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Isolda Sage said:
I am not much of gamer. I come on here to read the articles, really. I am however the mother of a 12 year old gamer, who has lost his mind to World of Warcraft. I have had to block all access to WoW because He had been acting like a true addict.
He plays all night. He sneaks up in the middle of the night to play. When I take the game and his computer away this normally well behaved child turns into a crazed idiot willing to fight me for his computer and the ability to play it.
So as it stands he cannot play and he is mourning the loss of his online friends. Is this a common experience?

wow is evil

how ever alot on games that have a big multi player base will have the same affect i was addiced to cod4/dawn of war and diablo 2 they are hard to break but they need to be broken you feel better afterwards and you can get on with real life

i just started playing diablo 2 again for the first time in years and i have thankfuly learnt from the past
 

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I think a good start would be taking his computers power cable every night.
Yeah, I did that. That resulted in a blow up not so different than that video.
Remember, he's a human being. I think the best way to compare it is if someone took away your car/tv/computer/whatever you really love to use, and there was no way besides pretending and faking happiness for years to get it back. Sound like torture? It's what you're doing.
NO! That is not what I am doing! If I played as much as he does I would loose my car/tv/computer and place to live! No one can do the one thing they love to do 24/7!
No need to overreact. Read this post:
HG131 said:
There's a popular misconception. He's not "forfeiting his life". If one were to casually observe me the might think the same. I spend most of my time at my large table me and my father built specially for all my gaming and computer stuff that has all my controllers, consoles, games, my PC, my capture card and more on it (including an unopened can of Mountain Dew Halo 3 Game Fuel). I spend most of my time either on here, on TvTropes, on games or watching everything from Buffy The Vampire Slayer to Ghost In The Shell on my 360's Netflix Instant Stream. I just turn the TV and lay in bed and watch it. However, a few years back I switched from normal schooling to using Florida Virtual School [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Virtual_School] for it. I'm an awesome student, finally don't have to go at the pace of all the retards who were in school (I normally do 5 or 6 lessons a day while we'd do 1 a week in school) and am normally an A student. Yet besides for that time, I just normally play video games, watch TV and post. To anyone who didn't know all that info I'd seem like I'd have to be failing and pathetic. While to some people I still am pathetic, you can't deny the rest. Just because someone spends most of their time gaming/watching TV/posting/losing themselves for most of a month to TV Tropes doesn't mean they can't do a remarkable amount of schoolwork in a short amount of time. To sum this post, looks can be deceiving.
I did read this and you are right sometimes looks can be deceiving. My problem is that I have a kid who is not eating, not sleeping and becoming consumed by a video game. And yes his behavior is intolerable.
 

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Should probably make a deal with him that if he takes up another hobby, spends more time with his real friends or you, you'll give his computer back. He'll have to keep up his side of the bargain. No night uses either, a growing boy needs his sleep.
If anything, he may grow out of it, or start to play it less as he gets older.
Deals are a good idea, I agree. If he balances the gaming with other activities (regulated by you) then it will become more healthy gaming rather than obsessive gaming.
 

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EmileeElectro said:
Should probably make a deal with him that if he takes up another hobby, spends more time with his real friends or you, you'll give his computer back. He'll have to keep up his side of the bargain. No night uses either, a growing boy needs his sleep.
If anything, he may grow out of it, or start to play it less as he gets older.
Deals are a good idea, I agree. If he balances the gaming with other activities (regulated by you) then it will become more healthy gaming rather than obsessive gaming.
I suggest possibly martial arts or some form of self defence. I took up Tae Kwon Doe and loved it, it's good for a confidence boost and they focus on being able to defend yourself rather than getting into a fight. It's also a good form of exercise, lessons can last up to an hour, I was absolutely knackered! but it's good fun.
 

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That's a good one ( even though MOST martial arts are about as useful for real self-defense as playing basketball ).
I also thought the one about bonding by playing together was great.
 

