless people who think about themselves and no one else.

You're bringing up an argument that is COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO THE POINT. Seriously, I'm not in league with this other guy either. Take your logic armor off for a second and listen. I used one cent as a frame of reference to make a point that these people HAVE it as an option, to only incur one cent of cost to themselves, but they wont. I'm not arguing that paying that one cent is damaging, just that its listed as an option, but people would rather steal it. They aren't avoiding the one cent option because they don't want to damage the company, they're avoiding it because its too much for them even there. Would it make you feel better if I said they could pay one dollar for it?

 

[Marudas]

Here I figured over 1 million PC gamers would step up and donate at least a dollar.

The avg. donation was (for 216,144 bundles) $4.78? Where are you PC gamers hiding?

It was too much work to pay a cent, so they pirated it, therefore not factoring into the equation.

No but really, as a PC Gamer, it makes me happy to know the Indie crowd is receiving the support they rightly deserve from the community.

Well, you're also missing the option where I just don't give a damn about this indie bundle. I've already bought all the indie games that interest me. So I'm not buying this bundle, nor am I pirating it. Not all PC gamers are pirates, and it's your kind of thinking that makes publishers put draconian drm in their games, harming paying customers.

Uh...what? So by acknowledging the very real fact that piracy exists, you accuse me of...accusing everyone that didn't buy the game of being a pirate? Please stop being ridiculous. The original poster was wondering where all the people paying one dollar war, and i was making a quip that many of them probably found one dollar to be too expensive. No, this doesn't mean that every person ever who hasn't bought it pirated it. Any other comments you'd care to take personal offense to?

 

[vansau]

If I cared to play any of these indy games, I would be one of the people who would pay one cent.

Why? One, I hate indy games and indy developers. Every single one of them seems to be an overrated little game everyone justifies with "But they had so little money to work with!" which doesn't translate to a good game. Two, when someone is given the option to pay how much they see fit for an item, there always seems to be some sort of stigmata for the people who pay the bare minimum. Apparently "Pay how much you like!" actually means "Pay how much you like, but it has to be above 3 dollars or you become the scum of the Earth in the eyes of everyone around you."

The irony in this situation is that the indy developers are supposed to be the developers who "Totally don't care about the money, dude, and just want everyone to have fun, man!" when the so called "fans" of these developers get their panties in a twist when someone doesn't give them that much money.

Someone in this forum had to take a stand for the sensible people.

You're aware the word is stigma, not stigmata, right?

 

[Andy Chalk]

some sort of stigmata

You should get that looked at.

And trying to defend paying a penny for the HIB3 is just pathetic.

 

[Marudas]

*Sigh* Somehow I'm now "defending paying a penny" for this.

Fine, you people can believe whatever you want to believe and say what ever you want to say. Perhaps this would have gone a different direction if i said "Would rather pirate the game than pay a dollar for it."

I own and have paid for many indie games, including Minecraft, Terraria, and recently, altitude. I love the indie community and would like to see them make as much money as possible. The point of my argument was a lamentation of people who would rather pay no money than any money, and was unrelated to the fact that paying minimal amounts of money is damaging to the developers.

But that's about as much of the internet as I can take for today, so good day gentlemen.


Lastly: The founders of Childs play themselves have quoted as much (about a different charity bundle). http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/pa-the-series/120/ Starts about one minute into the video. The quote is about 3 minutes and 25 seconds in- "Mike: You could have paid a dollar. Jerry: or a penny!" What they speak about up to that point is all that I was driving at. (Warning: The video may contain PG13 content otherwise.)

 

[Slick Samurai]

If I cared to play any of these indy games, I would be one of the people who would pay one cent.

Why? One, I hate indy games and indy developers. Every single one of them seems to be an overrated little game everyone justifies with "But they had so little money to work with!" which doesn't translate to a good game. Two, when someone is given the option to pay how much they see fit for an item, there always seems to be some sort of stigmata for the people who pay the bare minimum. Apparently "Pay how much you like!" actually means "Pay how much you like, but it has to be above 3 dollars or you become the scum of the Earth in the eyes of everyone around you."

