If Matter Replicators Existed

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IOwnTheSpire

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I'm a big Star Trek fan, and I can't help but wonder what would happen if we had matter replicators; I'm sure there'd be tons of benefits, but I feel like there'd also be negative aspects, and I thought these would be worth discussing. Let's also assume that the replicators need matter to create stuff with.

I think that it would help to be able to convert garbage or stuff we don't need into stuff we do need. I know it would mess up capitalism big time, and I'm sure some people would think that being able to get whatever you need on a whim would be a bad thing since they feel everything should be earned.
 

Zontar

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It would need to be massively regulated and protected. Like, "armed soldiers protecting them at all times" protected. Such an invention would be frightful in real life, because you'd take a piece of mass, add some energy and then have it become anything you want. Sounds nice until you realize that means every average Joe can have is own personal army of robots armed with nuclear weapons.

Just look at Supreme Commander, where whole armies can be built on the spot at any time, with a good hour or two allowing one person to make a military which rivals the entire US military in terms of firepower, and build enough nukes to destroy the world twice over. Take the ability to do that in an afternoon and turn it into a device, and that is what a replicator is.

Assuming it's heavily regulated (and thus no world ending wars happen) then we'd see an end to hunger, homelessness, most of the economy would suddenly come to a halt, most works of art would disappear outside of small independent projects and we'd all live happy lives until in a generation or two we'd be extinct because in the perfect life of post scarcity we'd probably not really have enough children for the species to survive, thus ensuring Amish dominance in the generations to come.

One thing in Trek I never understood was why ships took so long to build in the Next Gen era. Replicators where explicitly used to make spare parts on the fly, so why not use a replicator-equipped space dock to build a ship in minutes out of an asteroid and some power generators? Really could have come in handy during the Dominion War. And it's not as if the idea wasn't there, since in Enterprise they came across an alien space station which could do just that.
 

FalloutJack

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For security reasons, replicated items would be laced with a material (part of the machine's core functions and therefore unable to be removed) which would make them glow under a UV lamp, thus proving them to be replicated and unable to become, say, legal tender. Ergo, you could not build an empire of money or gold via this machine which would chug energy reserves in return. It could not give you things that you could pawn profittably like an endless supply of Ming Vases. Even if you did, the proviso 'genuine imitation' would be thrown upon it. Ergo, replicators could provide you what you need or possessions that you want for the price of energy put on your bill and nobody gets rich quick. Essentially, it would be a boon to mankind that runs out of toner and refuses to operate every now and then. Like so!

 
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Well, as far as capitalism goes, I think that energy would become the major resource and perhaps even basis for all currency if matter replicators existed. After all, almost every other resource could be created by the replicators. . . . but only if you have the energy necessary to do so.

As far as the Trek universe goes, as I understand it the replicators used a basic form of proto-matter that was reshaped by the replicators into other materials. The system had pretty severe limits on what sort of atomic structures could be shaped and certain materials simply could not be made in that fashion. That was the reason so many system components on ships couldn't be replicated.

Plus, I remember it being mentioned in several episodes that part of the security systems attached to the devices was a set of substances hard programmed into the replicators that they could not be made by the units. Poisons and the like were off limits. Now while that still leaves the possibility of a rogue engineer rigging a machine to make off-limits items, I assumed that was one of the reasons the Next Generation ships had a ship's counselor on board: to catch and provide mental health care for someone that might try something like that.

Captcha: which one is food? Stop messing with my mind, Capthca!!
 

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The economy as we know it would begin to fade, but it wouldn't happen over night, because if matter replicators came into existence, it would take a while for them to start becoming common. Another thing is that they would require a huge amount of energy, thus for them to become common, we'd at the very least need cheap and sustainable fusion power. Another thing is that Replicators are a byproduct of transporter[footnote]Also known as: Teleporter.[/footnote] technology, which requires their invention first. But assuming all the technology lined up and matured, we'd end up moving to a replicator economy, thus our values would change. We would start to value things other than our production capacity, we'd end up seeking other forms of productivity and reward. They would allow us to eliminate things like homelessness, hunger, and most base wants.

