I get why Dragon Age 2 gets lousy user reviews.

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VincentX3

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Mcoffey said:
VincentX3 said:
Bullshit, either you're trolling or horrible at the game, probably both.
20hrs in today and I haven't noticed a single game breaking bug. If you use your tactics right they all attack fine.

Your character does stop attacking, but is it THAT hard clicking on the next enemy or\and pausing? No, it's not.

So yea keep whining and go back playing some other game you're bad at.
What a well thought out and eloquent rebuttal. Everyone's experience must be exactly like yours. Everyone else is wrong, only you are right.

I've had the game crash a bunch of times, but otherwise no terrible problems (Besides the game being pretty lackluster, anyway).
No obviously not
But it's not my fault if "Someone" does the most simplest things wrong or doesn't do them at all (Tactics) then complains about it being the games fault saying
IT'S BROKEN!
And I don't mean like poor gameplay, I mean that it is so buggy it's hard to play. Melee-characters that isn't controled by the player dosen't move. Ranged charcters don't shoot. The only character that does something is the one the player is using. This is a flaw that shouldn't exist. Even if they fix this and several other bugs, no game should be released in an unplayable state.
So yea, I've been playing 20+Hrs in a game that's in a "unplayable state"
 

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lacktheknack said:
SomeLameStuff said:
And besides, think that's bad? Just think of New Vegas when it was released.
Which raises another problem... why wasn't New Vegas panned as awful by the overwhelming majority upon release, while DA2 was, if the OP is right?
Because New Vegas had a lot of systems in place to fix or avoid bugs that you encountered. Opening the console can fix most of the problems, and if you encounter an area that isn't working right you can avoid it or work around it. With games like DA2 accessing the console is much more difficult, much less intuitive and not nearly as helpful. Also, due to the linear and cinematic nature of the game, its much harder to avoid buggy areas.

I had a problem with DA:O that was a worse bug than all of New Vegas combined. In the human and dwarf commoner origin stories a door that was supposed to open never did, and it was impossible to actually progress in the story. This made 1/3 of the game completely unplayable, and with a whole host of other bugs advancing in the story became a chore. It ruined DA:O for me, and turned me off of the linear and scripted control of Bioware games.
 

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Sounds to me like you just forgot to actually set tactics for the characters. they arent going to do anything if you dont tell them what to do.

Im a good 20 hours in and have yet to see a single mistake in the AI on either side that wasnt just the result of me messing of a tactics slot.

Edit: The guy above me has the other most likely culprit of your problem.

...Also, why would you assume that if I game was so bugged it was unplayable that the critics would still give it a 9 out of 10? You do realize that they see the same things we do right?
 

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I haven't had a single bug like the OP said he had. But if everyone remembers the lead writer for the game did say something about how 4chan was just a place to rant on so I think they might have 0 bombed it for revenge.
 

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Mcoffey said:
VincentX3 said:
Mcoffey said:
VincentX3 said:
Bullshit, either you're trolling or horrible at the game, probably both.
20hrs in today and I haven't noticed a single game breaking bug. If you use your tactics right they all attack fine.

Your character does stop attacking, but is it THAT hard clicking on the next enemy or\and pausing? No, it's not.

So yea keep whining and go back playing some other game you're bad at.
What a well thought out and eloquent rebuttal. Everyone's experience must be exactly like yours. Everyone else is wrong, only you are right.

I've had the game crash a bunch of times, but otherwise no terrible problems (Besides the game being pretty lackluster, anyway).
No obviously not
But it's not my fault if "Someone" does the most simplest things wrong or doesn't do them at all (Tactics) then complains about it being the games fault saying
IT'S BROKEN!
And I don't mean like poor gameplay, I mean that it is so buggy it's hard to play. Melee-characters that isn't controled by the player dosen't move. Ranged charcters don't shoot. The only character that does something is the one the player is using. This is a flaw that shouldn't exist. Even if they fix this and several other bugs, no game should be released in an unplayable state.
So yea, I've been playing 20+Hrs in a game that's in a "unplayable state"
People said that Alpha Protocol was rendered unplayable by bugs and glitches. I didn't run into too many, but that doesn't mean my playthrough was the norm. It's entirely possible I just got lucky, just as it's possible you got lucky. With something as variable as encountering bugs, you cant just rule out someone's issues as them "doing it wrong", especially when there have been plenty of other bug reports.
I also played Alpha Protocol and it was a pretty great game, that I never ran into a single bug in.
There's a difference between calling something a bug and saying
IT'S BROKEN!
Then saying that the others don't do anything which is an obvious lie and that ranged characters don't shoot which is another lie.

