Humble Origin Bundle Breaks $5 Million
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<link=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.825489-So-I-got-Origin-from-EA-A-Review-Image-Heavy>I wouldn't be so sure about that Origin comment.slash2x said:
OT: It warms the temporarily doused cockles of my heart to see that, while a ton of endlessly unnerving people are trying to paint this as something insidious and evil, there's still so much money flowing to those charities. Way to go, EA!
^^^Exactly this.^^^Andy Shandy said:
I have been made a happy gamer (and other escapistic aspects) by Humble Bundle many a time, and was card in hand ready to get this deal too and help (as a great side-effect) some good charities... until I read that you would STILL need their respective digital distributions to get them or play them.
Wankers indeed.
A) It's another distribution platform. People don't want to switch from Steam and have to deal with 2 separate platforms. They want all their stuff in one easy place. And the way that EA split from Steam, including taking their games off of Steam, made people unhappy.mygocarp said:
B) In the beginning (and to this day for some people, although the same can be said for Steam) it was a completely unusable mess that constantly crashed and caused more hassle than it's worth. It slowed computers down and was seen as a pointless obvious cash grab by EA.
C) It was made by the company voted two years in a row as the worst company in America in an online poll. Haters, as they say, will hate.
mygocarp said:
alfinchkid said:
Annnnnnd it like to scan everything on your system, will not let you opt out of that scan whenever it feels like it and will not let you FULLY shut it off like spyware [http://www.destructoid.com/ea-s-origin-may-be-glorified-spyware-causes-mass-upset-209745.phtml]
...So you don't have Steam either? It takes the same information.slash2x said:
Same with any anti-virus. Those things specifically scan ALL the files on your computer! WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF CONSUMER PRIVACY?
Also, there are options to turn off data collection in Origin, and as much as I know you hate this, they ACTUALLY DO follow through with those options. You know, so they don't get sued by everyone.
My only problem with Origin is that they rarely (never?) have any significant sales. Even now, the 'Deals' section contains 4 Pre-Orders and OMG Free shipping on orders >$25!! (for a limited time. On a digital distribution platform. Riiiiiiiiiiiight). As a consumer, I'm willing to put up with reasonable DRM (which, let's be honest, is basically equivalent between steam and origin) as long as I don't have to pay full retail price for it.
EA needs to figure out whether it wants Origin to be a digital PC store front or an EA store front, because I'm getting sick and tired of seeing NHL games on sale only to find out I need to buy a console then wait 5-7 business days for shipping.CharlesCarmichael said:
Tut tut tut they have the EULA [http://www.nerdbuster.com/2011/09/eas-origin-wants-to-scan-your-pc-and-invade-your-privacy/] that lets them scan everything on your entire hard drive like spyware. By installing the software you agreed to it too. So no lawsuits for them you agreed to let them open your computer and shake it for the data that falls out. You can NEVER turn those options fully off, the EULA you panned over specifically states that too.lacktheknack said:
http://www.gamesthirst.com/2011/08/27/ea-scandal-continues-revises-origin-eula-still-will-scan-your-computer-for-all-personal-information/
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=450660
Mr Sterling says it best <a href="http://www.destructoid.com/ea-s-origin-may-be-glorified-spyware-causes-mass-upset-209745.phtml
">and rather clearly
OK, so they have information on which games I have (because I simply do not buy that they're reading my documents, that's beyond stupid).slash2x said:
...Now what?
A whole lot of nothing will now happen. They're not going to sell the info they got, because it's not useful to anyone but themselves. The only major advertising they do on the Origin platform is... other EA products. They don't have any use for the other things the EULA allows them to scan for beyond optimization (which, again, Steam reads these as well). Etc.
The principal of the thing gets neutered by the details.
It probably doesn't hurt that I care less and less about consumer privacy the more I learn about how the internet works and how much we're being observed anyways. If people ACTUALLY gave care about their privacy, the first thing they'd do would be taking a sledgehammer to their computers. "Privacy" has been reduced to a buzzword, and I really can't be assed about it anymore.