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If he really cannot take a break from this one game for even a day (and go do something else, or play a different game), then this is kind of a problem. I play a lot of games, but there are MANY times when I've gotten bored with gaming, or given up my game time to do something else. This is just me, but I don't usually need or want to play more than 4-6 hours a day, max, and usually I play less.

Also, since you pay for the computer and the internet and the house and his food and probably his WoW subscription and maybe even the initial cost of the game, it's up to you what you want to let him play. You should treat him like a person, obviously (and it sounds like you are), but I don't think it's going to totally destroy him if you point to, say, his grades as a reason to limit his game time somewhat.

When I was younger I had parents setting up timers and stuff for my game sessions, and it didn't make me seethe with resentment. I mean, at the end of the day it's just a game. If somebody really can't take ONE DAY off, then it's gotten waaay too serious. If somebody has to play every day, that tells me that either they have nothing else good in their life (bad sign) or they're addicted (not good either).

Not sure where HG131 is coming from. I mean, I do get it with the resentment and playing roles and parents thing. Whoo, do I ever get it. Even the torture fantasy stuff. But the thing is, I've NEVER felt that way about a game or a parent limiting my game time out of a desire to help me better myself. He should be glad you're taking time and interest in his life rather than slacking off. My girlfriend's dad acts like a frat boy, is never around, rarely lets her know where he's gonna be and often comes home late, AND he's in AA. He should feel lucky somebody cares. I know I am.

For your part, maybe you should learn a little about how long it takes to do stuff in WoW so you can more effectively figure out what a fair time limit might be. Playing video games all night at his age on a system he didn't pay for with a subscription he didn't pay for in a house he didn't pay for to the possible detriment of his school grades probably isn't acceptable behavior. In my opinion you are justified in trying to get him to back off a little. Ultimately, though, nobody can make this kind of call but you.
 

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HG131 said:
Isolda Sage said:
HG131 said:
Isolda Sage said:
HG131 said:
Isolda Sage said:
Burst6 said:
I think a good start would be taking his computers power cable every night.
Yeah, I did that. That resulted in a blow up not so different than that video.
Remember, he's a human being. I think the best way to compare it is if someone took away your car/tv/computer/whatever you really love to use, and there was no way besides pretending and faking happiness for years to get it back. Sound like torture? It's what you're doing.
NO! That is not what I am doing! If I played as much as he does I would loose my car/tv/computer and place to live! No one can do the one thing they love to do 24/7!
No need to overreact. Read this post:
HG131 said:
There's a popular misconception. He's not "forfeiting his life". If one were to casually observe me the might think the same. I spend most of my time at my large table me and my father built specially for all my gaming and computer stuff that has all my controllers, consoles, games, my PC, my capture card and more on it (including an unopened can of Mountain Dew Halo 3 Game Fuel). I spend most of my time either on here, on TvTropes, on games or watching everything from Buffy The Vampire Slayer to Ghost In The Shell on my 360's Netflix Instant Stream. I just turn the TV and lay in bed and watch it. However, a few years back I switched from normal schooling to using Florida Virtual School [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Virtual_School] for it. I'm an awesome student, finally don't have to go at the pace of all the retards who were in school (I normally do 5 or 6 lessons a day while we'd do 1 a week in school) and am normally an A student. Yet besides for that time, I just normally play video games, watch TV and post. To anyone who didn't know all that info I'd seem like I'd have to be failing and pathetic. While to some people I still am pathetic, you can't deny the rest. Just because someone spends most of their time gaming/watching TV/posting/losing themselves for most of a month to TV Tropes doesn't mean they can't do a remarkable amount of schoolwork in a short amount of time. To sum this post, looks can be deceiving.
I did read this and you are right sometimes looks can be deceiving. My problem is that I have a kid who is not eating, not sleeping and becoming consumed by a video game. And yes his behavior is intolerable.
Wait, wait, wait. Not sleeping? He's 12. Back when I was 12 I would often secretly get back online and go back to sleep at 2. I had to get up at 5 (or was it 6). I still stayed a straight A student. As for not eating, how bad is it?
He's just not a kid who can function with no sleep! If he could this would be much less of an issue!
 