That aside, personal use replicators would need limitations, deeply set in their systems to prevent some things from being produced. Things like raw radioactive elements, poisons, harmful chemicals, and biological pathogens, would obviously be right out. Replicators would also need to imprint certain things if they produced them, for ease of tracking. For example if someone wanted to produce a firearm with one, then it'd need to have some sort of molecular mark to define it. That way if said rifle was lost, stolen, or used in a crime, it could be tracked back to it's origin point and owner. Since replicators would likely be networked, they could be used in production of restricted items at home, assuming the person doing the production is authorized to produce the item. Again using firearms as an example, this means that the home replicator could automatically run the background check on the person producing the firearm. If they don't pass the checks, the order is canceled, the producer informed of why the item cannot be produced.

Though there is one limitation I foresee, the side of home replicators would probably be fairly small. This means many things could not be produced on the spot for the owner due to size limitations. For example if your bed breaks, your home replicator is probably not going to have the size or capacity to produce a new one, even if you recycle the old one. Which means some kind of store space will exist, if it requires any exchange of currency is up for debate... Still such places will have to exist to fill the need for things that cannot be produced at home. Just thinking about it, any replicator would need a prescription to produce medication. So we'll still have to talk to the doctors when we're sick.

The positive possibilities are nearly endless though. You want to sew up some stuff and design fashion to change the fashion trends? Well replicate up some fabric, any kind you want, and get sewing. Wanna paint the next famous masterpiece? Replicate up some paints, brushes, an easel, canvas, and get painting.

People think humans will go extinct if we get rid of scarcity, but we won't, because we live in a universe full of challenges. The only things that will change are our priorities. If we make life unthinkably better, we'll still be looking for ways to make ourselves standout, make names for our selves, impress people, search things to conqure, and leave legacies to future generations. With luck we'll leave behind things like hunger and going without behind. We'll crush want because things will be so easy to produce, anyone can just have them whenever they feel the fancy. We'll just have moved past one one set of challenges, so we'll be searching for the next.
 

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When I saw this topic I assumed it would be about whether or not a person transported using such a device would the same person going in, from a philosophical sense. Would it ruin capitalism? I doubt it. Practically every new invention has been seen to threaten society by some group of Luddites.
First, efficient devices would ruin society. Then they didn't.
Then it was the increased use of various machines. Then they didn't.
Then electricity would put us all out of work. Then it didn't.
Then it was computers that would ruin us. Then they didn't.
At the moment, 3d printers are about to ruin us ...
... But they won't.
The power structures that organise society adapt with technological development; if this does end capitalism, then capitalism is just another flawed system to add to the pile with all the others that have been left behind as society develops.
 

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I see wars being fought over power supply. Power would become the only resource needed by anyone and so demand would skyrocket. I doubt it would be efficient to replicate fuel to power the replicator so that it can replicate more fuel for the replicator.

There is only so much coal/gas/oil, only so much space for solar/wind.
 

CrystalShadow

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Given current social trends, expect to see absurd DRM and other controls placed on it that limit it for completely arbitrary reasons so certain people can still make money.

On the whole though, this would radically alter society.
The whole basis of economics would collapse overnight, and people would wonder what the point in doing anything at all is.
That's assuming you don't get some jerks trying to heavily restrict the thing to keep the benefits for themselves and screw anyone else over.

Zontar said:
One thing in Trek I never understood was why ships took so long to build in the Next Gen era. Replicators where explicitly used to make spare parts on the fly, so why not use a replicator-equipped space dock to build a ship in minutes out of an asteroid and some power generators? Really could have come in handy during the Dominion War. And it's not as if the idea wasn't there, since in Enterprise they came across an alien space station which could do just that.
Really, it's a lot of arbitrary handwaving for obvious plot reasons. (If making new ships is trivial, who cares if a few get destroyed?)

I think in-universe it's argued that the power demands of matter replication, (in particular, if the admittedly non-canon technical manuals are anything to go by, the energy requirements of elemental transmutation - Turning one element into another) are unreasonably high for most uses.

