I have an issue with Mutants.

[Aurgelmir]

The Marvel Comic Kind that is.

Mind you I love me some X-men, the whole Messiah story line was/is great, but I still have some issues with Mutants and how they are presented in Marvel Comics.

The big issue stems from how there seem to be, mutant problems, and other hero problems, and they very rarely seem to overlap (Well there has been House of M and that)

But let me get to the point. In a lot of X-men comics there are images from the future, and in most of these futures the mutants seems to have lost to the bigot humans, and my question is this:

Where the hell was the Avengers when that happened? or any other non mutant hero for that matter?

Why is it that in all the X-futures, there seems to never have been any other superheroes?

This really bugs me about the Mutants in Marvel, that and how most anti mutants doesn't seem to care that there are other super beings out there. I guess gaining your powers through drugs, accidents or cosmic beings isn't bad, but being BORN that way is not cool.

So anyone want to discuss mutants with me?

 

[CoverYourHead]

The thing that bugs me (and I doubt this is cannon in the movies) is that in the second movie (at least I think it's the second) they say that the mutant gene is on the Y chromosome. This would mean that no women could be mutants, and it bugs me. Who decided to do write that in?!

 

[alrekr]

Spiderman is often threatened by anti-mutant bigots. Though you are right about the lack of over lap. Though in one of the many futures where muntans are hunted, usually by sentinals which are meant to have killed other super heros as well. During the Onslaught saga the avengers join the fight (Issue 48 of Essential X-Men). Many other Marvel heroes join in this fight such F4, Dr Doom, Dr Strange, Hulk and it is meant to be considered that all other Marvel Heroes and some villians are either helping with the evacuation or dealing with other threats over seas.

 

[Gaz6231]

Usually you'll find that comic writers want to stick with writing about the characters in their franchise. It's all very well and good throwing Spiderman into an X-Men comic, but then it's not really about the X-Men anymore.

 

[etherlance]

The thing that bugs me (and I doubt this is cannon in the movies) is that in the second movie (at least I think it's the second) they say that the mutant gene is on the Y chromosome. This would mean that no women could be mutants, and it bugs me. Who decided to do write that in?!

I think what they meant when they said that was that the mutant gene is carried by a male but when they reproduce that male gene can be given to a daughter of that male.......I don't really know genetics and biology that well but I think thats the jist of it anyway.

 

[etherlance]

Thats something that has bugged me as well:

Where the hell was Thor?

Or Iron man?

Or Captain america and captain Britain?

The avengers?
The Titans
The Teen Titans?
Justice league of america
The hyperions?
Generation X?
The Fantastic Four?

Surely if they were all wiped out then so would the mutants be as well.
So If they haven't been destroyed then what the hell ARE they doing?

 

[CoverYourHead]

The thing that bugs me (and I doubt this is cannon in the movies) is that in the second movie (at least I think it's the second) they say that the mutant gene is on the Y chromosome. This would mean that no women could be mutants, and it bugs me. Who decided to do write that in?!

I think what they meant when they said that was that the mutant gene is carried by a male but when they reproduce that male gene can be given to a daughter of that male.......I don't really know genetics and biology that well but I think thats the jist of it anyway.

Biology doesn't work that way!

 

[Dags90]

I think what they meant when they said that was that the mutant gene is carried by a male but when they reproduce that male gene can be given to a daughter of that male.......I don't really know genetics and biology that well but I think thats the jist of it anyway.

To be fair, it was said by Wolverine during a fight between two parents in which the husband was blaming the mother for bearing him a mutant baby. It could easily be hand waved as him just trying to diffuse the situation and stopping the blame game. I'm pretty sure they had more or less the exact same lie/unsubstantiated fact in the porphyria episode of House.

 

[Aurgelmir]

Thats something that has bugged me as well:

Where the hell was Thor?

Or Iron man?

Or Captain america and captain Britain?

The avengers?
The Titans
The Teen Titans?
Justice league of america
The hyperions?
Generation X?
The Fantastic Four?

Surely if they were all wiped out then so would the mutants be as well.
So If they haven't been destroyed then what the hell ARE they doing?

