I really, really want to enjoy Morrowind :( Tips?

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Honestly, it's admirable you gave it a shot, but it's one of those 'you had to have been there' games.

It was a brilliant game for its time, a sequel to Daggerfall for the Xbox and PC, but it hasn't aged well. The combat is floatly and bizarre because it's just a handwave graphical representation of 'behind the screen' dice rolls that determine success.
 

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rutger5000 said:
endtherapture said:
WHY DO I WALK SO SLOW IN MORROWIND?
Cause you don't have boots of blinding speed, which you really need.
You don't NEED the Boots of Blinding speed. Hell, I've never bothered to get them and I've been playing Morrowind since the GOTY version came out. What you do NEED is a few levels to drop some points into your Speed attribute and time to beef up your Athletics skills.

It's all about stats. All of it.
 

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I love Morrowind, but the game is broken as heck when it comes to the actual gameplay mechanics. The system is really good hypothetically, as it lets the player character improve based upon how the player uses the character. Unfortunately, it usually doesn't quite work out so well in practice, as the game does favor certain tactics over others.

capcha: that's enough.

Yes it is capcha. Yes it is.
 

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Fasckira said:
Why do you really really want to enjoy it? I mean ultimately its not everyone's cup of tea and if you aren't getting along with it then it could be wiser to try another game to spend time with?
I agree. If it isn't sitting right with you during the first few mission it won't sit right with you at all.

Jimmy T. Malice said:
Here's what you need to enjoy Morrowind: A good ol' set of nostalgia goggles!

Seriously, it's the only way.
Yeah, I also agree with you. The game isn't as good as people make it out to be. If anything, the Elder Scrolls games have been getting steadily better with each subsequent installment.
 

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I really, really want to enjoy Morrowind. I really do. The world is gorgeous (even more so with a graphics overhaul) and big (mildly annoying, the lack of fast travel, but I can deal with that) and there's so much lore and things and usually stuff that I like.

But I just. Can't. Get into it. The combat is just so atrocious and the journal so poorly set up that just. Ugghlaskdlfjas.
(And before someone goes "well the journal's realistic blah blah", if I were recording important information involving people's quests, I would write information on the same quest ON THE SAME FUCKING PAGE not a million pages later. And how many of you write down every conversation you have ever? I mean really).

I also have no idea really what I'm doing or where to go for things and just. Argh. I'm not an old school gamer, I didn't start properly gaming until 2009, and before that all I had were LINEAR FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS (good ones, like the original Unreal). So I really don't know what to do with myself here. I'm wandering aimlessly and getting murdered by BUGS (until I ~tgm out of frustration that is!) and generally not having a terribly good time.

Whine about "omg new gamer/casual noobs ruining our games" all you like I don't really give a shit.

I just want to know if you guys, with more old-game experience than I, can give me some tips to enjoy the game. And if not well. I tried. lol Maybe someone else struggling to enjoy the game can get some use out of this thread, if only that they're not alone, hahahaha.
With regard to the journal...you're gonna have to deal with that one. As for "fast travel", there are two ways: the legit one (silt-striders, ships/ boats and teleportation by certain mages in the Mages Guild) and the cheaty-face one; open the console by tapping the ~ key (or was it TAB...I don't remember) and type in COC "location, sublocation", for example COC "Vivec, Palace of Vivec" and press Enter. Using just COC "location" also works but will land you in water on several occasions (such as with Vivec).

As for melee combat, two things are important: a fairly high weapon skill stat (for instance Long Blade 40 or more) and a fairly high Agility Stat (preferably 70+). The higher both values are, the less you will miss.

Level up only when you are sure you will attain three +5 modifiers for stats (my main three attributes were always Strength, Intelligence and Agility). You will attain a +5 modifier when you have levelled up any amount of connected skills by 10 points. What I mean by this: to get the Agility +5 modifier you need to either raise one Agility skill (such as Marksmanship) by 10 points, or two Agility skills (Sneak & Block or some other combination) by 5 points, or three Agility skills by a variation of points (1-2-7, 1-3-6, 1-4-5, 2-2-6, 2-3-5, 2-4-4, 3-3-4).