Now if he was saying the game was locking up, then fine it could happen, it might be a leak or a momentary glitch. Or if he stated that "X" quest is not showing up in the map or\and Journal then fine, it has to be a bug.

I'm not going to get into all the detail, but simply ranting about it without double checking and making sure everything is correct, then lying about it saying it's unplayable.
Yea I'll stick to saying he's doing it wrong or is just trolling.
 

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I have seen nothing of this sort. The only annoyances in NPC behavior has been some truly odd tactics presets.
 

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That is true. Many glitches are afloat, the story is kinda under bioware's belt, the graphics are amazing, but it's basically Fable meets Dynasty Warriors :/
 

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voetballeeuw said:
Well I've been playing plenty of DAII and have had no severe problems with it. My team is functioning superbly, and the story has been enjoyable. Plus, it's a bit ridiculous that all those negative reviews on day one are because the game's bad. Most, I think, are just gamers that are angry with the changes made. I'm sorry that you've been having gameplay issues though, but Bioware can't really fix them on day two of the release.
...Wait, it's "ridiculous" that a lot of negative reviews could be a reflection of the game's quality? I'm not saying that they necessarily have to be right, but they at least prove that it initially made an unfavorable impression on a lot of people and that has to count for something. I mean, it's only the second Dragon Age game. There can't be [i/]that[/i] many crazy fans who are going to whine about it being different, unless they took out something that was really central to the experience.
 

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So many butthurt people over DAII. I've played for hours and hours and only problem so far was a single crash. Oh, and you know what? I'm playing it on casual and LOVING it. I love feeling like I'm a god over these monsters or bandits. I couldn't be enjoying myself more. I'm also on W7 64-bit and 0 problems.
 

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norwegian-guy said:
Lately, Dragon Age 2 have recieved decent reviews by critics, but the players butcher it. I have played the game for a couple of hours and I get why.
IT'S BROKEN!
And I don't mean like poor gameplay, I mean that it is so buggy it's hard to play. Melee-characters that isn't controled by the player dosen't move. Ranged charcters don't shoot. The only character that does something is the one the player is using. This is a flaw that shouldn't exist. Even if they fix this and several other bugs, no game should be released in an unplayable state.
That's at least my thory on why they get lousy reviews.
Also Bioware has recieved tons of complains about this, but have still to fix it.
Hey, remember Black Ops? How about System Shock 1 & 2, a game you probably worship alongship Deus Ex. those latter runs didn't run for THREE WEEKS for THOUSANDS of people. Black Ops was so laggy it wasn't even funny.
It's new.
And I never encountered Any of these problems.
Any.
And I beat it already.
Awesome Story. Terrible for an RPG system, but still better than Origins.
 

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My problems in combat are, the enemy will be right in front of me and yet I can't do shit, it's like when they're behind a rock and you can't see them, other times it's when a enemy spawns in and just stays there, like I can wail on it for a bit and it won't do anything.
 

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Zekksta said:
Zechnophobe said:
Game is bugged!

OR

You hit 'H'.

Hmm, truly a controversy for the ages.
WHAT DO US XBOX USERS DO? WE HAVE NO H KEY.

FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU
Buy a PC? Nah, I'm just messing :p

But seriously. Kidding, kidding!