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Isolda Sage said:
He plays all night. He sneaks up in the middle of the night to play.
I assume you know the account information, so if you visit the WoW website you can set specific hours of the day that his account will be active. That way even if he does sneak up he won't be able to log in.
 

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EmileeElectro said:
Shapsters said:
EmileeElectro said:
Should probably make a deal with him that if he takes up another hobby, spends more time with his real friends or you, you'll give his computer back. He'll have to keep up his side of the bargain. No night uses either, a growing boy needs his sleep.
If anything, he may grow out of it, or start to play it less as he gets older.
Deals are a good idea, I agree. If he balances the gaming with other activities (regulated by you) then it will become more healthy gaming rather than obsessive gaming.
I suggest possibly martial arts or some form of self defence. I took up Tae Kwon Doe and loved it, it's good for a confidence boost and they focus on being able to defend yourself rather than getting into a fight. It's also a good form of exercise, lessons can last up to an hour, I was absolutely knackered! but it's good fun.
I've heard Martial arts can be great for that. In the end any kind of exercise not only creates a good balance but also just makes you feel better in general. Hell if you find something he likes he will learn to balance the two things on his own.
 

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Judas Iscariot said:
... then delete every single one of your characters.

There, fair warning and if he breaks your rules you follow through with your threats.
LOL!!! Oh, how close did THAT come to happening?
 

Isolda Sage

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Badger Kyre said:
Judas Iscariot said:
... then delete every single one of your characters.

There, fair warning and if he breaks your rules you follow through with your threats.
LOL!!! Oh, how close did THAT come to happening?
OH! I was so tempted!
 

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Isolda Sage said:
I am not much of gamer. I come on here to read the articles, really. I am however the mother of a 12 year old gamer, who has lost his mind to World of Warcraft. I have had to block all access to WoW because He had been acting like a true addict.
He plays all night. He sneaks up in the middle of the night to play. When I take the game and his computer away this normally well behaved child turns into a crazed idiot willing to fight me for his computer and the ability to play it.
So as it stands he cannot play and he is mourning the loss of his online friends. Is this a common experience?
When I was a kid, I discovered the wonderful world of gaming when I was around 8 years old. My mother and stepfather, however, did not share my joy of this wonderful new medium. I wasn
t outright barred from playing, but seeing me totally absorbed in what I was doing in front of the screen, must have scared them. Here I was, absorbed in something they didn't understand. Consequently, strict rules were introduced. Half an hour a day. Some days nothing at all.

The result: I'd do anything I could to sneak in some gametime, wherever I could. I would lie, I would swindle, I would do everything in my capacity to still enjoy my games in this injustice. That then resulted in fights with my parents.
My stepfather was the worst. Whenever he brought up gaming and me, he likened me to a drug addict. He would mime shooting a syringe in his arm, to get his point across. This went on from I was 10 'till I moved out, 9 years later.

I love my mom. I love my stepdad. But we don't see eye to eye. I never like talking to them, and I never feel like visiting them. I like the idea of them existing, and I hope them the best, but I feel very... Not interested in them. I have only blood-ties to them, not social ties, if it makes sense. Now, my father never restricted me much. He took an active interest, would watch me play, or on rare occasions, join in himself. He wasn't a gamer. But he saw it mattered to me, so he endeavoured to understand it. And my relationship to my father is great. We do lots of stuff together. Just the other day, I took an 8 hour drive with him, just to keep him company.