There are three ways to raise a skill: repeated use (use the weapon/ spell, sneak/ jump around), special books (granting +1 to a skill upon reading) and trainers (NPCs that can provide "Training" for gold). Trainers are the way to go...especially Master Trainers. But you will need a lot of gold.

As for where to go: if you deliver the package to Caius Cossade's House in Balmora, you start the main quest. You could also choose to join a Guild (Thieves, Fighters, Mages)...or a House (Redoran, Hlaalu, Telvanni) or some other organization like the Imperial Legion or the Temple.

That should get you started. For more info check: http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/913818-the-elder-scrolls-iii-morrowind/faqs
 

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Morrowind is a great game, but it's not for everyone, and that's OK. I could go on at great length about why I love Morrowind best of the Elder Scrolls games I played (oh wait, I did [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.398655-What-is-the-best-Elder-scrolls-game-out-of-Morrowind-Oblivion-and-Skyrim?page=4#16323728]). Instead I'll discuss some of the biggest issues with the game, and whether they can be worked around. But first, let me just say, there's nothing wrong with not liking Morrowind. It's a game, not a job, so don't let us Morrowind cultists make you feel bad about not liking it. Some people don't like pizza. They're wrong, but you know, to thine own self be true.

There are a number of problems which are really glaringly apparent in the early stages of the game. In my experience these are really frustrating in the first few hours of gameplay, and then you either get used to them, level up to the point where they're less of an issue, mod them, or quit.

Temporary issues
1. Glacial walk speed. You can mod this, but the quickest way to fix it is by just jumping everywhere or throwing gobs of money at trainers (train things that have speed as their primary attribute, and sink all of your stat points into your speed). You'll be jumping from one end of Balmora to the other in no time.

2. I can't hit anything! This can be pretty annoying early on, but once again, there are mods that change this behavior, or you can just throw money at it. By level 10 or so you'll be bringing in so much money that you'll be able to pick up whatever weapon proficiencies you want

3. Skills need to be at a pretty high level before they're reliable (sneak and marksman both come to mind), which can be frustrating even later in the game. Really this is just a more general statement of 1 and 2, but I like bullet points.

4. Ciff racers. Oh god the cliff racers. Get yourself a bow and sink 5-10k into marksman and they'll become a minor nuisance instead of the scourge of the skies.

5. Getting places takes forever, and there's no fast travel. While you can't just click on the map and zap somewhere, in practice there's almost always a way to fast travel from roughly where you are to roughly where you need to be. Keep a travel map [http://www.uesp.net/morrow/files/travelmap.gif] handy and you'll never be that far from where you need to be. Invest in the almsivi intervention, divine intervention, mark, and recall spells to further help you zap from place to place.


Of course, there are also things that won't really ever change. If these are dealbreakers for you, you're better off moving on.

Permanent issues
1. The graphics are not Skyrim-quality. They never will be. There are tons of great graphics mods out there, but it definitely takes a while to get them all playing nice on your computer. The only thing that's really necessary in my opinion is the graphics extender, to let you use modern monitor resolutions. While the baseline graphics aren't fantastic, they're not so bad as to pull me out of the game, but your mileage may vary. If you just hate the way everything looks, you can try mods to change it, but I wouldn't count on it helping all that much.

2. The journal is all over the place. Yes, the expansions do fix it a little bit, but it'll never be that great. The good news is, nothing in your journal is all that critical, but it will still be frustrating when you're trying to figure out whether you were supposed to kill DudewithlongnameA or DudewithlongnameB. I also don't like installing the expansions until I've finished (to whatever degree I'm comfortable with) the main game, but that's just me being OCD. The best thing to do here is to just google for whatever you've forgotten -- there are great online wikis with all the information you'll ever need for every quest. Even so, it's still annoying.

3. The combat will always be relatively simple and floaty. Eventually you'll be able to hit things, but combat will always consist of you clicking on things until they die.