Maybe try other letters of the alphabet? I mean, you have four of them - maybe you get lucky? It's like a 1/6 chance that one of those four does the same thing as the H key, right? ;)
 

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norwegian-guy said:
Lately, Dragon Age 2 have recieved decent reviews by critics, but the players butcher it. I have played the game for a couple of hours and I get why.
IT'S BROKEN!
And I don't mean like poor gameplay, I mean that it is so buggy it's hard to play. Melee-characters that isn't controled by the player dosen't move. Ranged charcters don't shoot. The only character that does something is the one the player is using. This is a flaw that shouldn't exist. Even if they fix this and several other bugs, no game should be released in an unplayable state.
That's at least my thory on why they get lousy reviews.
Also Bioware has recieved tons of complains about this, but have still to fix it.
It's called a bug. And you're the first person I've seen complain about it, they work fine for me for what it's worth. Tried looking around for solutions, namely on BioWare boards? I feel for ya, but a game without bugs is an ideal, not a realistic expectation :)
 

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Mcoffey said:
I'm just saying, just because it's unlikely, doesn't necessarily mean he's talking out of his ass. I never would've believed the stories of "cougar people" bugs in Red Dead Redemption if I hadn't seen them on youtube. To this day i've never encountered it. Who's to say he hasn't found something that we haven't?
It's entirely possible that what the OP is describing is a bug, but given the similarity of his description to what is basically a feature of the combat system ("Hold position"), we should definitely consider the possibility of him being full of shit.

This is kind of like starting a thread saying "OMG THIS GAME IS BROKEN! MY RESOLUTION IS 1280x720" and never suggesting that you ever tried to change it. Yes, it's entirely possible that it's a real bug, but at least give us a reason to believe that.
 

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Mcoffey said:
VincentX3 said:
Mcoffey said:
VincentX3 said:
Mcoffey said:
VincentX3 said:
Bullshit, either you're trolling or horrible at the game, probably both.
20hrs in today and I haven't noticed a single game breaking bug. If you use your tactics right they all attack fine.

Your character does stop attacking, but is it THAT hard clicking on the next enemy or\and pausing? No, it's not.

So yea keep whining and go back playing some other game you're bad at.
What a well thought out and eloquent rebuttal. Everyone's experience must be exactly like yours. Everyone else is wrong, only you are right.

I've had the game crash a bunch of times, but otherwise no terrible problems (Besides the game being pretty lackluster, anyway).
No obviously not
But it's not my fault if "Someone" does the most simplest things wrong or doesn't do them at all (Tactics) then complains about it being the games fault saying
IT'S BROKEN!
And I don't mean like poor gameplay, I mean that it is so buggy it's hard to play. Melee-characters that isn't controled by the player dosen't move. Ranged charcters don't shoot. The only character that does something is the one the player is using. This is a flaw that shouldn't exist. Even if they fix this and several other bugs, no game should be released in an unplayable state.
So yea, I've been playing 20+Hrs in a game that's in a "unplayable state"
People said that Alpha Protocol was rendered unplayable by bugs and glitches. I didn't run into too many, but that doesn't mean my playthrough was the norm. It's entirely possible I just got lucky, just as it's possible you got lucky. With something as variable as encountering bugs, you cant just rule out someone's issues as them "doing it wrong", especially when there have been plenty of other bug reports.
I also played Alpha Protocol and it was a pretty great game, that I never ran into a single bug in.
There's a difference between calling something a bug and saying
IT'S BROKEN!
Then saying that the others don't do anything which is an obvious lie and that ranged characters don't shoot which is another lie.

Now if he was saying the game was locking up, then fine it could happen, it might be a leak or a momentary glitch. Or if he stated that "X" quest is not showing up in the map or\and Journal then fine, it has to be a bug.

I'm not going to get into all the detail, but simply ranting about it without double checking and making sure everything is correct, then lying about it saying it's unplayable.
Yea I'll stick to saying he's doing it wrong or is just trolling.
I'm just saying, just because it's unlikely, doesn't necessarily mean he's talking out of his ass. I never would've believed the stories of "cougar people" bugs in Red Dead Redemption if I hadn't seen them on youtube. To this day i've never encountered it. Who's to say he hasn't found something that we haven't?
*Ahem*

Nova Helix said:
8+ hours in and I have no idea what you're talking about. Nothing like what your are saying has happened.

My only complaint is that there isn't as much character development in the allies because I have to go through a load screen to see each one.
voetballeeuw said:
Well I've been playing plenty of DAII and have had no severe problems with it. My team is functioning superbly, and the story has been enjoyable. Plus, it's a bit ridiculous that all those negative reviews on day one are because the game's bad. Most, I think, are just gamers that are angry with the changes made. I'm sorry that you've been having gameplay issues though, but Bioware can't really fix them on day two of the release.
SomeLameStuff said:
I haven't had any problems with that. The only bug I've received is that the music during battles is replaced with some screeching or other, and that's easily solved.

