If you could live in a fictional world, which would it be?

IOwnTheSpire

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Zontar said:
Not Star Trek, because I don't conform to their perfect image of what the future should be like so I wouldn't be welcome in that communist dystopia and would likely find myself trying to move to one of the countless human worlds which are not part of the Federation (have you ever noticed this? I don't think it's a coincidence that there are so many human worlds in the setting not part of the Federation while most other species are homogeneous with their species and government).
What's so bad about living in a free, all inclusive, peaceful, democratic society that wants to improve quality of life for all sentient life not through force but by mutual cooperation and negotiation with a focus on exploration instead of domination?
 

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Pokemon of course. What a peaceful world to live in. What a glorious world. Also I want an Arcanine. I also want to be the very best like no one ever was.

It's either that or Hogwarts.

Or Harvest Moon. Or Rune Factory, but Rune Factory is a bit deadly. Or send me to Eorzea!
 

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IOwnTheSpire said:
Zontar said:
Not Star Trek, because I don't conform to their perfect image of what the future should be like so I wouldn't be welcome in that communist dystopia and would likely find myself trying to move to one of the countless human worlds which are not part of the Federation (have you ever noticed this? I don't think it's a coincidence that there are so many human worlds in the setting not part of the Federation while most other species are homogeneous with their species and government).
What's so bad about living in a free, all inclusive, peaceful, democratic society that wants to improve quality of life for all sentient life not through force but by mutual cooperation and negotiation with a focus on exploration instead of domination?
The fact that those who don't conform are looked down on. Just look at how Starfleet treats anyone who doesn't want to explore, or anyone who thinks it would probably be a good idea to have SOME defences against the countless neighbouring powers who are aggressive with a history of conflict with the Federation, or who just want to see some payment for a days work instead of doing it out of the goodness of our hearts.

The Federation is, when one looks at it beyond a surface glance, fucking terrifying, especially when one looks at the autonomy and authority Starfleet have over the government.
 

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Disagree there. Sure, there's a lot of nobodies in those worlds, but a lot of them are comfortably well off nobody. Having a boring job with 24th century technology in a (nominally) enlightened society is better than a boring job now. There's lots of rubbish jobs in 40k, but you could live on a civilised world in a safe region where you have to pray to the Emperor all the time but things aren't otherwise too oppressive. Being a SW would really have its downsides.

Of course, Star Trek is a terrible dystopian future full of really thick people with awful fashion sense. Also, we've seen a broad spectrum of a unified space nation and I don't remember any LGBT people...did the Federation delete them?
I don't know about that. The whole point of 40k is that everything is terrible. Even the best worlds have equal chances of being invaded by Orks or Chaos and at any given point in your life there's a 50% chance a local preacher is gonna' say you didn't praise the Emperor fast enough and take a chainsword to your stomach.
The whole point is that it sucks.

As far as gays in Star Trek, I know of one. Ensign Hawk from First Contact, who gets killed.

Also name me ONE downside to being a Space Wolf! I dare you!
 

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Canada.

OK, in all honesty, probably the Mass Effect universe. Not the Mass Effect 2 universe though, that universe sucks and is way too dark and edgy for me.
 

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Do I get to pick my occupation? Then I'll take Sith in the Star Wars universe. Either you run everything, or you're a bad-ass Outlaw on the run from pansy Jedi and everyone is afraid of you and you do whatever you want or fools get force choked or hit with lightning.

An Agent in the "Syndicate" universe. See above (minus force choke, force lightning, and Jedi).

Being a Planeswalker in the MTG universe. So much to see and do, you're ultra powerful, always an adventure if you want one.
 

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Boring?! Are you kidding?

An entire fucking country goes bankrupt and is essentially bought by another? A dating site for affairs that never had any real women on it? A talking carrot with a bad combover is the front runner for Presidential candidate? A narcissist, selfie-absorbed society that can't figure out why no one likes them? Right Wing Republicans? The Kardashians?

Dude, this is a black comedy.

Where I come from, this shit's hilarious.
Huh, y'know I never thought of this setting as a black comedy.

I always kept looking at it as one of those boring slice-of-life/coming-of-age social stories where nothing substantial happened and by the end of it you just wish all the characters would spontaneously combust.

Alright, I feel a bit better now about this setting now. Still think it could use some long distance and functional space flight but hey. I now understand where you're coming from and have a newfound appreciation for the setting as it now stands. So, sorry about before.

...Shit like this is why I'm a minor character, isn't it?
 

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Star Trek. Or some high-fantasy world. Or some world you could be a shapechanger >.>

I love my dark shit, but living there? Nope.
 

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Silentpony said:
Also name me ONE downside to being a Space Wolf! I dare you!
You mean beyond being a brainwashed religious cultist with extensive implants and genetic tampering that turn you into a giant musclebound freak that is trained only to fight and works for basically what amounts to an empire of Catholic space nazis?

