I suck at Starcraft 2

Jazoni89

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I have recently brought Starcraft 2 and have really enjoyed playing it, but their is one tiny simple flaw.

I totally suck at it!

I just can't seem to multi manage my troops and my economy together. I seem to favour one side of the battle and totally neglect the other. I would either build loads of troops or build loads of buildings and SCV's and its causing me to lose every online game i have ever been in.

I have tried practising with the AI to improve myself but it seems like im just hitting a brick wall. Is their any strategy's or tips you can give me to help me improve my multi managing skills and make me better at the game.
 

Ashcrexl

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i too suck at starcraft ii. that's why i find it most fun to play 3 vs 3 or 4 vs 4, so i have some help. you should too! also, battlecruiser pwn EVERYTHING, so build lots of battlecruisers! (they probably dont, its not a good idea to take tips from me)
 

Skorpyo

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Perhaps, you should start out with some simple RTS's, to get your feet wet?

Try the old Command & Conquer games, THEN move on to the big leagues.
 

Liquid Ocelot

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Always be building something (unless you're saving up for something else) And play the campaign if you haven't yet, it'll help you get the basics down.
 

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Lullabye said:
so do i.
Yet am somehow amazing at Sins of a Solar Empire.
I started out sucking ass at that game, lost to the easy AI over and over again. Then, after I figured out to rush frigates early and THEN build up trade lines...the game got really easy. Until Diplomacy xpac came around, I didn't research Diplomacy at all, and all the AIs attack me.

OT
I somehow won 4 of my 1v1 placements matches and got stuck in Platinum. Then I lost 5 times in a row and I haven't touched melee again.
 

LetalisK

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I suck pretty hard at the macro, but I'm a lot better at the micro in Starcraft 2. Hence why I usually go Protoss. That and Force Field is sweet as hell.
 

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Jazoni89 said:
I have recently brought Starcraft 2 and have really enjoyed playing it, but their is one tiny simple flaw.

I totally suck at it!

I just can't seem to multi manage my troops and my economy together. I seem to favour one side of the battle and totally neglect the other. I would either build loads of troops or build loads of buildings and SCV's and its causing me to lose every online game i have ever been in.

I have tried practising with the AI to improve myself but it seems like im just hitting a brick wall. Is their any strategy's or tips you can give me to help me improve my multi managing skills and make me better at the game.
You're not the only one, I suck as well. But there are things you can do to improve.

1. Macro > Micro. What this means is that your economy and unit production are what counts at your level of skill. Focus on having a strong economy, on not letting your money stockpile, on building units and learning what units are good against what. Don't worry about fancy army maneouvers just yet, learn to build an army first.

2. Keep making workers. You need 3 workers for each Vespene Geyser and about 2-2.5 for each mineral patch to get optimal returns. Also, keep making supply (Supply Depots, Pylons, Overlords). You should always have supply on the way BEFORE you reach your cap. So start building that pylon when you're at 14/18 or 16/18, not when you're 18/18.

3. Control groups are your friends. Put your important buildings in control groups, so you can acess them faster. You usually only need 1-3 groups for your units, the rest can be buildings. This will let you control your unit production even while you're managing your army, since you won't have to zoom back to your base as much.

4. Learn the hotkeys. Every build order has a hotkey. Every special ability has a hotkey. Learn them. The best way to do this is to play normally, but when you want to, say, build a Marine, instead of clicking the Build Marine icon, you mouse over it to see which is the hotkey for it and then pressing that. Keep doing this for everything and eventually you'll start to remember without having to mouse over the buttons.

5. Scout. Around 9-11 supply you should have a worker moving to your enemy's base to see what he's up to. This will let you spot things like early Zergling rushes, Banshee rushes and such and let you take steps to protect yourself. Also, keep scouting throughout the game. Every race has units and abilities that help scout. Protoss have the Observer, the Phoenix and Hallucinate; Terran have Comsat, Hellions; Zerg have Overlords and Overseers. But any unit can scout.

6. Play Random. A lot of people will tell you to pick a race and stick with it until you master it. That's bullshit. Playing Random helps you learn the races, the units, how to use them and how to counter them. You'll be playing every possible matchup from each side and while the learning curve will be slightly steeper, it will also help you get better faster.

7. Play against the AI until you can consistently beat the Hard AI with any race matchup. Why Hard? Because it's the toughest AI that doesn't outright cheat. Very Hard and Insane get bonus resources. Hard is on even footing with you and plays better than many people in Bronze League, and even in Silver. Being able to beat it means you have the basics down.

