the worrying thing is that you teach this instinct genecticly jew and "the west"(germans)genes were exactly the same pool 2000 years before ww2 and yet even though they haven'tgot a diffrent genetic set the racism was created they dont have to be different you have to think they're different
I don't 'get' Racism...
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Racism isn't really as black and white (no pun intended) as a lot of people think it is. Very few people will actually categorize themselves as "racist."
I don't have time to go too in depth but the cliffnotes version is
is a guy in a suit.
is an example of a stereotype which is frequently reinforced
I'm literally running out the door right now so I'll leave you to fill in how various confusion can occur with differentiation and communication about the subject on your own.
I don't have time to go too in depth but the cliffnotes version is
I'm literally running out the door right now so I'll leave you to fill in how various confusion can occur with differentiation and communication about the subject on your own.
i myself am racist towards people but only if people of that race have done anything i find offencive such as muslims stereotypically get assoceated with taliban, al-quida and other terrorist orginisations but there are many i have no problem with like what have black people ever done or mexicans?? i dont get people who victimise all races but i do get people who victimise others who are against what they beleive in.
Correct me if i'm wrong, byt what you just said there sounded a lot like 'All muslims are with the Taliban, so i am racist towards them'scott RFC said:
That is what i read.
No forms of Racism are accetable.
It's because people hate different, don't believe me? Look at each time YouTube has changed it's look, mass hate.
Of course you can't understand because it is completely illogical way of thinking, racism doesn't exist since there is no other human race, the word is way misleading for its purpose. Humans only discriminate other because of their origin, this has a logic behind it, it is a primitive instinct to protect you herd from outsiders genes, keeping you DNA as the dominating factor and therefor securing you offspring.
Well, according to a magazine I read while sitting at the doctor's lobby, most racist people have generally worse education and parenting, also cultural factors are important, for an example: Japanese are generally extremely racist towards foreign people on their soil also China and North Korea, also it is common in India's religious communities, and in some African areas black people are really racist towards White people just like Jamaica, parts of the population think that white men do not deserve help or pity, that is why all the tourist areas are usually closed with gates.
I do not understand what people are supposed to achieve with racism now days, I understand if you do not want immigrants to move to your country (That includes all immigrants including those from western countries) it makes sense you want to keep your country as your own, makes sense. But what I can not understand at all is the type of racism in which people think other people are lesser beings, far as I know they are still humans.
I wish racism and discrimination would go away, but I the image I have of humanity keeps proving me that discrimination will not disappear, it will just move it's focus, there will be discrimination long as people are allowed to form their own opinion about people,
Also: something I can not stand at all is when people say only white people can be racist, that has been proven wrong LONG AGO, everyone got a seed of discrimination in them, may it be towards someone who plays some other class in a videogame or people who study some other subject that you.
Well, according to a magazine I read while sitting at the doctor's lobby, most racist people have generally worse education and parenting, also cultural factors are important, for an example: Japanese are generally extremely racist towards foreign people on their soil also China and North Korea, also it is common in India's religious communities, and in some African areas black people are really racist towards White people just like Jamaica, parts of the population think that white men do not deserve help or pity, that is why all the tourist areas are usually closed with gates.
I do not understand what people are supposed to achieve with racism now days, I understand if you do not want immigrants to move to your country (That includes all immigrants including those from western countries) it makes sense you want to keep your country as your own, makes sense. But what I can not understand at all is the type of racism in which people think other people are lesser beings, far as I know they are still humans.
I wish racism and discrimination would go away, but I the image I have of humanity keeps proving me that discrimination will not disappear, it will just move it's focus, there will be discrimination long as people are allowed to form their own opinion about people,
Also: something I can not stand at all is when people say only white people can be racist, that has been proven wrong LONG AGO, everyone got a seed of discrimination in them, may it be towards someone who plays some other class in a videogame or people who study some other subject that you.
Really? So you think everybody is 100% equal?creationis apostate said:
I wish I had your blind idealism.
OT: Racism is retarded and fuelled by retarded people, but the whole concept of "racism" is too broad, don't think people should bother giving aid to africa? Racist. You dislike someone of a different skin colour? Racist. You laugh at a racist joke? Racist.
Lighten the fuck up people.
Everyone is racist, yes OP, even you. You may not realize it, but you are and there's not really a lot you can do about it other than try to ignore it. We're a social species and as a social species we have a tribal mentality that is hardwired into our brains from 3MA of evolution.
Humans are social organism. That means we live in societies and interact with other organisms of the same species. ALL social organisms have in-groups and out-groups. Taking an ant as example, its in-group would be all the other ants that live in the same ant mound. Its out-group would be all the other ants in adjacent ant mounds.
In modern evolutionary theory there is a closely related concept called the GREEN BEARD EFFECT [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green-beard_effect]. The idea is that suppose you possessed an unusual characteristic (a green beard). If you happen to cross paths with another person possessing the same unusual characteristic, then recognizing that you share at least that trait in common you may be inclined to act more favorably toward that person. Doing so would improve your reproductive fitness with respect to that trait even if the person is not closely related to you genetically.