I like the fact that I got 2 keys for each of the steam games, so Crysis 2 etc are now on both of my PC'sfix-the-spade said:
OT: Seriously a great move by EA, I hope they continue improving as they definitely need to get their priorities in straight.
This appears for real. I'm downloading Dead Space 3 right now. I'm very surprised. This is a great package and I was near certain I was going to be ripped off. I figured it was worth a charitable contribution to find out for sure.
Now I have to tell friends.
Now I have to tell friends.
lacktheknack said:
So your argument is that you just do not personally believe EA would do something they POINTEDLY refuse to remove from their EULA?????
You started this conversation by linking a post that you SPECIFICALLY said you did not read the EULA..... Might want to do that in the future.
Origin says with will scan all of your hardware, including your hard drive contents and any attached media..... Left your camera on a dock? EA looked at your pictures.
Section 2 Paragraph 2
The CLOSEST thing Steam say they will scan your SPECS and the software THEY install.http://eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/EULA_Origin_PC_ROW.final.5.24.13.pdf said:
Section 2 subsection A paragraph 2
http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/ said:
No by definition the principle is made up of the details.
You are not concerned with your privacy at all, and think that you can only protect yourself by destroying your system?.......Same thought process. I am not worried about crashing my car, but the only way to prevent crashes is to set it on fire and walk.......
I am done here...... There is nothing I can talk with you about this that would matter. Enjoy Origin and best of luck to you. I am not going to respond to this conversation anymore. There is no point.
This is a pretty cool thing, here's some spare codes if anyone wants. Quote if you grabbed one so people know.
Crysis 2 Maximum (steam) BVLU-8U2H-ER4G-WX7G-GETG
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Dead space 1 (origin) CAV5-9BBZ-6MA8-2MMK-ZHR2
Burnout Paradise (origin) 3CQG-AFBY-N8PG-GXZQ-N3FX
Crysis 2 (origin) F9ZH-GRZL-S8RM-TUNB-PSJL
Dead Space 3 (origin) 7PEE-7TDV-6XTS-Q3BM-M9JH
MoH (origin) 4FFF-9AD2-YEUF-J9MM-P44N
Mirrors Edge (origin) GBWE-GNL6-98PG-9A92-HUQQ
----
The Sims 3
BVLU-8U2H-ER4G-WX7G-GETG for the main game
2DPP-AV67-99D9-MSX8-R4ZV and 2LHR-X24L-M3FN-JDU8-GSZL for the DLC.
And that's all folks.
Crysis 2 Maximum (steam) BVLU-8U2H-ER4G-WX7G-GETG
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Dead space 1 (origin) CAV5-9BBZ-6MA8-2MMK-ZHR2
Burnout Paradise (origin) 3CQG-AFBY-N8PG-GXZQ-N3FX
Crysis 2 (origin) F9ZH-GRZL-S8RM-TUNB-PSJL
Dead Space 3 (origin) 7PEE-7TDV-6XTS-Q3BM-M9JH
MoH (origin) 4FFF-9AD2-YEUF-J9MM-P44N
Mirrors Edge (origin) GBWE-GNL6-98PG-9A92-HUQQ
----
The Sims 3
BVLU-8U2H-ER4G-WX7G-GETG for the main game
2DPP-AV67-99D9-MSX8-R4ZV and 2LHR-X24L-M3FN-JDU8-GSZL for the DLC.
And that's all folks.
I need to get a larger hard drive. I've used about 4/5 of my 1 TB. A 2 TB should do me for this generation.slash2x said:
Where possible, I'm using Steam. Others I'm putting on Origin's Ap.
EDIT: What are some of the best deals you've gotten previously? I can't believe they're typically this good.
