RJ 17 said:
No, it's a closed loop because it's inescapable. Indeed, Ultimecia always dies, but in her death she resets the events to restart from the beginning.
So for the third time: the only way for there to be an "out" for the time loop is to prevent Ultimecia from travelling back in time to give Edea the sorceress power in the first place. This does not happen, and as such the loop plays on for eternity. Ultimecia may not have won, but she effectively ends the world by ensuring that it can never progress beyond her death.
Whoa-whoa-whoa! Halt! What do you mean "time can never progress beyond her death"? Like hell it can't. After her death at the end of FF8 time goes back to normal. This means that in the year 20xx or whatever she rules the world, it would simply look like that a bunch of SeeDs materialized out of nowhere, killed her off and disappeared right after. Time keeps moving on minding its own business.
Remember, this is a time loop, not a groundhog-day loop. Everyone involved only experiences the events
once, only us, the outside observers are aware that the end of the loop sets up the beginning of the loop.
Lets break down the timeline, shall we?
One day Matron meets a Sorceress from the future that grants her the Sorceress powers, thus turning her into Edea. Flash forward and the kids that Matron was watching over are all now a bunch of angsty twits who go on their heroic quest. This quest ends with the resurrection of Ultimecia
Wait, halt again! What do you mean "resurrection"? Nobody resurrects Ultimecia, she exists in the future as part of the timeline. She is only sending her consciousness back from the future to control sorceresses in the past, the actual, physical Ultimecia is safe and snug in the future (well, until she gets the bright idea to compress time, because the best way to avoid being killed by the legendary historical SeeD from the past is by making them able to travel through time, amirite?)
...who then activates her time compression. The angsty twits defeat her, thus ending the time compression with a almost-dead Ultimecia ending up in front of a young Matron who she grants the Sorceress powers to, thus turning her into Edea. Rinse and repeat for all eternity.
Halt, halt, halt for the third time! What do you mean all eternity? It only happens once. Once Ultimecia gives over her powers, she is dead, Squall and co. gets to live out the rest of their lives, the world moves on, then a hundred or whatever years later Ultimecia shows up, big war breaks out, she tries to stop the SeeD from the past assassinating her (which she knows about because duh, history books), causes time-compression, then gets offed, time compression ends, she disappears from her own timeline and people in the future get to live happily ever after too. As I said, everyone only experience any given event once single time and Ultimecia's death doesn't magically delete the future either.
Going back in time was Ultimecia's ace in the hole, a way to ensure she could one day get resurrected and have another go at things.
No, it was not part of her plan, nor was she resurrected, nor did she "get another go at things", because she was DEAD.
So, either her fate can be changed and at some point she'll actually win out, or her fate cannot be changed and she's eternally doomed to failure. "Best case scenario" for breaking the loop is Ultimecia eventually wins out. Otherwise she successfully locks the world in a never-ending time loop, because the heroes certainly can't stop her from going back in time without causing a universe-shattering paradox.
Either way: the events of the game are utterly pointless.
No, it's just that you confuse the type of time-loop we are talking about here.
Silvanus said:
RikuoAmero said:
Yes we see the party during the credit sequence - happening in their own time period. Imagine if the events of Discs 1 to 3 happen in Year 1 and Ultimecia lives in Year 1000, the party we see after her defeat happens in Year 1. Time would continue to flow from Year 1 to Year 1000, but once Year 1000 rolls around again and Squall and Co. pop out of nowhere and confront Ultimecia, then time loops again. It cannot progress beyond the point of the confrontation.
That doesn't necessarily follow. That assumes that after the Time Compression fails, time resets to Year 1, only to progress the same way again-- its just as possible that when the Time Compression failed, time didn't "reset" to any specific moment, but rather everything was defaulted back to its own period to exist as it otherwise would have done. That would mean Squall is sent back to his own period, and the future would carry on past Ultimecia's failed experiment.
Correct, thank you.