What I am getting at, is that your son has a problem. He has been introduced to something that, in my oppinion, he shouldn't. MMO's can really get into your emotional system. But you have to be really careful you don't antagonize your son, or you might loose him. I have no concrete advice on how to do this, however, and for that I apologize. I am not a parent myself, and I wouldn't want to theorize on how you should raise your children. I can only tell you what happens when parents not only show a lack of support, but scolds a child for having interests.
 

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Ok ok, jokes aside.

Sounds like a lot of good suggestions;
and the parental control thing might have kept this from going this far - unless making another account would have side-stepped the controls, in which case he woulda...

BUT if and when the current sheet-storm wears off, is gaming with parental controls even in the foreseeable future?

Other activities -alongside, perhaps, rather than exclusive of - have been suggested...

Is any of this helping at all>?

Food for thought? sleep on it?

edit i type slow, so i missed the previous post before mine was finished.
I think it's a damn good post, too - but i don't think the issue is scolding for having interests. I think you did hit on the issue, so I'll leave it at that.
 

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HG131 said:
Isolda Sage said:
HG131 said:
Isolda Sage said:
HG131 said:
Isolda Sage said:
HG131 said:
Isolda Sage said:
Burst6 said:
I think a good start would be taking his computers power cable every night.
Yeah, I did that. That resulted in a blow up not so different than that video.
Remember, he's a human being. I think the best way to compare it is if someone took away your car/tv/computer/whatever you really love to use, and there was no way besides pretending and faking happiness for years to get it back. Sound like torture? It's what you're doing.
NO! That is not what I am doing! If I played as much as he does I would loose my car/tv/computer and place to live! No one can do the one thing they love to do 24/7!
No need to overreact. Read this post:
HG131 said:
There's a popular misconception. He's not "forfeiting his life". If one were to casually observe me the might think the same. I spend most of my time at my large table me and my father built specially for all my gaming and computer stuff that has all my controllers, consoles, games, my PC, my capture card and more on it (including an unopened can of Mountain Dew Halo 3 Game Fuel). I spend most of my time either on here, on TvTropes, on games or watching everything from Buffy The Vampire Slayer to Ghost In The Shell on my 360's Netflix Instant Stream. I just turn the TV and lay in bed and watch it. However, a few years back I switched from normal schooling to using Florida Virtual School [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Virtual_School] for it. I'm an awesome student, finally don't have to go at the pace of all the retards who were in school (I normally do 5 or 6 lessons a day while we'd do 1 a week in school) and am normally an A student. Yet besides for that time, I just normally play video games, watch TV and post. To anyone who didn't know all that info I'd seem like I'd have to be failing and pathetic. While to some people I still am pathetic, you can't deny the rest. Just because someone spends most of their time gaming/watching TV/posting/losing themselves for most of a month to TV Tropes doesn't mean they can't do a remarkable amount of schoolwork in a short amount of time. To sum this post, looks can be deceiving.
I did read this and you are right sometimes looks can be deceiving. My problem is that I have a kid who is not eating, not sleeping and becoming consumed by a video game. And yes his behavior is intolerable.
Wait, wait, wait. Not sleeping? He's 12. Back when I was 12 I would often secretly get back online and go back to sleep at 2. I had to get up at 5 (or was it 6). I still stayed a straight A student. As for not eating, how bad is it?
He's just not a kid who can function with no sleep! If he could this would be much less of an issue!
I didn't say that. I'm just saying, how much sleep does he get? It's still against your rules (though I'd suggest trying my suggestion on the last page, but of course I'd say that since I made them) but I'm just trying to figure out how big of an issue this is. Is he constantly falling asleep? Does he just seem exhausted? If so, do you only see him before he leaves for school and after he's home? Because that could be part of it. You're still tired when you wake up and by the time you get home you're just as tired. I'm nor sure if it's the same for him, but I remember having to take at least 3 really heavy textbooks home every night and having to bring them back to school each day. That REALLY will take you out.
Judas Iscariot said:
Not the time, not the place.
Here, here!