8. Watch replays. Specifically, replays with commentary. Some of the more popular commentators include HD Starcraft and Husky, but if you want to get better at the game, you should watch Day 9. He mostly focuses on teaching the game and explaining the mechanics, and every new player can learn tons from him. Also, watch your won replays, especially when you lose. See what he did that let him beat you. If he brought an army that was two times bigger than yours, see how he managed to afford it.

For anything more specific, ask specific questions :)
 

adrian_exec

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Irony makes it that an awesome guy on youtube has a series of tutorial videos for Starcraft entitled the same, which might also help you. Enjoy!

I Suck at Starcraft 2 [http://www.youtube.com/user/TotalHalibut#grid/user/0581F8A5999D0011] by Totalbuiscuit.
 

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Jazoni89 said:
I have recently brought Starcraft 2 and have really enjoyed playing it, but their is one tiny simple flaw.

I totally suck at it!

I just can't seem to multi manage my troops and my economy together. I seem to favour one side of the battle and totally neglect the other. I would either build loads of troops or build loads of buildings and SCV's and its causing me to lose every online game i have ever been in.

I have tried practising with the AI to improve myself but it seems like im just hitting a brick wall. Is their any strategy's or tips you can give me to help me improve my multi managing skills and make me better at the game.
you just need to see what your enemy does :) save your replay's see what they do from the get go.. what ive done :) also been perfecting my start as zerg, killed a enemy in 6 min :p

but just practice with the AI, start off with medium and move up. or play Co-op and get tips from others :) and see thier tactics ;) i suck at it aswell ive won 2 and lost 3 :p there will always be someone who is better :p

but do some co-op get tips from other ppl :) and just watch and learn ;) also... save your replay's :) best advice i can give atm
 

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I haven't really played Starcraft or Starcraft 2 all that much, and I don't know if you mean multiplayer or not either. But I'll try and give my input.

You are probably suffering from the same thing I used to with Street Fighter, underestimating people. Sure, when you play by yourself or with some of your friends, you feel like you are awesome, you'll go and decimate them, and all that stuff..but then as soon as you go online, you'll get your ass handed to you and be all "WTF".

Sure you might go against new people like yourself, but for the most part, there might be people with a year, 3 years, or in Starcraft's case, 10 years experience around their belt, which you really need to watch out for. So, its not so much that you are sucking that bad, its just a lot more people have had a lot more practice.
 

BlindMessiah94

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It's all about hotkeys.

I watch a lot of SC commentaries on youtube. I recommend HuskyStarcraft's channel because he is hilarious, or Force Starcraft 2 strategy as he provides in depth looks at build orders.

That is if you are serious about getting better. If not, then just have fun with some friends and be a newb. Or add me and we can play some newb games together :)
 

SL33TBL1ND

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I thought this was a plug for TB's "I Suck at Starcraft 2" which, coincidentally, is a great way to learn to play.
 

Lyri

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First of all, learn build orders from watching replays of pros.

Since you're playing Terran, I suggest you look for some from Select or possibly some old TLO and some Morrow.
Practice it against the computer, make sure you get your timings down and you're comfortable hitting all the hotkeys.

Make sure you're constantly building SCVS, infact go and look at an old replay now. If I'm right you'll be stuck at 12-15 SCVS for the entire match on one base.
You'll find this game is more about macro than it is micro, so don't worry too much about micro right now.
Just worry about getting you macro mechanics down solid with a build order you like and are comfortable performing.

[Platinum - near diamond player]
Not much but meh, if you need help PM me.
 

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The game is much more mental than it is physical. Broodwar required high APM to get shit done, while SC II you could probably beat a 300 APM player by being ~80 APM yourself because of UI changes to make it easier to macro at your base while microing your offensive advances.

Honestly, it's quite easy to just hotkey 6 command centers, rally them to minerals, and queue up 6 SCVS than having to jump to 6 different locations and tell each one to do it and tell the worker to gather after he comes out.

That said, most of the games are defined within 10-15 minutes of gameplay, so working with 1 base and harassing/attacking at the same time is the important thing.

Abusing ctrl-groups and having your production buildings and workers that build hotkeyed helps a lot. So do waypoints (shift-clicking.)

