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Lord Krunk

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Sewblon said:
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Toms Hardware is reliable for this sort of thing. Also, avoid Seagate products I spent 3 months fixing the firmware issues with their harddrives.
Ah, pardon my ineptitude but what's a firmware issue?

I need to know because my new computer parts (which I'm getting this week) includes a Seagate hard drive.
Firmware is the programing inherent in the drive itself. The SNO5 and SN15 versions of the barracudas firmware caused them to die at random and require flashing. I finally got it all fixed last night and it wasn't pleasant.
Will that be an issue for me, or was it just a one-off in your case?
It affects all the drives with either the SN05 or SN15 firmware, but if you get either you can return it in exchange for a drive with updated firmware without the problem, if you have a warranty and contact Seagate tech support.
I'm getting my parts from a wholesaler (who I assume have the latest updates for their parts), so I shouldn't have any trouble.

Shouldn't.
 

spuddyt

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The first and most important question is - Are you willing to follow instructions manuals and build it yourself? (it really isn't that hard)
Also, what monitor resolution will you be using, and do you want to play crysis on maximum or just so that it looks awesome (it looks awesome on medium high and very high tbh..)
Oh yeah, and make an account on a forum like
Tomshardware.com
anandtech.com
They'd be able to provide more detailed analysis but I must warn you, everyone hates not having a budget to work with.
 

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Lord Krunk said:
Sewblon said:
Lord Krunk said:
Sewblon said:
Lord Krunk said:
Sewblon said:
Toms Hardware is reliable for this sort of thing. Also, avoid Seagate products I spent 3 months fixing the firmware issues with their harddrives.
Ah, pardon my ineptitude but what's a firmware issue?

I need to know because my new computer parts (which I'm getting this week) includes a Seagate hard drive.
Firmware is the programing inherent in the drive itself. The SNO5 and SN15 versions of the barracudas firmware caused them to die at random and require flashing. I finally got it all fixed last night and it wasn't pleasant.
Will that be an issue for me, or was it just a one-off in your case?
It affects all the drives with either the SN05 or SN15 firmware, but if you get either you can return it in exchange for a drive with updated firmware without the problem, if you have a warranty and contact Seagate tech support.
I'm getting my parts from a wholesaler (who I assume have the latest updates for their parts), so I shouldn't have any trouble.

Shouldn't.
Just read the back of the drive to verify the firmware version before you install it.
 

Lord Krunk

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Sewblon said:
Lord Krunk said:
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Sewblon said:
Lord Krunk said:
Sewblon said:
Toms Hardware is reliable for this sort of thing. Also, avoid Seagate products I spent 3 months fixing the firmware issues with their harddrives.
Ah, pardon my ineptitude but what's a firmware issue?

I need to know because my new computer parts (which I'm getting this week) includes a Seagate hard drive.
Firmware is the programing inherent in the drive itself. The SNO5 and SN15 versions of the barracudas firmware caused them to die at random and require flashing. I finally got it all fixed last night and it wasn't pleasant.
Will that be an issue for me, or was it just a one-off in your case?
It affects all the drives with either the SN05 or SN15 firmware, but if you get either you can return it in exchange for a drive with updated firmware without the problem, if you have a warranty and contact Seagate tech support.
I'm getting my parts from a wholesaler (who I assume have the latest updates for their parts), so I shouldn't have any trouble.

Shouldn't.
Just read the back of the drive to verify the firmware version before you install it.
What firmware is good, and what is bad?
 

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D_987 said:
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Ok - as I said I know nothing about computers - what would you suggest?
Unfortunately, I don't have the knowledge about specific brands and models. Though, I could do some research if the time comes for me to buy my own. The reason is that I don't have a pressing need for a gaming platform right now. However, a decent PC that can play games and one I could use for other purposes is in the top of my "To Get" list when I finally get a job. And maybe even then, I'd be doing the same thing as you.

I'd suggest you look at the article in here about the $500 PC. It's a preconstructed rig that performs "just right".