He's an emotional wreck when he is tired. His problem becomes EVERYONE'S problem. Most of our problems have gone on this summer, so I wanted to have him playing less and sleeping more before he was back in school.
 

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Well, for a start I wouldn't let a child of 12 access the internet to play games online.

Second, WoW is a notoriously addictive and geeky game, where I come from playing such a game is socially unnacceptable and anyone known to do so is considered to be a loser, usually with good reason too. I can only see loneliness and bullying in your sons future if he continues his addiction.

Also, online 'friends' are not really true friends, you can't meet up with them and go to the park or whatever like other 12 year olds, do not let him get too attached to them
 

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Isolda Sage said:
I am not much of gamer. I come on here to read the articles, really. I am however the mother of a 12 year old gamer, who has lost his mind to World of Warcraft. I have had to block all access to WoW because He had been acting like a true addict.
He plays all night. He sneaks up in the middle of the night to play. When I take the game and his computer away this normally well behaved child turns into a crazed idiot willing to fight me for his computer and the ability to play it.
So as it stands he cannot play and he is mourning the loss of his online friends. Is this a common experience?
Your resolve and concern is commendable. I can certainly empathize with how frustrating this might be. You have to understand though, that playing video games as a boy is actually very normal. If fact, a young man that doesn't play video games is socially abnormal, and a cause for concern.

WoW, is very different to most games given its sophistication. It is basically a very large chat program (without social queues), that lets you do various things while chatting, mainly the collection of in-game items. The Philately of the modern age. Amongst young men the topic of video games does come up often, so I do disagree with taking away video games entirely. Social circles and conversations about video games are much more prevalent these days, and can lead to feelings (shielded by anger) of inadequacy or frustration about not fitting in with other boys if they know nothing about it, and can stunt his growth socially.

As for your question, yes absolutely. You'd be surprised at the level of friendships you can acquire in this video game, I myself know of two marriages and I still talk to another guy who I refer to as "old mate" almost daily. Dr. Mark I know has quite a lot of friends also. Old mate just had a son btw, which is awesome.

For your situation, it does sound like this young man doesn't know or doesn't have the skills to set boundaries for his recreational activities (namely WoW). You would certainly like him, later on in life to know it's not a good idea to play a game until 3am in the morning, as this may result in a verbal warning from the boss, if he has to go to work the next day. I would suggest letting him fail, and see the consequences for himself. Hopefully an after school detention and a scolding/grounding from Mum will make him think twice about getting "just one more quest" done in WoW during the wee hours of the morning, giving him the opportunity to learn from his mistakes. Also this way, the blame rests squarely on his shoulder, and not his "mean old" Mum.

Playing WoW in this fashion (from what you've described) could also be a symptom of another issue entirely. That said, playing WoW extensively, may be a from of escapism from the real world or an issue/problem that he's having. I don't know how often he sneaks out at night to play WoW, but it could be that he's using WoW as a coping mechanism, it certainly fits the bill.

I would definitely get in touch with Dr. Mark on this, he's very knowledgeable about such things. And yes, I do admit I would also like to read his article on the subject.
 

Isolda Sage

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Badger Kyre said:
Ok ok, jokes aside.

Sounds like a lot of good suggestions;
and the parental control thing might have kept this from going this far - unless making another account would have side-stepped the controls, in which case he woulda...

BUT if and when the current sheet-storm wears off, is gaming with parental controls even in the foreseeable future?

Other activities -alongside, perhaps, rather than exclusive of - have been suggested...

Is any of this helping at all>?

Food for thought? sleep on it?
Yes there have been a lot of good suggestions. Gaming may be in his foreseeable future.
 

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HG131 said:
Isolda Sage said:
Someone suggested I delete his characters. Maybe.
I don't think I'll beat him.
That was a joke. A joke lifted and altered from an internet comedian who also created this [http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=manly_suicide]. Funny, but not good advice.
I did not take it as serious advice.