Are you able to do this because, if you use one app's key, the other can still be used by another person? Thanks in advance for any advice.TheEvilCheese said:
I know you said that you weren't responding to this conversation any more, but I know people like you, you're coming back to lurk and see how foolish we all are. So allow me to respond to some of your more ridicoulous claims, and feel free to respond to me, showing how foolish I am. If you can.
No. They scan for games that you own, certain softwares (Steam and checking your Steam Library is highly likely. So are things like BitTorrent and Limewire, if we want to use your cynical look as to their spying), running applications (conflicts can happen if two programs are running at the same time, for best service they need to know where the conflicts are)and hardware drivers, which ARE software and in legal docs like a EULA they need to label as such (it's good to check if people are updating them properly).
I think you may watch too much CSI and the like, software that can scan Terabytes of pictures doesn't work like that, and the closest we actually have is so ridiculously expensive that TRYING to implement it across literally millions of computers would bankrupt them. Or are you suggesting EA pay people to slog through the billions of photos they would be receiving through this software?
Look at it rationally; if this software really existed, it is very likely that the FBI would be teaming up with Microsoft and/or Apple to install it with their products to catch software pirates and, far more importantly, those with child porn. Unless you're going to say that Microsoft won't let them because they're in favor of piracy and the molestation of kids. Without Irony, that is.
Read through that, what does it say? They reserve the right to collect:
+Email address and account preferences
-perfectly fine, how else can you use the bloody thing?
+IP and MAC addresses
-again, this is basically required to optimize their netcode, and to see where the major usage of their products are. This is probably the most objectionable thing here, seeing as your IP and MAC addresses can be used to track who you are, and even then, it's not really.
+Application usage
-looking for competing programs like Steam to review their competition, as well as, like I said above, running programs to asses incompatibilities. They also word this like it's more focused on Origin's application usage, not other system apps, anyway, and Origin app usage is important to get the best service out.
+Operating system, including updates, drivers, and DirectX info
-again, they need to know this system information so they have a general idea as to what kind of systems they're developing for, in order to deliver optimal experience.
+Information about your hardware including CPU information
-is this the section? The one that has your panties in a knot? Hardware information does NOT mean contents of the hard drive. It means system specs. They need system specs so that, once again, they know what kind of platform to develop for, to deliver the gamer an optimal experience.
So, out of those 5 items (denoted with a +, with explanations denoted with a -), please tell me where it says that it will scan cameras attached to your computer, or how their EULA EXPLICITLY states that it can and will scan your Word Documents. Because I'm not seeing it.
What it appears you're doing is seeing that this Android App needs to be able to see your phone call usage, so it's obviously spying on you, when all it's doing is enabling the app to interrupt for a phone call. You're looking too deep into the smallest things because you know that THEY are spying on you.
If you are plugged in to the internet, any notions of privacy whatsoever are laughable at best. The kinect was one thing having a constant camera plugged into your livingroom. However you are talking about preserving privacies that you haven't had in over a decade.
Dear God, I can't believe I spent 20 minutes writing a post defending EA and Origin. Things I do when people are wrong on the internet. I need to log off for a while and rethink my life.
Please tell us what EA has to gain from scanning documents and pictures. In my Hard drive they're going to find a lot of old college classes, half-assed pictures for a photography classes, some softcore porn, a metric shitton of memes, and my Steam library. What could the average user possibly have on their hard drives that they want to hide? Do you honestly expect us to believe they scan word documents for passwords or hints of piracy? Do you honestly expect us to believe that they look at vacation photos to see where they should make the next Dead Island take place? How about cosplay photos to advertise more things in franchises you appear to like?slash2x said:
No. They scan for games that you own, certain softwares (Steam and checking your Steam Library is highly likely. So are things like BitTorrent and Limewire, if we want to use your cynical look as to their spying), running applications (conflicts can happen if two programs are running at the same time, for best service they need to know where the conflicts are)and hardware drivers, which ARE software and in legal docs like a EULA they need to label as such (it's good to check if people are updating them properly).