There's also some vague implications about how some materials are less practical to replicate than others.
For instance, an episode of TNG implied that a medical vaccine was 'too complex' to replicate.
Which sounds like a computer memory issue if you follow the argument of how a replicator functions.

Compression errors also get mentioned at times. Indicating the replicator patterns for most objects are large enough to warrant using lossy compression on them.

Then there's an issue of raw mass.
Again, using a non-canon source, the warp coils for a galaxy class starship weigh in at a combined mass of around 1 million tonnes.
Which, aside from anything else, is 25% of the overall mass of the entire ship.

That means, that for all practical purposes, the shipboard replicators aren't going to replicate that. Even a single coil is so huge you'd never manage with the kind of matter reserves a starship could reasonably carry.
(possibly why voyager didn't replicate it's own warp coils)

Of course, that limitation shouldn't be such a big deal for a shipyard, where a large supply of matter is expected to be available.

If I had to pin it to something that makes sense given the in-universe limitations of the technology I would say the combination of the replicator patterns taking up too much space for any computer to cope with on any practical level, and the raw energy requirements being absurdly inefficient for that kind of purpose would be the most likely explanations for it.

Just because the technology exists, doesn't mean you'd use it if you need 100 times the resources as a result.
Not for something like large-scale manufacture of starships at least.
 

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Firstly, you'd destroy the economy, or at least change it to be unrecognisable.

Can you replicate more replicators? That's going to spiral out of control very quickly...the effects would be difficuly to predict, but they'd be drastic.

How does the thing require power? Cause then you need the equivalent of a 22 megaton nuclear device to make one kg of matter. Alternatively, you can transform matter into energy, and back into a new form of matter...only you want to get things right, otherwise that one kg of matter becomes the equivalent of a 22 megaton nuclear device. Even a very small proportion of inefficiency, say as waste heat would make things rather unhealthy.
 

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Zontar said:
It would need to be massively regulated and protected. Like, "armed soldiers protecting them at all times" protected. Such an invention would be frightful in real life, because you'd take a piece of mass, add some energy and then have it become anything you want. Sounds nice until you realize that means every average Joe can have is own personal army of robots armed with nuclear weapons.

Just look at Supreme Commander, where whole armies can be built on the spot at any time, with a good hour or two allowing one person to make a military which rivals the entire US military in terms of firepower, and build enough nukes to destroy the world twice over. Take the ability to do that in an afternoon and turn it into a device, and that is what a replicator is.
This right here is part of why matter replicators are a doomsday scenario. Either they're unregulated, or they are regulated, which gives the government (or whoever's in charge of regulating them) a complete and total monopoly on production.

That would be a very, very bad thing.
 

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Well for one thing, wouldn't gold, diamond and other highly valuble minials will be render worthless?
 

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manufacturing would be altered utterly since at the moment it's heavily focussed on being efficient with materials. With this the focus would shift to being energy efficient instead. As well as that, "rare earth metals" and other rare and valuable materials would become more abundant which would enable more oddball technology to be created.

It wouldn't eliminate Scarcity or Want because the scare resource would become Energy and the machines themselves.

Also, how would intelectual property work? Since a design is pretty much the only thing you can work with with these machines it would be the only way that people could be rewarded for their innovation.

The economy WOULD change but it would stay capitalist, however since people could more easily produce whatever they needed, it would no longer be Corporatist since economies of scale would be heavily diminished in most fields.
 

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I know it was stated at least once in Voyager, and implied once in Next Generation, that the replicators are programmed not to allow the creation of dangerous things.

Serious effort would have to be made to make them incredibly difficult to hack, and probably have to be connected to a database somewhere that kept track of created items and attempts at changing their programming and the like..

Then you think about unrestricted black market replicators. It sucks that a minority of us have to makes things so hard on the rest.
 

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Can these machines make amorphous tungsten? Helium in an inflated balloon?
How about a mouse? Or a star?

Can i make another replicator with it?