thaluikhain said:
zpm4737 said:
I'm rather offended by the implication that if a girl is dressed all slutty, I, as a man, will completely lose control over myself and just whip it out and start raping her.
Yeah, I've never quite gotten that. Saying that it's the women's fault means men have no self-control or morals or more or less any of the other things that makes a person an actual human being. Seems very strange for males claiming to be actual human beings to say that.
This was the kind of mentality that was widespread in the 1800s, though. Men were considered to be without self-control, and it was up to the more moral women to resist and "tame" the men. If they failed (i.e. put out), they had fallen, too weak to resist the man's wild nature in much the same way that weak houses can't resist the passage of time, or that weak trees get uprooted and knocked down in storms. It's not surprising men should propagate this kind of ideology, since it essentially absolves them of all guilt by saying "Boys will be boys, but girls should know better!"
Also, to those who think the walks are pointless: the very fact we are discussing the walks and the issues that spawned them (and that others, elsewhere, are doing the same) is proof that they are useful on at least one level - in generating, or maintaining, debate about the issue.
Ultimately, I think the (justified) point of the Slutwalks is to put the blame where it belongs - on the rapist. People like to say women should take precautions - but besides the obvious objection that most rape could not have been prevented by conservative dress, precautions only make sense to a certain extent. When it comes to crime, precautions only go so far before they turn into oppression and paranoia.
South Africa has a high murder rate, so should we say of murder victims there that "They knew what their country was like, they ought to have emigrated"?
Here in Germany, there have been a few cases of foreigners being murdered by right-wing thugs. Should they tell foreigners to stop speaking their native language on the streets, or to stop speaking at all if they have an accent that might give them away, or, gods forbid, to stay inside their homes because they look foreign? After all, otherwise, they just weren't being careful enough.
In China, the government likes to lock up dissenters. Should we dismiss the suffering of political prisoners because they knew what they were getting into, voicing their opinions like that?
Should the short kid with no friends who gets his lunch money stolen from him on a regular basis at school be told "Well, you should have found yourself some more friends, so don't complain about those bullies!"?
Even if it *were* true that provocative dress leads to some fraction of rape cases, the point of the Slutwalks is to say that, guess what, the way to solve the problem isn't to fight the victims' behavior and demand they plan their lives around rare contingencies caused by sociopaths; it's to fight the rapists's mentality and the culture and legal structures that keep them from being punished the way they deserve. It's about the need to stop seeing rapists hiding at every corner as the status quo.