When it comes to survival, humans as an omnivorous species will require a territory, similar to wolves today. This territory will need to be fairly large, often much larger than required to ensure a steady supply of prey and edible vegetation. Other predators would've been hunted the same as herbivores that we hunted so the most obvious threat would be that of another tribe trying to take over our territory or attempt to take resources from it. This is something that warrants aggression.
Racism is, unfortunately, just part of who we are. It's genetic and, therefore, cannot be altered. You cannot change who you trust any more than what smells you like. Today it takes on a far more complex form and can often be very subtle in how it displays itself. For instance, you may be more favorable to someone of the same fashion group as you (Green Beard Effect) or you may act slightly less favorably to someone who triggers something in you that you have learned to distrust over time (for example, I don't like people who wear suits to work), this is basic conditioning which goes into a much deeper reasoning for why racism persists today.
Racism now is less about survival and more about various psychological triggers from conditioning throughout our lives. Various authoritarian figures in our lives, like our parents or other adult family members during our childhood all the way up to the various people we interact with throughout our lives have conditioned us (whether intentionally or not) to think a certain way about a group of people. This is far easier for a child as making these judgments are more about gut instinct than any association with experience, but those early signs of bigotry can be very pervasive and may continue for some time, especially when they are ritualized.
Basically, as far as I can make out, racism is pretty much the same as any other distrust of a social group. It's a snap judgment based on various factors and doesn't simply refer to ones dislike of someone's skin colour but also their culture and their language for whatever reason.
Racism seems (in my opinion) to be no different than disliking people who listen to Justin Bieber, or all the Windows users disliking Mac users (and vice versa). It's not something we can control, really, some people just rub you the wrong way even though the only reason you dislike them is because they're associated with a group that you don't have much fondness for, for whatever reason.
Also, I should point out that even though racism does have an evolutionary origin it doesn't make it right. Thanks. I hope I made some kind of sense here.
Humans are social organism. That means we live in societies and interact with other organisms of the same species. ALL social organisms have in-groups and out-groups. Taking an ant as example, its in-group would be all the other ants that live in the same ant mound. Its out-group would be all the other ants in adjacent ant mounds.
In modern evolutionary theory there is a closely related concept called the GREEN BEARD EFFECT [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green-beard_effect]. The idea is that suppose you possessed an unusual characteristic (a green beard). If you happen to cross paths with another person possessing the same unusual characteristic, then recognizing that you share at least that trait in common you may be inclined to act more favorably toward that person. Doing so would improve your reproductive fitness with respect to that trait even if the person is not closely related to you genetically.
When it comes to survival, humans as an omnivorous species will require a territory, similar to wolves today. This territory will need to be fairly large, often much larger than required to ensure a steady supply of prey and edible vegetation. Other predators would've been hunted the same as herbivores that we hunted so the most obvious threat would be that of another tribe trying to take over our territory or attempt to take resources from it. This is something that warrants aggression.
Racism is, unfortunately, just part of who we are. It's genetic and, therefore, cannot be altered. You cannot change who you trust any more than what smells you like. Today it takes on a far more complex form and can often be very subtle in how it displays itself. For instance, you may be more favorable to someone of the same fashion group as you (Green Beard Effect) or you may act slightly less favorably to someone who triggers something in you that you have learned to distrust over time (for example, I don't like people who wear suits to work), this is basic conditioning which goes into a much deeper reasoning for why racism persists today.
Racism now is less about survival and more about various psychological triggers from conditioning throughout our lives. Various authoritarian figures in our lives, like our parents or other adult family members during our childhood all the way up to the various people we interact with throughout our lives have conditioned us (whether intentionally or not) to think a certain way about a group of people. This is far easier for a child as making these judgments are more about gut instinct than any association with experience, but those early signs of bigotry can be very pervasive and may continue for some time, especially when they are ritualized.
Basically, as far as I can make out, racism is pretty much the same as any other distrust of a social group. It's a snap judgment based on various factors and doesn't simply refer to ones dislike of someone's skin colour but also their culture and their language for whatever reason.
Racism seems (in my opinion) to be no different than disliking people who listen to Justin Bieber, or all the Windows users disliking Mac users (and vice versa). It's not something we can control, really, some people just rub you the wrong way even though the only reason you dislike them is because they're associated with a group that you don't have much fondness for, for whatever reason.
Also, I should point out that even though racism does have an evolutionary origin it doesn't make it right. Thanks. I hope I made some kind of sense here.
Hmm! That's a really insightful summary.Danny Roberts said:
It's unfortunate that adaptively favourable traits include outright asshole-ish behaviour.
I've experienced racial discrimination before, and it really sucks to be a victim of such a stupid thing. I'm friendly, educated, hard-working, polite, benevolent in every way, and yet nothing but the colour of my skin matters to racists and it deems me worthy of random abuse on the street.
