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Dandark

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Ragsnstitches said:
Dandark said:
In Skyrim, I cannot help the blades with their messed up reasoning for why everyones favorite character has to die.

I also have trouble joining the stormcloakcs, I have a Nord character who I joined them with but they are so damn racist and wrong that I can't feel that good fighting for them. Fighting against them as the Empire however, then I feel like im fighting the good fight since im getting rid of the bigots.
Not going to blast your own take on it, but from my point of view the Nords have my sympathy.

The Nords are VERY traditionalist. They do things in honor of their ancestors at almost every level. This was challenged by the Imperials presence, which preferred progress over retaining history, which led to uneasy relationships before the war. When the war happened, and in the signing of the white-gold concordat, the Nords very own link to the "9" divines was made an illegal practice. The banning of Talos worship was the final straw, and such a massive insult to the very strong historical bonds the Nords have, that it just escalated to rebellion levels.

The Racism comes from seeing weakness in others. While that's not excusable, it's deliberately implemented to make no one side truly good. Regardless of how well Bethesda managed to convey this (not well) they wanted the war to be a lot less black and white.

The Thalmor, on the other hand, are basically TES Nazis, sooo... they didn't extend this grey area to everyone.

OP: In the Witcher, I came so close to siding with the Order of the Flaming Rose, after the fiasco at the bank. But when the one character that you could tolerate, who seemed like he could be more then the general bigoted mindset, decides to just blindly follow purely racist views, I had to pull out...

BUT, luckily for me, I had that option late in the game... unfortunately for me, I ended up with no allies. So I finished the game with odd sense of failure that didn't actually ruin my overall feelings about the game.
I actully agreed with the Nords and was going to join the stormcloakcs but most of them seem to just be so damn evil, I wanted to join them but I can't stand most of the stormcloaks.
 

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Thaliur said:
Am I alone in this? Has anyone of you ever stopped playing a game because you just could not empathise with the faction you were supposed to support? If so, in which games, and why?
Generally in games like this, you get a choice of factions, and so I've never stopped playing so much as I've just not played that campaign. Like Caeser's Legion, who were a bunch of raping murdering slavers with terrible fashion sense; I shot every one of the fuckers I saw, because no way am I going to do any of their dirty work for them.

Or even worse than that, playing as Germany in Pro Evolution or FIFA. No way. I'd just feel so dirty.
 

Matt King

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while i do like the witcher 2, i hate 99% of the characters in that game




captcha: i'm sorry
well you fucking should be
 

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Gunner 51 said:
Caesar's Legion in Fallout: New Vegas for me.

Ever since seeing them in Nipton, I just thought "fuck these guys - fuck 'em with with a big plank of wood." Those guys were just plain unremorsally and and coldly evil - worse than the raiders, even.

When given a chance to go to Legion central to rescue Benny (and grab the chip) - I started shooting the place to bits.
Same here, in the end I shut down the game and didn't ever bother playing again because pretty much every faction was full of fuckheads and I didn't want to help any of them even slightly.
 

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Beautiful End said:
I guess Skyrim. It's just that EVERYONE in the world is waiting for you to walk by and solve their lives.
I dislike Okami for the same reason. Everybody in the game is a completely incompetent and insufferable prick, incapable of the most basic actions. And when you help them they even have the nerve to take all the credit and condescend to you.
It's probably supposed to be funny but it just made me hate every single character I met.
 

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Dr Pussymagnet said:
Fuckin' Mass Effect 2. I now have to work for the crappy little sidequest villains from the first game? Awesome
I never worked for Cerberus. Sure I followed The Illusive Mans leads, but I never worked for him, in fact I made damn sure that I went out my way to upset him.

"Can we keep the reseach on the Geth?"

No.

"Can we keep the Collector Base?"

No.

"Errrr...can I at least have this pen?"

What do you think?

No wonder he wanted me dead in Mass Effect 3.
 

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I don't think I've ever stopped playing a game because I didn't like the faction I was working for. I've only ever stopped if the gameplay was infuriatingly bad (Dead Island, almost) or if it was just too glitchy to keep going (Fallout; NV). Granted at times I was less than impressed by them, such as finding out that you work for Cerberus in ME2 or the whole Civil War thing in Skyrim, but that was mostly because the path you chose was not even remotely affected by your race or anything (my High Elf character fought for the Stormcloaks). These were never gamebreakers though.
 

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Gunner 51 said:
Caesar's Legion in Fallout: New Vegas for me.

Ever since seeing them in Nipton, I just thought "fuck these guys - fuck 'em with with a big plank of wood." Those guys were just plain unremorsally and and coldly evil - worse than the raiders, even.

When given a chance to go to Legion central to rescue Benny (and grab the chip) - I started shooting the place to bits.
I came here to say exactly that. I love New Vegas, and make a point of trying to get the game as thoroughly complete as possible, but no matter how hard I try, I simply CANNOT bring myself to work with the Legion. Bunch of slavers, mass-murdering rapists and child molesters that I simply make my trigger figner itch too much.

JustRin said:
No Far Cry 2 yet? The two main factions you work for ( ARP and UFLL) are also the main antagosits. Yes, there is also the Jakal who is actualy a nice guy. So to kill a nice guy you have to work with fucktards.
You're playing as a mercenary in an African civil war. Trust me, that's pretty close to how things work.
 

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RazadaMk2 said:
Huh.

Never really had that moment in any game.

Hell, I have even played as Nazi's and not given a damn (CoH: Opposing Fronts. Fucking BRILLIANT campaign). I loved that campaign, it was nice to play something that made the Germans feel... Human.