And besides, think that's bad? Just think of New Vegas when it was released.
Kungfu_Teddybear said:
Been playing 8 hours and 51 minutes and not experienced 1 problem with it. So I don't know what your talking about because all my companions do what they're supposed to do.
Hisshiss said:
Sounds to me like you just forgot to actually set tactics for the characters. they arent going to do anything if you dont tell them what to do.

Im a good 20 hours in and have yet to see a single mistake in the AI on either side that wasnt just the result of me messing of a tactics slot.

Edit: The guy above me has the other most likely culprit of your problem.

...Also, why would you assume that if I game was so bugged it was unplayable that the critics would still give it a 9 out of 10? You do realize that they see the same things we do right?
Eri said:
So many butthurt people over DAII. I've played for hours and hours and only problem so far was a single crash. Oh, and you know what? I'm playing it on casual and LOVING it. I love feeling like I'm a god over these monsters or bandits. I couldn't be enjoying myself more. I'm also on W7 64-bit and 0 problems.
This is only from this forum by the way.
When you think about the number of people that have no problems then you see the "odd-case" person complaining about simple things.
I'm not saying it's impossible IF it were something more complex, but saying his teammates aren't attacking or moving?

I bet he hit H and still hasn't noticed.
 

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norwegian-guy said:
Lately, Dragon Age 2 have recieved decent reviews by critics, but the players butcher it. I have played the game for a couple of hours and I get why.
IT'S BROKEN!
And I don't mean like poor gameplay, I mean that it is so buggy it's hard to play. Melee-characters that isn't controled by the player dosen't move. Ranged charcters don't shoot. The only character that does something is the one the player is using. This is a flaw that shouldn't exist. Even if they fix this and several other bugs, no game should be released in an unplayable state.
That's at least my thory on why they get lousy reviews.
Also Bioware has recieved tons of complains about this, but have still to fix it.
Uh, no. You can try to claim they have recieved a ton of complaints, but you can't prove shit. Because the forums at Bioware are mostly filled with bitching, and very few reports of bugs that aren't the entire fault of THE USER. (ie: "game won't play on my 2 year old drivers, fuck you Bioware!")

The reason why the user reviews are mostly scathing is for a simplier reason, which is two-fold. Change is scary to your average loud mouthed Metacritic poster, and they have no idea what Objectivity means. When you rate a game a 1 and ***** about it, the comment on something that is good, like say the voice acting, THAT MEANS IT'S NOT A 1. A 1 would be indicative of the game being burned on sight, like ET, that has no good qualities.

It's just a bunch of whiney idiots that are being entitled to what THEY believed the game should of been, and as such that it's not, overreact excessively and hammer the game in the most vocal manner possible.

Sure, there are some minor issues with the game, but it's still a solid 7 or 8.
OtherSideofSky said:
voetballeeuw said:
Well I've been playing plenty of DAII and have had no severe problems with it. My team is functioning superbly, and the story has been enjoyable. Plus, it's a bit ridiculous that all those negative reviews on day one are because the game's bad. Most, I think, are just gamers that are angry with the changes made. I'm sorry that you've been having gameplay issues though, but Bioware can't really fix them on day two of the release.
...Wait, it's "ridiculous" that a lot of negative reviews could be a reflection of the game's quality? I'm not saying that they necessarily have to be right, but they at least prove that it initially made an unfavorable impression on a lot of people and that has to count for something. I mean, it's only the second Dragon Age game. There can't be [i/]that[/i] many crazy fans who are going to whine about it being different, unless they took out something that was really central to the experience.
There are that many sociopathic fans for starters, and he's dead on right. For one very simple reason, go to Metacritic and read them yourself. Almost every single one of them, at one point or another, will bother to make a statement like this: "I couldn't stomach more than an hour of playing."

I'm sorry, then your "review" is bullshit. Especially in several of those "reviews" they whine about how the story, acting, and dialogue are horrible, mere sentences after stating that they ONLY GOT 2 HOURS INTO THE GAME. That's retarded on a level I have trouble fathoming.
 

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One problem I have with people who rant about bugs is that they always assume that everyone else has the same problems