Even though I live in a country where racism is publically frowned upon, there is still a population of "closet" racists who have feelings of contempt and dislike towards racial groups. It is up to the individual's personality how overtly/agressively they express racist attitudes, but there is very subtle racist behaviour everywhere you look (politics, workplaces, etc.).
I don't think mankind will ever be rid of it.
Oh, i've never played mass effect.Caliostro said:
So... that works out.
I thought he was one of those weird people who gives names to people who eat ham and bitches about them, claiming ham suppresses are hidden powers...
...
well that was weird.
You did make sense good sir!k-ossuburb said:
And for that wonderful (albeit lengthy, but you can'r really skip the details) post!
+10 internets to you!
Does homophobia work in the same way?
Or is there something different to that...
Racism is a bit of a strange subject for me.
The area where I grew up screams that I should be racist (I grew up in an all white town, went to an all white primary and secondary school). The first time I saw a black person was on television, the first time I saw a black child was Africans on the news, and the same goes for every race apart from white people. I never saw any other type of race close up until I was about 11 years old.
Admittedly, this sort of childhood, did put in my head that black people weren't to be trusted (One look at the newspaper of murderers, robbings, gang violence, etc, gives you a crisp idea of why). While white people and other races were in the news too about this, the fact I grew up around whites that I could trust made it seem the minority were as such bad, while the only black people I knew about were in the news for murder or robbing until I finally talked to one properly and made friends with one (Aged 19 years old). This also a main reason why I do not find any other race apart from white attractive at all.
My job as well brings this idea as well. The main race of people we throw out/ban from the store/ arrest, are black and this is usually for theft. White people mainly just argue about something, and other races just seem to get on with it and deal.
After moving to the city, I was never afraid of anybody there (Still not), but since coming here, the only people to have attempted to rob me, rob me, and commit violence towards me have been black.
This may be a case of a few rotten apples in the barrel, but you can at least understand why, while not outwardly, aggressively, extremist racist running around fire bombing black households and shooting at people, I hold a small amount of, you could almost say dislike, for them.
The area where I grew up screams that I should be racist (I grew up in an all white town, went to an all white primary and secondary school). The first time I saw a black person was on television, the first time I saw a black child was Africans on the news, and the same goes for every race apart from white people. I never saw any other type of race close up until I was about 11 years old.
Admittedly, this sort of childhood, did put in my head that black people weren't to be trusted (One look at the newspaper of murderers, robbings, gang violence, etc, gives you a crisp idea of why). While white people and other races were in the news too about this, the fact I grew up around whites that I could trust made it seem the minority were as such bad, while the only black people I knew about were in the news for murder or robbing until I finally talked to one properly and made friends with one (Aged 19 years old). This also a main reason why I do not find any other race apart from white attractive at all.
My job as well brings this idea as well. The main race of people we throw out/ban from the store/ arrest, are black and this is usually for theft. White people mainly just argue about something, and other races just seem to get on with it and deal.
After moving to the city, I was never afraid of anybody there (Still not), but since coming here, the only people to have attempted to rob me, rob me, and commit violence towards me have been black.
This may be a case of a few rotten apples in the barrel, but you can at least understand why, while not outwardly, aggressively, extremist racist running around fire bombing black households and shooting at people, I hold a small amount of, you could almost say dislike, for them.
Hell, i feel like moaning at you for being Racist, but i can see your point.cozitmatchesyoureyes said:
You grew up around people like that, and besides, who's to blame these black people for behaving like that if their expected to behave like that.
And i don't really know much, i live in the south of england, not many black people there.
Although a chinese kid put some arsehole i knew back into his place.
Arsehole: Oh hello little kid, ching chong chinaman!
Kid: Hello fatboy!
(arsehole was fat btw)
Homophobia is pretty much the same at the most basic, primitive levels "they're different from me so I don't like them" is something that pretty much relates to that tribal mentality we still have, however homophobia is far more complex a subject as it enters into a whole boat lead of philosophical, moral and scientific realms that I couldn't cover here even if I wanted to. Various factors would effect how someone views homosexuality as it might have something to do with social pressures from their kin (family, friends, colleagues anyone else that someone associates on a day-to-day basis) and the reasons for the social pressures might be fear out of ignorance (or simply refusing to try to understand the concept of homosexuality), it may be religious or it may be simply because someone had a bad experience with one homosexual in the past and now distrusts all homosexuals because if this.Sizzle Montyjing said:
There are far more reasons in the spectrum but they are so nuanced that it's impossible to cover them all. It's probably safer to say that if someone dislikes something then they have a reason for it. You might not agree with that reason or find it pathetic but they have a reason and they believe it enough to attach a negative emotion to it. The best you can do is hope to educate them or try to change their minds, but that's difficult since you're pretty much going up against years of conditioning unless you're lucky enough to catch it before it has the chance to cement itself in their psyche.
I lived in a town 30 miles away from my closest city in Scotland before moving to London when I was 19. I've never seen a point to random racism, but at least someone can see what has pretty much been put in my head for about twenty years!Sizzle Montyjing said: