I feel sorry for American School Students

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Gindil

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Kryzantine said:
Gindil said:
First, we would have to change our education paradigm:

Second, there's plenty of ways to change education for the betterment of society. The problem is all of the money that goes into it, and how we have politicians messing it up. That's a rant for another time. My view, based on how our educational system is lacking is to adapt our students to different standards, similar to Montessori. We lose a lot of divergent thinking, and the public system spits out people for factory jobs.

There's more ways, it's just incredibly difficult to get anything new into the system that allows a smarter population in general.
I... must vehemently disagree with both the video and your post, which is basically an extension of the video.

I mean, the video seemed pretty good, and I was waiting for the big reveal at the end, only for that reveal to be the belief that kids think much less creatively the further they advance in the school system. It was carefully worded to imply this, when the only comparison was kids between kindergarten and 2nd grade, I think, it's been a bit since I saw the video. But we have a biological explanation for that, which is the loss of about 2/3rds of synapses in brain neurons between the ages of 4 and 6. In fact, very young children are the most creative people on the planet. It has nothing to do with a repressive education system, merely biology. And I can say that in my high school, I was doing a lot of creative work and not only encouraged, but required to connect multiple points that had seemingly little connection, and to create a convincing message about the connection. For instance, I had a geopolitics teacher that asked his freshmen world history students to compare the Mongols to Al-Qaeda, to teach them about terrorism as a military strategy; never mind the crazy papers he asked us to write. A geology teacher asked me to use prospect theory to figure out mining investment riskiness. Most English classes do this all the damned time.

No, the problem with education in America is not just the overall lack of funding, but where that money is going. I don't know which idiot decided it was a good idea to fund public schooling based on the taxes collected of the area that the school covers. It creates good public schools in high wealth areas, where the wealthy can afford private schooling, and creates bad public schools in poor areas, which rely on public education to get their youth out of said area and move on to better things in life. That story of the woman in Ohio who defrauded a neighbouring school district (which was a very wealthy area, btw) by sending her kids to the school there illegally (she lived in a neighbouring district, one of the poorest in Ohio and known to have a much worse school)? That's common across America. It's one of the saddest realities we face. Thankfully, I went to an inner city school that received a lot of extra funding from the city and preferential treatment, while admitting kids from across the entire city (of course, they had to be tested in 8th grade to be allowed admission). But this isn't everywhere, and in areas where the infrastructure is relatively poorer, and which relies on taxes collected from a small, economically poor area, the schools suck. There is no advancement there. The only advancement is in areas of high economic growth, areas which need this public advancement less.

So in a way, it's about preparing most people for the factory (or in this case, office) workforce, but it's more because the places that can even prepare people for the top positions are unavailable for most people geographically.
I've had exactly two school choices. A very poorly funded public system and DoDDs. Out of both, the DoDDs system was by far the best.

In the public school system, I had outdated books, less of a chance to learn, more crowded classes along with more social pressure to do poorly (which I did for a while)

When I got to high school, there was better chances to exceed in a lot more. The video I agree with because of my personal experiences in public school systems. None were really quite adequate in teaching me much beyond the basics, to my consternation.

I stayed on pre algebra for two years straight because of my classmates who didn't understand the FOIL method. I couldn't advance to better mathematics, even though I understood it to a very good level. I was very lucky to go to a military family which allowed a lot more growth and freedom.

The reason I resonate with the video is because it shows those problems for modern settings. The main thing you should get from the video is that there is more to education than medication or believing that federal enforcement of laws will change the entire paradigm shift of cranking people in and out of school.

I do believe that children lose divergent thinking as they grow older. It isn't something that isn't taught in the schools currently. What they are taught is compliance at any cost [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/how-school-reform-damages-poor-children--kohn/2011/04/26/AFTTCbtE_blog.html?fb_ref=NetworkNews], which hurts society as a whole. Granted, that article gets more into race than anything else, but there's more than one problem to education, and no one is really looking to solve the issues.
 

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triggrhappy94 said:
We're pretty fucked up, there's no denying that.

The California education system is escpecailly fucked, because people thought Arnold knew how to govern. He bankrupted a state, who's economy is better then most countries.
Ahnold didn't help the situation, but your entire political system in California surely didn't help matters at all.
 

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fragmaster09 said:
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Could the fact that you were on XBOX LIVE have had anything to do with it? Psychologically it makes sense: most gamers are pretty antisocial, and when you combine Call of Duty's competitive environment with the anonymity of the internet, it brings out the most atrocious parts of one's subconscious. It's kind of internet etiquette to be a mean son of a ***** in general and joke back at people when you get the opportunity, but in a friendly sort of way. I never do it to purposely offend others, and from my experience neither would any of my friends/family. But I digress...
 

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SoopaSte123 said:
There are so many problems in our schools that aren't getting fixed, and they're all usually the result of too much politics. The lunches are just the tip of the iceberg. For example, now in Pennsylvania (where I live), school budgets are being cut, leading to awesome newer teachers being let go while old lazy ones stay. It frustrates me sometimes.
This happened big time out in Western PA. Friend of mine was so upset when they let go some of her teachers. I was upset because they won't let go some of mine.....yet. Obviously we go to separate districts
 

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fragmaster09 said:
Um.... Even I who is not the greatest fan of Americans found that ever so slightly racist...
Not defending them or anything because I ALMOST agree...
Not sure how to reply on that one... I know plenty of Americans and they're fine, in fact I do believe it's probably more likely just xboxers who play recent COD games who are... well yeah xD