Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart Return to X-Men

[SonicWaffle]

Ohhh! A real movie (supposedly anyway) made for teenagers to adults is better than a shittly drawn kids cartoon in the 90's aiming to please kids?! That's insane!

Oh wait, it isn't by a long shot.

Look, I don't care if the only way you feel you can validate your own existence is by trolling for reactions, but do us all a favour and do it somewhere else. The 90's cartoon is A) a nostalgic pleasure for many fans and B) recognised as a great show in its own right, as I'm sure you're aware. Decades after it debuted, it's still well-regarded both as a piece of entertainment and a representative of the X-Men franchise.

Where did the need for decent writing go? In the bin?

If you set out hoping to be displeased by what you watch so you can decry the falling standards of modern entertainment, then shockingly enough your wishes will come true. That doesn't mean you have to go around acting superior to everyone because you didn't enjoy the things they did. It's just kinda sad.

 

[SonicWaffle]

I'm going to be That Guy here, but in ordinary continuity (ie not Ultimate) Spiderman and the FF aren't mutants. Or at least not capital-M Mutants. They've mutated, but not naturally, which puts them in a different category to the X-Men whose mutation is not triggered by external influences like spiders or...like, space radition, or whatever it was.

True! Didn't stop the Sentinels from going Leather Face on 'em.

My impression was that they were doing their hero thing - ie not letting innocent civilians be butchered by Sentinels - and that our big robotic chums took umbrage at that, killing the lot of them.

 

[Red Oni]

What a great time to be a superhero fan

 

[carpathic]

And while I didn't care much for the sequels, I didn't give up on the franchise until X-Men: First Class, which delved into the early days of the hated and feared mutant group and brought in James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender to portray the characters in their younger years.

....so you only gave up on the series when it had its absolute, positive, straight up best film in the series?

How can people not love that movie? It begins with a psychic jewish kid crushing Nazi skulls, and keeps on getting better. It was completely balls out awesome, and in my top 5 best superhero movies ever.

Plus, in the second when Magneto looks at the security guard and says "There is something different about you".

Such malice, and comeuppance and everything. I just loved that scene. Never push around the wrong person.

 

[bartholen_v1legacy]

"The present-day X-Men are forewarned of the possible future by a future version of their teammate Kitty Pryde, whose mind traveled back in time and possessed her younger self to warn the X-Men."

I know it would depend a lot on execution, but on the face of it this sounds just awful.

I'm with you. The second I read that sentence I thought "That's just STUPID!" Might work in comics where silly things like that are commonplace, but in the sequel to one of the best superhero movies ever? Nope. I really hope they won't screw it up.

Huh, First Class was just awful, no really, one of the absolute worst films I saw that year. The plot was terrible, the acting (aside from Fassbender) was choppy, stiff and unnatural, Jennifer Lawrence in particular was shit. The writing was even worse and the characters were all dimwits (again except for Fassbender).


Not really looking forward to another X-Men movie like that, I mean, the second one was good and the first one was okay, but the third one was bad, First Class was terrible and Wolverine was just horrific. In fact, most comic book-movies seem ludicrously overrated, Nolan's Batman are average at best, the Avengers was entertaining, but still dumb as shit, and I haven't much love for the other ones either.

Can't there just be a comic book-movie with decent writing, like, at all? Oh wait, I guess that's an oxymoron.

PS: The Watchmen movie wasn't very great either.

Ummm... what is your problem? If you think comic book movies are dumb and childish, why have you watched so many of them? Or for that matter, commenting on news regarding one? If superhero movies aren't your cup of tea, why waste your time on them or trying to make us think the same as you?

 

[Skeleon]

I liked those two actors portraying these characters a lot. If anything returns from that trilogy, it's a good idea to make it them. Let's just hope Xavier won't die so pathetically this time around.

 

[Kajin]

Wait... People actually hate First Class?
...
Huh.