EDIT: Here's the link: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.109009
 

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You should probably wait until October 22, 2009 for the result of Microsoft's infinite number of monkeys...



Also, you will almost certainly get more value for money with a Desktop. Get help building one from an expert friend and don't overclock too much as it will dramatically shorten the lifetime of your system. Alternatively, wait for Crytek to release Crysis 2 on the Xbox 360 - at least see how it turns out.
 

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Sewblon beat me to it, but it's worth repeating: Tom's Hardware is a great site to dig into before buying a new computer. You can read the articles if you want, but the real action is the forums. Just post, profess ignorance, and you should get plenty of knowledgable folks to help you. There's also going to be a large number of already existing posts asking the same questions you are, at various budget levels, as well as hints and tips as to what the good components are and where to buy 'em.

It does hurt a bit that you won't post your budget requirements. I could suggest different systems costing anywhere from about a grand to three or four thousand. Although it's possible to build a good gaming system for under $1000, that takes some real indepth expertise to find the cheap yet good quality components and put them together.

As a gamer and PC hobbyist, I can tell you, there's really no such thing as a "gaming laptop". Gamers generally avoid them like the plague. I've seen posts from owners of high-end laptops who's specs sound like they should easily run the game - but won't. I've read post after post of laptop ownwers having problems with the current generation of games. Don't get me wrong, I'm not biased against them: they're great and convenient if you want to run spreadsheets, browse the 'net, or even play (older) games. Many fail miserably trying to run Crysis or any new games, though.
 

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Well, here's my PC and I like it.
AMD 6000+ x2 dual core processor (3GHz Dual core is sweet)
ATI HD 4850 graphics card
500GB Hard drive/disk/whatever
3GB RAM
aaand K9N4 Ultra motherboard
Runs every new game fine, and It was quite cheap, somewhere around 400 euros.
If you tell what's your budget it will be easier to recomend.
 

D_987

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Right, I've added in budget information.

I estimate I'll about 500 - 600 pounds to spend (let me go convert that into dollers / euros).

Which means if I stick to my budget I'll have around $1000 to spend.
 

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Does anyone know if Eggo's builds are till up-to-date, or if he has released new ones on some other site?
 

Lord Krunk

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Nimbus said:
Does anyone know if Eggo's builds are till up-to-date, or if he has released new ones on some other site?
He hasn't updated since he got banned, sorry. In the mean time, we have Horticulture's thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.105715] for all your PC buying needs.
 

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- 2GB ram minimum (get a lot because it's cheap)
- get a good dual core as quad cores arent worth it. important to have a good cache, something like this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/152177 MAKE SURE IT HAS A HEATSINK(I cheaped out on a CPU and it's holding me back a fair bit, still runs crisis ok and oblivion on max settings tho)
- any mobo which has correct slots (at least two DDR2 slots, a PCI-E slot and a slot for your CPU
- I'd recommend nvidia 8800 GTX graphics card
- get whatever hard drive, case, disk drive you want
- get a very good power supply which should be about 750W or higher

also make sure you get a decent monitor or it will al be for nothing, I'd recommend something like this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/152944
 

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i got;

e8500 3.16ghz
4 ghz 1066 ram
asus p5q mainboard
ati hd4850

anything more than that would be waste of money if you ask me
 

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D_987 said:
One thing - I have no idea how to set-up a computer and would not want to break anything - sure it maybe cheaper; but it may cost more if I break it. Are there any UK sites that offer to create custom computers and dispatch them?
www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk
 

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D_987 said:
One thing - I have no idea how to set-up a computer and would not want to break anything - sure it maybe cheaper; but it may cost more if I break it. Are there any UK sites that offer to create custom computers and dispatch them?
i don't know of any companies, but me and a friend have built and sold PC's and we are in the UK.
my friend also owns a hosting company, so he knows his way with tech.
for 600 quid i could build a pretty respectable system, especially if you already have a screen.
 

