So if there's something wrong with someone's government it is not your responsibility to work within that, it's the job of the 20 year old with no time, connections or political experience to campaign against it and change the system. And if you do work within it you are enforcing it.GundamSentinel said:Let me get this straight: my primary thought about any job is, if you're doing your job, you ought to get paid properly for it. If your payment depends on people's generosity, that's just wrong. You'd basically be a part-time beggar. In most western countries there is something like a minimum wage that you ought to get for your work. And as other people have said, even from countries with a strong tipping culture, if you don't get enough from tips, your boss should cover the rest until you hit minimum wage.Use_Imagination_here said:OT: Here's a fun drinking game, anytime you read "tip" pretend it means very slight intercourse. Everytime it would get the poster a warning take a drink!
DISCLAIMER: DO NOT ACTUALLY DO THIS YOU WILL DIE.
It seems to me that refusing to do something purely because the government's at fault for it being necessary is a load of shit. If waitresses need your tip to feed themselves then you bloody well tip, it doesn't matter if they're "just doing their job" OR if the government should make new laws, the point is that it DOESN'T and they DO. And honestly you're not refusing to tip because you want to make a political statement, you just don't want to.GundamSentinel said:It really depends on where you're from. Where I live, people don't depend on tips to make a living (enforced minimum wage FTW!). My tips for competent service are generally just a generous rounding. Only good service gets a proper tip (screw percentages, I'll decide for myself what is reasonable).
When I'm in a foreign country and not accustomed to local tipping customs, maybe I come across as a dick, but then again, I wouldn't be if the country had proper wages legislation. I refuse to be guilted into giving tips to people just doing their jobs.
But in countries where waitresses make minimum wage in some restaurants the manager pretty much just takes the tip (just take the tip, just for a second, just to see how it feeeeels) and honestly if you make minimum wage, fuck you I've worked in worse jobs for minimum wage and I didn't get a tip.
If that isn't the case, there's something wrong with your job and you should indeed blame your government (or your boss) for not properly enforcing policy. Or do something about it yourselves.
Sorry, but that's just insane to me. If they do indeed get minimum wage anyway thats fine, if they don't and you are aware of it then just pay the tip.