The irony in this situation is that the indy developers are supposed to be the developers who "Totally don't care about the money, dude, and just want everyone to have fun, man!" when the so called "fans" of these developers get their panties in a twist when someone doesn't give them that much money.

Someone in this forum had to take a stand for the sensible people.

You're aware the word is stigma, not stigmata, right?

You never know, I could be being overly dramatic. Crucified by a bunch of hipsters. Quite the metaphor.

 

[Your Nightmare]

I'm still feeling a lot of hate even though no-one has directly mentioned my name.. :x
At least I can say I contributed towards this $1,000,000 [:


[Christ, don't take this seriously - I'm not up for having my inbox flooded again..]

 

[lacktheknack]

I'm still feeling a lot of hate even though no-one has directly mentioned my name.. :x
At least I can say I contributed towards this $1,000,000 [:


[Christ, don't take this seriously - I'm not up for having my inbox flooded again..]

FLOODING YOUR INBOX FLOODING YOUR INBOX

OT: This thread went downhill. Fast.

 

[JezebelinHell]

Here I figured over 1 million PC gamers would step up and donate at least a dollar.

The avg. donation was (for 216,144 bundles) $4.78? Where are you PC gamers hiding?

It was too much work to pay a cent, so they pirated it, therefore not factoring into the equation.

No but really, as a PC Gamer, it makes me happy to know the Indie crowd is receiving the support they rightly deserve from the community.

Giving you the slow clap, since paying only 1 cent would do more harm than good.

I'm not advocating that people pay a cent. Just lamenting that even though its an option, people would rather turn to piracy.

You're saying people resorted to piracy instead of paying one cent, with the later doing more harm than good.[footnote]Not advocating piracy, just pointing out the flaw in this logic[/footnote]

They are most likely charged a fee for each CC and PayPal. With PayPal I think that fee is .30 a transaction and 3% of the total amount. Paying them a penny could possibly cost them money. How they manage to work out that they made so much if this is actually happening is beyond me.
But I am so glad you took advantage to get in the generalization that PC gamers are pirates. Bravo. And in a topic that has nothing to do with piracy at all.

And now you've pissed me off. Where did I take advantage of the generalization that PC gamers are pirates? Your reading comprehension is at fault here, as my point of the posts was to point out that what he suggested is that instead of paying one cent, which does more harm than good, people pirated it. Now, who cost more money to the cause: the pirate who stole games from off-site, or the person who payed a single cent?

You didn't generalize PC gamers, you are correct. I was agreeing with you. Just quoted the last damn post in the debate. There was no point to Marudas making the generalization that the PC users were pirating the game period. I don't give a shit about what amount of money he put into that statement, it is a generalization that didn't belong in the thread. I figured that your point was that the people paying a penny were costing them money and pointed out what I know about the charges associated with making payments to point out that yep, paying a penny is kind of fucked up. Now, I am off to deal with real life again, sorry about the confusion.

 

[poppabaggins]

Here I figured over 1 million PC gamers would step up and donate at least a dollar.

The avg. donation was (for 216,144 bundles) $4.78? Where are you PC gamers hiding?

It was too much work to pay a cent, so they pirated it, therefore not factoring into the equation.

No but really, as a PC Gamer, it makes me happy to know the Indie crowd is receiving the support they rightly deserve from the community.

Well, you're also missing the option where I just don't give a damn about this indie bundle. I've already bought all the indie games that interest me. So I'm not buying this bundle, nor am I pirating it. Not all PC gamers are pirates, and it's your kind of thinking that makes publishers put draconian drm in their games, harming paying customers.

Uh...what? So by acknowledging the very real fact that piracy exists, you accuse me of...accusing everyone that didn't buy the game of being a pirate? Please stop being ridiculous. The original poster was wondering where all the people paying one dollar war, and i was making a quip that many of them probably found one dollar to be too expensive. No, this doesn't mean that every person ever who hasn't bought it pirated it. Any other comments you'd care to take personal offense to?

Your words are "they pirated it" in response to the question "Where are you PC gamers hiding?". I interpreted your words exactly as they were written.