For example, sending a worker to the enemy base and using shift-based waypoints to click in a circle around his base can have your scout just run around for ~30 seconds without requiring any attention from you. Then you can either use your hotkeyed buildings to produce more, or jump back to your base and build more units, start teching, queue up more guys whatever, which shouldn't take more than 10-15 seconds. Then you can jump back to your scout who should have stupid enemies chasing him in tow, and he's been avoiding combat with them without any attention from you for the past 15 seconds because of the pre-planned waypoints that you placed.

This will sound very stupid, but perhaps warm up by playing SC:BW. After playing that, War3 and SCII feel slower and easier to control.

But remember, having 10 factories hotkeyed to ctrl-5 and selecting them and spamming EEEEEEEEEE for siege tanks is much easier than scrolling back to your base and clicking each one individually. Especially if you're trying to attack at the same time.
 

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I've slowly been playing more and more Starcraft 2 online and I like to think I've been getting better at the game as well. Something I found useful was to actually purposely lose all my 1v1 placement matches so that I can start from the very bottom and work my way up Pokemon style, fighting more and more challenging opponents.

One thing I've noticed however is that 'cheese' tactics are much more common in the lower tiers online. Cannon rush, Zerg rush, proxy barracks, etc. Tricks generally considered a cheap way to try and win. However with that said, playing your way up from the bronze league I've learned how to counter all these tricks which I like to think has made me a better player as a result. Zerg rush? Wall in the entrance. Just one Zealot can push back a zerg rush so long as they cant get the surround on him. And for the other two just scout properly and reply swiftly. If a player is trying to canon rush for example, they likely don't have much defense (if any) in their own base. So what I like to do is let them waste resources building the initial pylon and a few cannons, 'assassinate' the probe building them, then 4-gate rush the opponent while they're weak.

Watching replay also helps! Though if you're like me, don't try to emulate what you see exactly. I'm just not fast enough (yet) to pull off half the things I see players doing in high-level replay. That said you *do* learn neat play ideas and strategy that way which you probably wouldn't have thought up on your own, plus you get to see units being used to their best effect so you can go 'ooooh, *thats* what those are good for!'. I've started using Blink Stalkers and Sentries much more after seeing what kind of damage they can do when used properly.
 

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this shirt sums up my online experiences with Starcraft:

http://store.penny-arcade.com/products/matchmaker-tee
 

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Jazoni89 said:
Hotkey all command centres / nexus / hatcheries with CTRL+6. This allows quick access should you wish to build more SCVs, use scanner sweep, bring down MULEs, use Chronoboost, and spawn MASS armies for Zerg highlighting all Larvae at once!

Hotkey all upgrade centres with CTRL+5. In a long term game this is especially useful. If you know it is going to be a long game then you must make sure your army has the upgrades to have a clear advantage. Hotkeying these and listening out for 'upgrade complete' will allow you to always have these buildings researching.

Hotkey all factories with CTRL+4. During battle, providing you're not Micromanaging you should be pressing '4' and training more troops as you lose them. If the enemy destroys your entire army and you're not training troops then they are going to rape the door to your base.

Hotkey your entire army with CTRL+1 or make separate sub groups with '2' and '3'. If you need to switch between certain units to use their abilities in battle then press 'TAB'. Alternatively you can hold CTRL and click a certain unit to highlight ALL units of that type.

Whenever new buildings are built or new troops come out you should add them to your hot groups. To do this, instead of holding CTRL and a number, hold shift and a number. This allows you to add additional units to groups rather than recreating the groups again.

Knowing the basic hotkeys (ie: 'S' trains a SCV) allows you to build your base rather quickly.

For economy you should have 3 workers on each gas and 3 workers on each mineral field. There are usually 8 mineral fields so that means 24 workers + an additional 6 for gas. In total? 30 per base optimum.

In terms of mastering your units don't be afraid to experiment. But if you want to stick to strategies that rarely fail:

Terran:
Rush- Don't get Gas. Just build many barracks (at least 4) and constantly train marines.
Medium Length- Gas. 3 Barracks with Reactor. 1 Barracks with Tech Lab. Research marine and marauder upgrade. Build mass marines and marauders. Build one star port with reactor for medivacs.

Protoss:
Medium Length- Go stalkers, fantastic for their Blink ability. Learn to use this in cooperation with an Observer or an allied scanner sweep to traverse up into an enemies base.

There are many guides on the net which tell you a basic build order. Find one that works and stick with it. Also! Make sure you learn unit counters or you're fucked.