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Mazty said:
Well UK guy here, so no $'s for me.
The best site to find components is http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/
Go for a ATX case and buy your own power supply, prefereably something like 650W incase you want to upgrade your GPU later on when the G200 series comes down in price.
In my opinion, get a AMD processor as they are much cheaper. Can get a relatively good quadcore for under £100.
As for RAM, get at least a motherboard that can support 8gb. With your budget, it shouldn't be a problem. However, make sure it has a decent bus speed, (1000Mhz+) and isn't DDR3 (too pricey and not enough point). As for a Harddrive (HDD) get at east 500gb. Personally I need around 1TB as i'm into modding/3d animating.
For a GPU, get at least the 9600GT. All in all, is best power to price graphics card out there. Nvidia have a great comparison website where you can see the specs of each card so can decide whether its better to spend £50 more and get the next card up from it.
Make sure you have enough fans! 3 should be more than fine really.
This set up, wth 4gb DDR2 800Mhz ram will only set you back about £450, including a 20" monitor. So for your budget I'd recomended getting a true 1080p monitor (which you can also use for your 360) and upgrading the GPU to probably the 9800GTX, and using all 8gb of RAM.
HOWEVER! you will need a 64bit OS to use more than 3gb of ram, which will most likely mean an upgrade from whatever you have at the moment. Best bet is to hold out till Windows 7 hits the market, and all your software will have to be 64bit compatible. But it is worth it to get an insane framerate!
AMD ehh there hyper threading sucks. Also don't bother with a gaming laptop even if the spec match's a pc i will still put money pc out performing it every time (pc= more bang for your buck or in this case sterling).
 

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Mazty said:
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Mazty said:
Well UK guy here, so no $'s for me.
The best site to find components is http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/
Go for a ATX case and buy your own power supply, prefereably something like 650W incase you want to upgrade your GPU later on when the G200 series comes down in price.
In my opinion, get a AMD processor as they are much cheaper. Can get a relatively good quadcore for under £100.
As for RAM, get at least a motherboard that can support 8gb. With your budget, it shouldn't be a problem. However, make sure it has a decent bus speed, (1000Mhz+) and isn't DDR3 (too pricey and not enough point). As for a Harddrive (HDD) get at east 500gb. Personally I need around 1TB as i'm into modding/3d animating.
For a GPU, get at least the 9600GT. All in all, is best power to price graphics card out there. Nvidia have a great comparison website where you can see the specs of each card so can decide whether its better to spend £50 more and get the next card up from it.
Make sure you have enough fans! 3 should be more than fine really.
This set up, wth 4gb DDR2 800Mhz ram will only set you back about £450, including a 20" monitor. So for your budget I'd recommended getting a true 1080p monitor (which you can also use for your 360) and upgrading the GPU to probably the 9800GTX, and using all 8gb of RAM.
HOWEVER! you will need a 64bit OS to use more than 3gb of ram, which will most likely mean an upgrade from whatever you have at the moment. Best bet is to hold out till Windows 7 hits the market, and all your software will have to be 64bit compatible. But it is worth it to get an insane framerate!
AMD ehh there hyper threading sucks. Also don't bother with a gaming laptop even if the spec match's a pc i will still put money pc out performing it every time (pc= more bang for your buck or in this case sterling).
AMD still don't give any significant slow down, plus I wouldn't be too confident in Intel support after the E.C. ruling, and further on the way.
And yeah, laptops just are not good for gaming. More expensive, can't upgrade most, and the GPUs almost always have driver issues.
Yer true but was thinking the things in his price range there plenty reasonable Intel products.
 

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Make a list of the parts you will need ("CPU", "MOTHERBOARD" Etc...) then for each one learn the basic definition of what it is. Ask two or three different shops/sources what their popular value option is, and research that online to see if people agree or know valid alternatives.
Enlighten yourself! :D
 

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mooncalf said:
Make a list of the parts you will need ("CPU", "MOTHERBOARD" Etc...) then for each one learn the basic definition of what it is. Ask two or three different shops/sources what their popular value option is, and research that online to see if people agree or know valid alternatives.
Enlighten yourself! :D
yer there millions of build your own pc sites which are clear helpful and easy to use and worth a look even if you dont build it yourself.