Well Half of those teams are in other comic franchises all together, but yes you are right. If it is very far into the future, maybe they died of old age?

But in most "Avenger Futures" there is always a bunch of "children of the avengers" there to help, so why is it always that in Mutant future there are no other heroes? Because "The Sentinels killed them all" is sort of weird, Thor > Sentinel any day.

The thing that bugs me (and I doubt this is cannon in the movies) is that in the second movie (at least I think it's the second) they say that the mutant gene is on the Y chromosome. This would mean that no women could be mutants, and it bugs me. Who decided to do write that in?!

I think what they meant when they said that was that the mutant gene is carried by a male but when they reproduce that male gene can be given to a daughter of that male.......I don't really know genetics and biology that well but I think thats the jist of it anyway.

Its the movies though, they haven't really been keeping things real with the comics But since they call it the X-gene, I fid it weird it would be part of the Y cromosom

 

[Voodoo_Person]

The thing that bugs me (and I doubt this is cannon in the movies) is that in the second movie (at least I think it's the second) they say that the mutant gene is on the Y chromosome. This would mean that no women could be mutants, and it bugs me. Who decided to do write that in?!

From what I know, the movies are set in one of the many alternate universes within the Marvel world, so they're canon in themselves, or something like that, one thing that always got me, was how in the X-Men movies, wolverine wasn't exactly big, but in origins (set before) he was huge, did he just sit around for however many years and no do anything?

 

[The Salty Vulcan]

You know what always bugged me about Marvel Mutants? HOW MANY OF THEM WERE AROUND. Geez, it was getting to the stage where you couldn't read one page without somebody being a mutant. That kinda loses it's edge once it gets to that stage.

That being said though, yeah, that is wierd. Considering how the Avengers have included the likes of Wolverine, Beast and Storm, you'd think they'd care more. I put it down to lazy writing myself. If you want to make a pint in Marvel, common sense can exit the door on the right.

I'm curious though. Has the OP read any of the MC2 books? Mutants get a pretty good deal in that future.

 

[Verlander]

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In a lot of the serious storylines, the human heroes either died, or fate was changed that they never got their powers in the first place. Look at the age of apocalypse storyline, a lot of the normal heroes are in that, but in different situations/positions.

Also a lot of the future storylines are far into the future, where the human heroes would have certainly died. Same with Thor and the Gods... they can die. I'm pretty sure the was a short series of comics set in the future where all of the old heroes got rounded up... can't for the life of me remember what it was called though.

You know what always bugged me about Marvel Mutants? HOW MANY OF THEM WERE AROUND. Geez, it was getting to the stage where you couldn't read one page without somebody being a mutant. That kinda loses it's edge once it gets to that stage.

Well, there aren't anymore, there's only about 100 left in the world in the current universe.

I think what they meant when they said that was that the mutant gene is carried by a male but when they reproduce that male gene can be given to a daughter of that male.......I don't really know genetics and biology that well but I think thats the jist of it anyway.

To be fair, it was said by Wolverine during a fight between two parents in which the husband was blaming the mother for bearing him a mutant baby. It could easily be hand waved as him just trying to diffuse the situation and stopping the blame game. I'm pretty sure they had more or less the exact same lie/unsubstantiated fact in the porphyria episode of House.

Pretty sure it was said by Pyro Sorry, I'm a geek

 

[The Salty Vulcan]

You know what always bugged me about Marvel Mutants? HOW MANY OF THEM WERE AROUND. Geez, it was getting to the stage where you couldn't read one page without somebody being a mutant. That kinda loses it's edge once it gets to that stage.

Well, there aren't anymore, there's only about 100 left in the world in the current universe.

Yeah I know. M-Day was a blessing in disguise. I'm loving how the writers haveto be all creative now and come up with more than just mutants. Granted this will probably lead to comics become wierder, but thats the beauty of them.

 

[Aurgelmir]

Well, there aren't anymore, there's only about 100 left in the world in the current universe.

Actually after Second Coming there has been new mutants poping up again, although I havent read any X-men after Second Coming.