Well, there's also the issue that the only thing you have to look forward to as far as life goes is a neverending number of battles against various body and brain melting nightmares that either want to kill you or eat your soul. That's if your soul isn't corrupted by one of the greater daemons of chaos that can turn you into an empty shell or meat puppet just by thinking at you too hard.

On top of that, you've got the endless horde of bug monsters that eat entire planets, the walking robot zombies that have guns that can cut through your armor like butter, the dark elf slavers that will torture you for all eternity if they catch you, and a faction of your own forces looking to have you executed, space marine or not, at even the slightest hint of chaos corruption. Some of whom, are corrupt themselves so will invent cases of chaos corruption just to give them an excuse to kill people they don't like.

Oh, also when you get seriously injured in combat, they take your body and seal it inside a giant mechanical dreadnought where you remain essentially on life support and kept in a medical coma until its time to wake you up to send you against whatever horrific foe they might be fighting at the time. All the while, your memories and personality slowly fade into the machine over the centuries as one battle begins to blur into the next in your slow inevitable march to death or insanity, probably both.

Even when you do die, you get to look forward to either being grabbed by a chaos demon and having your soul torn apart, or being "saved" by the Emperor who basically takes your soul into his own mass, preventing unending torture, but still sounds like a shitty afterlife as your soul basically becomes part of the massive gestalt that makes up the emperor.
 

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thejboy88 said:
If you had the chance to live in a fictional world, which one would you choose, and why?
Do we only choose the universe, or our position in that universe too? If just the universe, Star Trek. Because that give me the best chance of not having a shit life. If universe and position, Star Wars. Because it's time to sith the hell outaa some people... >:) I'm a lighter side sith, don't judge me... XD
 

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Dear old Tamriel seems nice. Plenty of aggressive, wild animals, perhaps, but it seems pretty damn cosy in spite of that. Life in Tamriel seems pretty decent, and there is a lot to see out there if you learn some animal repellant skills. The Empire at its more peaceful times doesn't seem to be too overbearing of a dictatorship, and if you get ill or injured, there's a decent chance someone can cure or heal you.

Preferably Tamriel at a time where the Mage's Guild exist. Provided I've got access to Magicka as well, that'd be where I'd join up.
 

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Warhammer 40k! Preferably as a Gue'Vesa.

I prefer the threats on my life to be existential and real instead of the petty bickering over SJWs and who'se imaginary sky friend is the one true one that we're stuck with in this crappy world.

Silentpony said:
Also name me ONE downside to being a Space Wolf! I dare you!
There's this whole Mark of the Wulfen thing that severely compromises your mental status and leads to you being put down like a rabid dog if you don't die in battle before then!
 

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While it is, admittedly, dangerous, I think I would have to go for Tamriel. Because Magic is just better than science.

And it seems like in Tamriel everyone has some magic ability so it is not a total stretch that I could dedicate myself to becoming a truly powerful Wizard. Anyway, aside from major wars every so often, there are fairly long stretches of peace and prosperity for most of the common people. Especially if you don't keep going into caves looking for trolls.
I'm really tempted to say this too but on the other hand, you could also get your ass stuck in a black soul gem and then it's over for you. FOREVER. O_O

Which I actually think is total BS, lore wise, and Mehrunes should go over to the Soul Cairn and start expanding his land at the very least but there you go.

I might say the Forgotten Realms as a Sorceror. (Dungeons and Dragons universe) But it's kind of like Tamriel where it seems they've always got some stupid war going on or some demon planning everyone's horrific death or whatever. Fun for the hero. Not so fun for the common folk.

I would also say Pokemon but that is brought up way too much in these kinds of threads so in its place... Ah ha! I'd say the Banjo Kazooie universe on the condition that I can pick my anthro form. Everyone's immortal it seems there, and beautiful worlds as far as the eye can see. Heck, I could even learn magics and stuff. AND everyone there is nicely mature. I actually can't think of a bad thing about it.
 

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Communist dystopia? How can it be considererd communist if money doesn't even exist? And how can it be considered a dystopia if every individual has all the food, shelter, entertainment and freedom they could ever want?
Let's see, for communism:

-Government monitors all its citizens at all times, down to 24/7 monitoring of brain activity (established in Voyager)

-Government owns all corporations and runs the economy (outside of a small farm and some restaurants, everything within Federation space is shown to be run by the government either directly or indirectly)

-Everything is distributed by the government. There are ships which can make food from combining matter and energy, yet for those of the lower classes it's easy to struggle to feed yourself for a day (Federation citizens on the fringes are often shown to be either starving or greatly impoverished when compared to the core worlds)

-No money despite trade still being a thing and currency being needed to the point that outside the Federation the rest of the Quadrant have a standardized one amongst each-other

And for the Dystopia:

-Military rule. Starfleet operates with such autonomy from the government and with such authority that when a ship enters orbit of a world on the fringe of Federation territory, it's the governor who answers to the ship's Captain, not the other way around. Said captains also act as the voice of the Federation's government on the spot when anything, and I mean ANYTHING, comes up. They almost rule the Federation directly, and almost did 3 times in 10 years with three different, independently organized coup d'etat by different members of Starfleet Command.