4. The spell system is a little wonky. If you want to play a pure spellcaster you'll either end up leveling your alchemy like mad to make enough mana potions (which comes with its own balance issues), or you'll end up modding some aspects of the magic system to make it less painful, but it's never quite right.

Ultimately the only one who can say whether the game is good is you. It doesn't matter if I love it -- if you're not enjoying it after a few hours, move on and find something else that brings you more joy. Life's too short to play a game you don't enjoy.

tl;dr: There are definitely issues with Morrowind, but not all of them stick with you forever. For what's right about the game, read this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.398655-What-is-the-best-Elder-scrolls-game-out-of-Morrowind-Oblivion-and-Skyrim?page=4#16323728]. For what's wrong about the game, see above.
 

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My Morrowind as broken. I can start new games but I can't load up any save games after I quit and restart the game.

Any ideas on why this is happening?
 

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endtherapture said:
My Morrowind as broken. I can start new games but I can't load up any save games after I quit and restart the game.

Any ideas on why this is happening?
Is it modded? I'm wondering if some mods are loaded into your saves, and then were removed somehow.

Does it give you any error messages?
 

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endtherapture said:
My Morrowind as broken. I can start new games but I can't load up any save games after I quit and restart the game.

Any ideas on why this is happening?
Do you have Morrowind Code Patch installed (if you have the overhaul, then the answer is yes)? If not, install it, then try it out. MCP fixes a lot of problems with savegames and such, so there is a decent chance that it might solve your problem. And even if it doesn't, it's something you really should have anyway.

Other than that, if your game is modded, look to see if there's anything that might be behaving strangely. You may just have to keep uninstalling stuff until you find what's causing the problem.

If neither of these things help, then I'm out of ideas.
 

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ohnoitsabear said:
endtherapture said:
My Morrowind as broken. I can start new games but I can't load up any save games after I quit and restart the game.

Any ideas on why this is happening?
Do you have Morrowind Code Patch installed (if you have the overhaul, then the answer is yes)? If not, install it, then try it out. MCP fixes a lot of problems with savegames and such, so there is a decent chance that it might solve your problem. And even if it doesn't, it's something you really should have anyway.

Other than that, if your game is modded, look to see if there's anything that might be behaving strangely. You may just have to keep uninstalling stuff until you find what's causing the problem.

If neither of these things help, then I'm out of ideas.
I've got the overhaul installed, and no other mods. I even started a clean game save and that doesn't load up properly, but I can start a new game very easily.

The game just loads up to the point where music of the game is playing but doesn't go any further than a black screen/load screen.
 

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endtherapture said:
WHY DO I WALK SO SLOW IN MORROWIND?
Movement speed scales with athleticism, so of course you'll be slow at early levels or there wouldn't be any progression to it.

Just make sure shift is always on. Use caps lock.

endtherapture said:
[he game just loads up to the point where music of the game is playing but doesn't go any further than a black screen/load screen.
Sounds like you are missing part of the DirectX library needed for the game. Not all DX8 and 9 packets come with Windows 7 or 8 anymore. The overhaul installer is supposed to direct you to the correct download page.
 

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Rob Robson said:
endtherapture said:
WHY DO I WALK SO SLOW IN MORROWIND?
Movement speed scales with athleticism, so of course you'll be slow at early levels or there wouldn't be any progression to it.

Just make sure shift is always on. Use caps lock.

endtherapture said:
[he game just loads up to the point where music of the game is playing but doesn't go any further than a black screen/load screen.
Sounds like you are missing part of the DirectX library needed for the game. Not all DX8 and 9 packets come with Windows 7 or 8 anymore. The overhaul installer is supposed to direct you to the correct download page.
I'm pretty sure I've done that, and remember I can actually start the game and play through a new game with no problem.
 

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Vkmies said:
Before I say anything, Morrowind is my favourite game of all time. Ever. That game changed me. So I might be biased, even though I am trying my best to not be.

Anyway. It might just not be your kind of a thing. You might not enjoy the stuff I do or be able to overlook the problems I can. I like the journal alright, and I love that there is no fast travel. I think it's amazing. But it's fair to disagree, and you might just disagree, making the game a hot pile of shit for you.