I thought it was an awesome movie. No accounting for taste in some people, I guess.

 

[SonicWaffle]

Trolling =/= stating an unpopular opinion.

Being openly hostile and relentlessly negative in a thread where other people are expressing their admiration for something, with clearly no intention to discuss relative merits = trolling.

Having unpopular opinions is fine. Stating that opinion is fine. Dumping all over people who enjoy something you don't isn't fine. There was no need for your heavy-handed sarcasm in your first response to me, there's no need for your insinuations that people who enjoy movies you don't are idiots who don't care about anything more than tits and explosions.

Atleast, that's what I knew, calling everyone who slightly disagrees with your preconseptions about quality "trolls" and announcing their opinions as "trolling" I feel you need to wake up, and realise everyone doesn't really like cartoon shows aimed at kids when they grow up.

I used the word trolling because that was how it appeared; rather than simply stating a contrary opinion, you felt the need to mock and belittle other people's opinions without giving any real reason as to why (other than "these movies are stupid and bad, and the actors are all bad, and the writing is all bad"), and it seemed like you were doing so for a reaction. Which I guess you got, so well done you. You "win".

As for the other part of your post, thankyou, but I am fully aware that not everyone appreciates the same thing I do. However, amongst the X-Men and wider comic book fandom, the show in question remains well-regarded. Holding it up as a good example of the franchise is not crazy, as you seem to think, and there was no need to act like I'm an idiot because I'm aware that some people don't stop enjoying good programmes because they consider themselves too old for cartoons.

Yeah, I'm sorry. I forgot not liking a movie you liked is wrong and dumb, sorry about that.

You keep appealing to the moral high ground, and it isn't working. You didn't like something. Fine. You're more highbrow than we poor schmucks who're grateful for anything that goes boom. Can you not find a better way to express this than "everything you like is stupid"?

 

[EeveeElectro]

I will definitely have to buy this comic. I've been saying for ages I want to start reading more X-Men comics, well here's one that sounds good!

Really looking forward to this movie. I love McKellen and Stewart and can't wait to see them acting aside the younger versions of themselves. I enjoyed the trilogy (and First Class) and I'm surprised a lot of people are moaning about them ;

There will probably be Wolverine in the next movie. Everyone loves a bit of Wolverine.

 

[itaywex]

Gandalf is awesome.

 

[SonicWaffle]

I thought trolling was being needlessly provocative to provoke a reaction, rather than being slightly hostile in the expression of ones opinion. But I guess definitions change, yes?

"Needlessly hostile" was how I interpreted your original posts, actually. Perhaps I was too quick to judge, and so I apologise.

You seem to be a little touched about someone expressing their dislike on something you like, go your way to like or dislike anything you want, all the power to you, but don't try to argue against someone else's opinions, since obviously we all like different things.

It is not the fact that you dislike it that bothered me, it was the way you expressed that dislike. Like I said above, I mistook it for trolling, but apparently I was wrong and you were just expressing dislike in a slightly aggressive fashion.

And we also seem to have a different opinion on what one could call "quality", I couldn't care less about what the X-men fandom says, since they themselves are rather biased about an X-Men cartoon. From what I've seen of it, it seems like a normal kids show, which pretty much equals bad in my eyes (there's a few great kids movies though, don't get me wrong).

Surely the X-Men fandom would be the best indicator as to the quality of the show as it compares to other media representations of the franchise? Someone who has never seen any of the movies can't say they think the TV show was a good interpretation, because what are they comparing it to?

I also disagree that kids show = bad. Given the high number of television shows ostensibly aimed at children but which find an audience amongst adults, it seems being animated or aimed at younger people is no barrier to featuring good writing, characters or acting (voice or physical). Just because there are many programmes created on the basis of "kids are idiots who'll watch any old crap" doesn't mean all of them are created with that in mind.

 

[Lardo]

Can't believe I'm the first one to point it out, but McKellEn's name is misspelled throughout the whole article...