 

[etherlance]

The thing that bugs me (and I doubt this is cannon in the movies) is that in the second movie (at least I think it's the second) they say that the mutant gene is on the Y chromosome. This would mean that no women could be mutants, and it bugs me. Who decided to do write that in?!

I think what they meant when they said that was that the mutant gene is carried by a male but when they reproduce that male gene can be given to a daughter of that male.......I don't really know genetics and biology that well but I think thats the jist of it anyway.

Biology doesn't work that way!

Hence the reason I said I wasn't an expert of genetics and biology

 

[FalloutJack]

Well, I think Michael Dorn makes an excellent mutant.

*CoughMarcusCough*

I dunno. I try not to get too deep on the subject of comic mutants. I like Deadpool and all, but this isn't something I go all depthy about.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Idont know. The only thing I could htink of is its not in that universe, to talk about continuity thing Moviebob talked about in his last big picture. Other then that, beats me.

 

[Something Amyss]

The Marvel Comic Kind that is.

Mind you I love me some X-men, the whole Messiah story line was/is great, but I still have some issues with Mutants and how they are presented in Marvel Comics.

The big issue stems from how there seem to be, mutant problems, and other hero problems, and they very rarely seem to overlap (Well there has been House of M and that)

But let me get to the point. In a lot of X-men comics there are images from the future, and in most of these futures the mutants seems to have lost to the bigot humans, and my question is this:

Where the hell was the Avengers when that happened? or any other non mutant hero for that matter?

Why is it that in all the X-futures, there seems to never have been any other superheroes?

This really bugs me about the Mutants in Marvel, that and how most anti mutants doesn't seem to care that there are other super beings out there. I guess gaining your powers through drugs, accidents or cosmic beings isn't bad, but being BORN that way is not cool.

So anyone want to discuss mutants with me?

There's a crisis in New York, one of the big hubs of Superhuman activity in the Marvel Universe. 90% of the time it will be up to the team or hero in the title of the book to save the day. Barring actual crossovers, it's unlikely that someone else will show up, no matter how bad it is.

This isn't about mutants. This is about the ability to tell individual stories, a suspension of disbelief required to afford such a vast number of heroes in the Marvel Universe. I mean, otherwise things just get crazy. Doctor Octopus goes on a rampage and the Avengers, Fantastic Four and several X-Teams are pounding the crap out of him before Spider-Man can even get in his tights. But that would be a terrible Spider-Man comic.

 

[The Salty Vulcan]

This isn't about mutants. This is about the ability to tell individual stories, a suspension of disbelief required to afford such a vast number of heroes in the Marvel Universe. I mean, otherwise things just get crazy. Doctor Octopus goes on a rampage and the Avengers, Fantastic Four and several X-Teams are pounding the crap out of him before Spider-Man can even get in his tights. But that would be a terrible Spider-Man comic.

Not neccesarily. A few years back, there were a collection of short stories that focused on Spider-man and the citizens of New York and how their paths crossed all the time. A few of these stories focused specifically on how other heroes would handle things.

Rhino once beat Spider-man senseless, only to escape and be captured by The Avengers, where Peter did some sould searching as he recovered.
The Fantastic Four once had the face of against Electro only to have Spider-man finish him off. The Four even had to fight off another supervillain, while Peter had to save a bunch of kids in his civilian duds.

Not to steer the conversation into another tangent but I just thought that be said, since Spidey was mentioned and all.

 

[CoverYourHead]

The thing that bugs me (and I doubt this is cannon in the movies) is that in the second movie (at least I think it's the second) they say that the mutant gene is on the Y chromosome. This would mean that no women could be mutants, and it bugs me. Who decided to do write that in?!

I think what they meant when they said that was that the mutant gene is carried by a male but when they reproduce that male gene can be given to a daughter of that male.......I don't really know genetics and biology that well but I think thats the jist of it anyway.

Biology doesn't work that way!

Hence the reason I said I wasn't an expert of genetics and biology

Well I wasn't mad at you or anything, just making sure you know that still makes no sense.