As for tips? Just give it time. Time time time. Start over a few times, learn what the skills do and how they work, learn the little quirks of the game. That game requires constant attention and time. Try to immerse yourself. Playing it in the "I am playing a video game"-sense will ruin a lot of the fun and really make the problems very obvious. If you can, get into the world, into the characters. Read dialog out loud, have a IRL notebook to scribble maps and notes on, roleplay. Morrowind might be the best game for that.
I gave the game about 7 hours before I finally gave up. That includes one restart very early in Seyda Neen. In seven hours, most RPGs would have given you enough progression to start feeling a difference. Morrowind? It felt like there was very little difference from my starting character, despite getting a few points in the relevant skills, and getting levelled gear. To put it into perspective, within seven hours I've usually levelled a Skyrim character to level 20, and my core concept is already starting to show.
 

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romxxii said:
Vkmies said:
Before I say anything, Morrowind is my favourite game of all time. Ever. That game changed me. So I might be biased, even though I am trying my best to not be.

Anyway. It might just not be your kind of a thing. You might not enjoy the stuff I do or be able to overlook the problems I can. I like the journal alright, and I love that there is no fast travel. I think it's amazing. But it's fair to disagree, and you might just disagree, making the game a hot pile of shit for you.

As for tips? Just give it time. Time time time. Start over a few times, learn what the skills do and how they work, learn the little quirks of the game. That game requires constant attention and time. Try to immerse yourself. Playing it in the "I am playing a video game"-sense will ruin a lot of the fun and really make the problems very obvious. If you can, get into the world, into the characters. Read dialog out loud, have a IRL notebook to scribble maps and notes on, roleplay. Morrowind might be the best game for that.
I gave the game about 7 hours before I finally gave up. That includes one restart very early in Seyda Neen. In seven hours, most RPGs would have given you enough progression to start feeling a difference. Morrowind? It felt like there was very little difference from my starting character, despite getting a few points in the relevant skills, and getting levelled gear. To put it into perspective, within seven hours I've usually levelled a Skyrim character to level 20, and my core concept is already starting to show.


Totally gotcha. I understand all the criticisms Morrowind faces, my favourite game or not. Morrowind, if you even ever end up getting into it, takes a long long long time to get into. Well, at least for me it did. It was one of the first fully 3D RPG's I had ever played so I probably spent well over 50 hours just screwing around, getting into the lore, trying different characters and playstyles, getting to know the game, before I started the character I ended up finishing the game with. For most that's a negative, as it probably should be. I view it as one of those charming features and main reasons why the game is so important to me. Not many modern games are like this important to me. But yes, looking at what I just wrote and thinking "What the fuck is wrong with this idiot, that sounds awful" is totally understandable and a natural reaction. Probably just means that you will not enjoy the game if you feel you have gotten enough of it in 7 hours, which is obviously also completely fine. I probably couldn't deal with getting to know a game for 50 hours nowadays either. I had more time on my hands 10 years ago.
 

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Vkmies said:
You misunderstand; I'm not opposed to spending significant time with a game. I've logged 500 hours in Skyrim, more than 300 of that on just one character. I've played every single Mass Effect game at least 40 hours each, with 2 having about 3 full playthroughs. Every single open sandbox game I've bought nets a minimum of 20 hours of my time.

What's important to me is that after more than 5 hours, I should already start feeling some sort of progression with the game, the narrative, or my character's abilities. I didn't get that with Morrowind.
 

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romxxii said:
Vkmies said:
You misunderstand; I'm not opposed to spending significant time with a game. I've logged 500 hours in Skyrim, more than 300 of that on just one character. I've played every single Mass Effect game at least 40 hours each, with 2 having about 3 full playthroughs. Every single open sandbox game I've bought nets a minimum of 20 hours of my time.

What's important to me is that after more than 5 hours, I should already start feeling some sort of progression with the game, the narrative, or my character's abilities. I didn't get that with Morrowind.

Understandable reaction, I guess. I had a different experience, but that's what makes games great. The variety of differently paced, flowing and playing games is incredible and that's why we have grown into such a strong community.