I think you may watch too much CSI and the like, software that can scan Terabytes of pictures doesn't work like that, and the closest we actually have is so ridiculously expensive that TRYING to implement it across literally millions of computers would bankrupt them. Or are you suggesting EA pay people to slog through the billions of photos they would be receiving through this software?
Look at it rationally; if this software really existed, it is very likely that the FBI would be teaming up with Microsoft and/or Apple to install it with their products to catch software pirates and, far more importantly, those with child porn. Unless you're going to say that Microsoft won't let them because they're in favor of piracy and the molestation of kids. Without Irony, that is.
Please use the relevant part of the EULA when quoting how sinister they are. Oh wait, there is none? Shock, gasp! I guess you'll have to use this completely fine, irrelevant but seemingly relevant thanks to legalese, non-objectionable section that actually proves your opponent's point if they care to read it.
Read through that, what does it say? They reserve the right to collect:
+Email address and account preferences
-perfectly fine, how else can you use the bloody thing?
+IP and MAC addresses
-again, this is basically required to optimize their netcode, and to see where the major usage of their products are. This is probably the most objectionable thing here, seeing as your IP and MAC addresses can be used to track who you are, and even then, it's not really.
+Application usage
-looking for competing programs like Steam to review their competition, as well as, like I said above, running programs to asses incompatibilities. They also word this like it's more focused on Origin's application usage, not other system apps, anyway, and Origin app usage is important to get the best service out.
+Operating system, including updates, drivers, and DirectX info
-again, they need to know this system information so they have a general idea as to what kind of systems they're developing for, in order to deliver optimal experience.
+Information about your hardware including CPU information
-is this the section? The one that has your panties in a knot? Hardware information does NOT mean contents of the hard drive. It means system specs. They need system specs so that, once again, they know what kind of platform to develop for, to deliver the gamer an optimal experience.
So, out of those 5 items (denoted with a +, with explanations denoted with a -), please tell me where it says that it will scan cameras attached to your computer, or how their EULA EXPLICITLY states that it can and will scan your Word Documents. Because I'm not seeing it.
What it appears you're doing is seeing that this Android App needs to be able to see your phone call usage, so it's obviously spying on you, when all it's doing is enabling the app to interrupt for a phone call. You're looking too deep into the smallest things because you know that THEY are spying on you.
Also know that you took a quote from the wrong section on Steam. Not all EULAs are created equally, Section 2 Paragraph 2 is not where it identifies snooping privileges for software. In Steam's, the same content is (mostly, I can't find anything about IP addresses) there, simply spread throughout the page, and defined slightly more clearly. Go on, ctrl+F for Hardware; it does in fact scan your hardware for system specs and to look for cheating devices. Read the EULA please before commenting on it. Also don't go into a lawyer battle when there might be someone better at lawyer-y stuff than you. Other than an actual courtroom.
That analogy only holds up if there were dedicated "care-wrecking machines" at every intersection on the road. Your computers, tablets, and phones all have inherent things in the operating systems that invade your privacy at all hours of the day. Phones have cameras (often times two ways!) that can be activated remotely without your knowledge, as well as GPS locators and even the signal that makes it a PHONE can be used to locate you. Internet Explorer and Chrome (and I'm sure Firefox, but have no proof atm) keep track of your system specs and routinely send info back to HQ. EVERY game you have keeps tabs on your system specs for research purposes. Emails become searchable by the government, warrant-free, 180 days after they're sent. Your ISP is required by law to track your movements online, in order to curb piracy as well as other illegal activities, like child porn. Your IP address is remembered by basically EVERY website you visit. Ever. Even owning a facebook or twitter account is terrible for privacy.
If you are plugged in to the internet, any notions of privacy whatsoever are laughable at best. The kinect was one thing having a constant camera plugged into your livingroom. However you are talking about preserving privacies that you haven't had in over a decade.
Dear God, I can't believe I spent 20 minutes writing a post defending EA and Origin. Things I do when people are wrong on the internet. I need to log off for a while and rethink my life.