Iceberg Landlocks Penguin Colony; More than 150,000 Dead

[McElroy]

Just found a perfect name for my autobiography: "Catastrophic Breeding Failure".

 

[mariosonicfan5]

Guys all we need to do is blast Under Pressure and the magic of David Bowie and Freddie Mercury will do the rest.

But no seriously, this is terrible. I mean who doesn't love penguins?

 

[rcs619]

I wonder what the fishes in that area would think of this situation...

Who do you think pushed the iceberg there in the first place?

I'm more concerned that no one has brought up how this might affect the local leopard seals. Won't anyone think about the leopard seals? Merciless killing-machines need love too D:

 

[Scarim Coral]

Danm, nature can be a *****. Just seeing the last part of the video (present day) was depressing as if the "docile" means depression. The look of them as if they have given hope.

It make me wonder what those nature people/ Greenpeace/ environment about this. They always comaplain when men intervene (like that cameraman saving that penguin chick years ago) but will they stand by for this?

 

[Leon Royce]

"As the planet warms you're going to get more ice melting. The reality is, more icebergs will be released from Antarctica and just embed themselves along the coastline, and make the traveling distances for some of these colonies even further than they have been."

Oh come on, you can do better than that...

 

[Xan Krieger]

But when Haiti got hit by a hurricane there was all kinds of humanitarian aid. Come on humanity, you can do better than this.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Such is nature..

The Penguins can't be relocated by external choice but the iceberg can..until the next one appears.
Should we even intervene?
Climate change is happening and part of nature, but even if you believe that mankind is at fault should we throw another spanner into the natural outcome of any event and go further down the road of unnatural selection?

You talk as if 'natural outcome' is supposed to be some kind of sacred thing.

 

[Vendor-Lazarus]

Such is nature..

The Penguins can't be relocated by external choice but the iceberg can..until the next one appears.
Should we even intervene?
Climate change is happening and part of nature, but even if you believe that mankind is at fault should we throw another spanner into the natural outcome of any event and go further down the road of unnatural selection?

You talk as if 'natural outcome' is supposed to be some kind of sacred thing.

Sacred would be using the entirely wrong word and imply attributes and connotations that doesn't belong.
We live in a universe with rules and those rules make it so that anything that can happen will happen and that which works will and that which doesn't won't.

 

[Sampler]

First you don't want me to melt the icebergs, now you do, make up your minds "scientists"!

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Such is nature..

The Penguins can't be relocated by external choice but the iceberg can..until the next one appears.
Should we even intervene?
Climate change is happening and part of nature, but even if you believe that mankind is at fault should we throw another spanner into the natural outcome of any event and go further down the road of unnatural selection?

You talk as if 'natural outcome' is supposed to be some kind of sacred thing.

Sacred would be using the entirely wrong word and imply attributes and connotations that doesn't belong.
We live in a universe with rules and those rules make it so that anything that can happen will happen and that which works will and that which doesn't won't.

Well the connotations seem to be that it is somehow apart from us and should be left alone. Not only that but talking about the rules of the universe adds to the effect, given the only actual rules are of physics.

 

[Vendor-Lazarus]

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Well the connotations seem to be that it is somehow apart from us and should be left alone. Not only that but talking about the rules of the universe adds to the effect, given the only actual rules are of physics.

In a way, it is apart from us. Yet not. Because we are aware of it happening, even to us, we can change it for ourselves and other things (including living things and non-living things).
I don't know if it should be left alone, really.
If we intervene we do take on a sort of responsibility for it and take it out of a continuous natural state of evolution.
Granted, if we decided to abandon it again, nature would take up it's mantle again but probably in a much harsher way.
Evolution and macro-evolution would seem to be the best words to describe the phenomena.
Unless there is another term I'm not aware of.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

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Well the connotations seem to be that it is somehow apart from us and should be left alone. Not only that but talking about the rules of the universe adds to the effect, given the only actual rules are of physics.

In a way, it is apart from us. Yet not. Because we are aware of it happening, even to us, we can change it for ourselves and other things (including living things and non-living things).
I don't know if it should be left alone, really.
If we intervene we do take on a sort of responsibility for it and take it out of a continuous natural state of evolution.
Granted, if we decided to abandon it again, nature would take up it's mantle again but probably in a much harsher way.
Evolution and macro-evolution would seem to be the best words to describe the phenomena.
Unless there is another term I'm not aware of.

Our decisions to change it or not would just be a part of it. We aren't some sort of independent variable.

We are part of it's 'continuous natural state of evolution' just as much as a predator or any other species they interact with is part of it. Evolution doesn't demand that the penguins die or something. It's something that happens regardless.

 

[Sonicron]

And just like that - birdocide. And mark my words, there's nothing we can do about it. Random chance has spoken, and it will not be denied.

 

[Vendor-Lazarus]

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Well the connotations seem to be that it is somehow apart from us and should be left alone. Not only that but talking about the rules of the universe adds to the effect, given the only actual rules are of physics.

In a way, it is apart from us. Yet not. Because we are aware of it happening, even to us, we can change it for ourselves and other things (including living things and non-living things).
I don't know if it should be left alone, really.
If we intervene we do take on a sort of responsibility for it and take it out of a continuous natural state of evolution.
Granted, if we decided to abandon it again, nature would take up it's mantle again but probably in a much harsher way.
Evolution and macro-evolution would seem to be the best words to describe the phenomena.
Unless there is another term I'm not aware of.

Our decisions to change it or not would just be a part of it. We aren't some sort of independent variable.

We are part of it's 'continuous natural state of evolution' just as much as a predator or any other species they interact with is part of it. Evolution doesn't demand that the penguins die or something. It's something that happens regardless.

I'd argue that we were entirely in it's thrall until we gained more and more sapience and the ability to radically alter our world and it's ecosystem at a whim.
It would depend upon if you believe in fate or free will. I think it's more of a leash than a choker or free-range myself.
We all have to abide by the rules of the universe/physics (at least until we can alter those or transcend them through Science!) but we would be making a choice to do one thing or another (or not) at any time to an ecosystem, which it can't do to itself or other ecosystems.

I see your point and you could argue that because we can do those according to physics they become part of nature but I still think sapience should count for something.
I could be mean and ask if you think something horrible is natural or okay which happens in nature but not amongst humans but that would be wrong of me so I chose not to. ,)