Strange, now that I think about it, I had more issues with siding with the Stormcloaks then I have with actually fighting as the Nazi's. Huh.
I think that's because most people who fought for the Nazi's weren't inherently evil, they were just given no other choice but to fight for them and I imagine the game reflects that.

Stormcloaks on the other hand are pretty much all fanatics.
 

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Ickorus said:
RazadaMk2 said:
Huh.

Never really had that moment in any game.

Hell, I have even played as Nazi's and not given a damn (CoH: Opposing Fronts. Fucking BRILLIANT campaign). I loved that campaign, it was nice to play something that made the Germans feel... Human.

Strange, now that I think about it, I had more issues with siding with the Stormcloaks then I have with actually fighting as the Nazi's. Huh.
I think that's because most people who fought for the Nazi's weren't inherently evil, they were just given no other choice but to fight for them and I imagine the game reflects that.

Stormcloaks on the other hand are pretty much all fanatics.
With the exception of the usual fanatics that are present everywhere, most members of the German armed forces were fighting for their country and their families, just like most soldiers throughout history. A shame they've been reduced to a caricature, but, that's the way history goes.
 

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As has already been said a few times already, fuck the Legion. Seriously. Fuck them. God damned hypocritical child molesting freaks.


Other games... eh. I fought for the Stormcloaks. Kind of ended up working for them and really needed the achievement for beating the civil war campaign. They're not as bad as all that though. They at least have a consistent ideology that they can stick to for five minutes without shitting all over it.




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Yeah, Legion is pretty much the worst faction I've ever fought for in a game. Not the most evil, or most destructive, but by far the stupidest and most pointlessly self-righteous.
 

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Mortai Gravesend said:
I work for anyone. Total quest whore. Doesn't even need to be for xp >__>
I'm the same, I just have the manic compulsion to experience all the game. Which is really ahrd even when my character should hate a group of people.
 

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Well, I didn't quit and it wasn't a faction per say, but FFXIII comes to mind.

The game hated me so much I hated it back with vengeance. As far as I can remember that is the only game I have ever played where I wanted them all dead and the world as well. I was hated in the game yet I was supposed to save it. The world was willing to send me to seven hells, for a tattoo no less, and I was supposed to save them? What on earth for? I was supposed to support the characters in their plight, but nothing even hinting why was given; I was not part of the world you wish me to save. I was thrown in and straight from the beginning hated and hunted. I will not sympathize with you if you give me no solid reason to do so. "Saving the world" just doesn't cut it if I have never been part of that world.

I have been a fan of FF for a long time and that is the only reason I played it through. I suppose hoping against hope that "it will get better".
 

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Thaliur said:
It's not really a case of a faction that I was supposed to support but couldn't. It was more of a case of a faction that I was supposed to be against, but couldn't be against.

This would be the case of Pokemon Black (or White). I bought the game and started a new game. When I met the new villain team that isn't Team Rocket, the leader's point seemed to be the idea that Pokemon should be set free rather than captured by trainers. My jaw absolutely dropped because I thought that was the joke that was to never be mentioned, the whole capturing Pokemon and raising them to fight one another was kind of really messed up thing. However, the main villain's whole thing seemed to be centered around releasing Pokemon, and I think the argument against it was the idea that we catch Pokemon because we love them or something? I don't know, but I did not want to continue playing the game with that person as an antagonist. I could sympathize with his view, and knowing how Pokemon stories play it my character would probably foil his "evil" plan in some way. So instead I just gave it to a friend as a gift. :D
 

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Buretsu said:
Ahaha, that strikes me as something really really silly. It's like the comedically "evil" villain with the cliche mustache who would be described as some kind of dastardly fiend. That is such a convoluted and roundabout way to take over the world. xD

Although silly evil mastermind schemes aside, in a serious manner I would still vote for the release of all Pokemon over the crazy system that the Pokemon world seems to live in.
 

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Iwata said:
I came here to say exactly that. I love New Vegas, and make a point of trying to get the game as thoroughly complete as possible, but no matter how hard I try, I simply CANNOT bring myself to work with the Legion. Bunch of slavers, mass-murdering rapists and child molesters that I simply make my trigger figner itch too much.
Ickorus said:
Same here, in the end I shut down the game and didn't ever bother playing again because pretty much every faction was full of fuckheads and I didn't want to help any of them even slightly.
I know what you mean, Iwata. As much as I would love the achievements for completing the Legion's missions - I just don't have it in me to work with those bone chillingly evil SOBs. But when Boone asks if him killing Legionaries is a problem - I can only smile and tell him that killing them is only a solution. Though I never known that they were kiddie fiddlers - next time I kill 'em - it's going to make shooting them all the more satisfying.

@Ickorus: I always found myself siding with the NCR - even though they hold the idiot ball a number of times, they mean well and they had the muscle to hold off the Legion for a while. While I don't like their mandatory taxes idea given the situation - but you can at least rely upon the NCR to keep the slavers and raiders away.
 

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Truth be told, no, I've never had that feeling. In games like Fallout 3, I've basically done on missions and quests what I would do in that scenario, and it tends to work out okay on the whole anyway. Otherwise, my favourite games would probably be the Halo series and Assassin's Creed series - in Halo I can fully understand and empathise with the human plight, and that's added to with the backstory given in the novels, even if the means the UNSC use to achieve their goals are morally repugnant. In Assassin's Creed, I tend to look at everything from both an Assassin and Templar point of view, and I almost always find myself agreeing with the Assassins. I reckon I'd make a pretty good Assassin actually, if only my free-running skills were better... :p