-Ineffective security. Starfleet, which acts as the police and guardians of the Federation, are unable to maintain security. Their security forces are shown to be so ineffective that when a criminal or hostile entity is stopped by one before it reaches its destination or accomplishes its goal it's noteworthy. It's so bad that the Federation was almost taken over by aliens which take over the brain, and that even after this near FALL OF THE FEDERATION FROM INFILTRATION they still have so little internal security that the Founders where able to run amuck for years, often times with their infiltrating being known, without any adequate countermeasures being taken. I mean hell, one glance at Starfleet Headquarters, the head of military administration, and you can see that a person can just walk in at any time without any real resistance.

-Their ships are flying bombs. This isn't a joke, their ships are literally flying bombs. Their power source is effectively a matter/anti-matter bomb that's always on the verge of going critical, which is why they have a strong tendency to blow up at the drop of a hat, and THEY PUT CIVILIANS AND CHILDREN ON THOSE THINGS. Speaking of which...

-They use children as human shields. From the Enterprise to the Saratoga, every ship in the fleet seems to have at least a few children on them, and that's when ignoring the fact that of the few which don't almost all the others have civilians on them who serve no real purpose to the mission and are only there due to being married to a crew member. This despite the aforementioned tendency of their ships to blow up due to literally being bombs with an engine strapped on, and the fact they often find themselves either being the ones to handle combat, dealing with humanitarian crisis' and doing things which, in general, should really not have civilians involved.

-No safety protocol. As was mentioned, THEIR SHIPS ARE LITERAL BOMBS. Which isn't a surprise when you remember that the engines used in the Next Gen era where designed not by a mechanic or an engineer, but by a physicist who got schooled on the subject by an actual engineer when the topic was brought up. Oh, and the engine room, which houses the bomb/power source, is often used to test things, including weapon firing tests which happen with said weapon hitting a target while being POINTED TOWARDS SAID BOMB/ENGINE, and without ANY safety signs or guards to prevent someone who isn't aware of what's happening to walk into a solid beam of death laser due to the fact that they thought the engine room was being used for engine related work.

-Their spy agency is not generally known to exist, and it has complete autonomy. Section 37, unlike its counterparts both in the real world and in the neighbouring nations to the Federation, is know to exist by almost no one, and can literally do whatever it wants without any oversight or need to answer to people. It's so far that they have committed genocide with only the loss of an agent to show as punishment for it (and even then it was due to said agent getting caught in a trap). It's even believed by some that a certain doctor who was a xenophobe was entered into their ranks due to creating memory manipulation technology (Polaski did disappear without any mention, never referenced after disappearing, and did so right after creating a way to alter people's memories)

-Nonconformity is not tolerated. Be it on the Enterprise, Deep Space Stations or science vessels like Voyager people are constantly ridiculed if they don't conform to every 'Federation' value of being smugly superior to everyone and wanting to explore the universe, but also never lift a finger to help those in need (something they have a whole policy around). And all this is bad enough if you're human, but...

-The Federation is systemically Sapien Centric. Earth is 1 of 12 founding members of the federation, one of hundreds by the time we enter the Next Gen era, yet despite that Starfleet, the government and business (which is effectively the government anyway) is dominated by humans, with only token alien presence to the point where there's only 1 all-Vulcan Starfleet ship out of thousands, and just at that there are but a handful of ships in the fleet not named after a person, place or mythology from Earth, and Earth housing both the government of the Federation, the headquarters of Starfleet, Mars housing the largest shipyard in the Federation, and hell we even have Sol as Sector 001.

That's just some of the reasons the Federation is a communist dystopia. On the surface it looks fine, but actually look into things, peak behind the curtain, and it's a terrifying thing to behold.
 
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Well most of the game worlds I play are pretty unpleasant places when you think about it. Fallout? Seems cool at first but chances are you'd just end up another half-starved, irradiated wastelander scratching out a meager existence in a bomb crater until radscorpions raid your camp at night. Tamriel? Perhaps my favorite gameworld but even if you manage to live a trouble-free life in a world of werewolves, vampires and Daedra, there's nothing stopping a necromancer raising your spirit/body dozens (or even hundreds) of years after your death to consign you to eternal torment. Metro? Same as Fallout. D&D? Same as Tamriel. Halo? Either I get to be a civilian and get killed by the Covenant or become a soldier and get killed by the Chief in his one man mission to be the biggest douche in military history. Aliens? Great, so my choices are a) get throat-raped by a demon-crab or b) get skinned as a trophy by a race of interstellar dentists from Minneapolis.

Nah, video game worlds suck because they all revolve around conflict. I'll go with a literary world if it's all the same to you:

Discworld.

[sub][sub]As long as I'm not a mime.[/sub][/sub]
 

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The Shadowrun universe! All the benefits of magic without having to give up my modern conveniences! Sure, evil corporations and Dragons rule the world, but I don't see that being much different from today.
 

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Infernai said:
Zen Bard said:
Boring?! Are you kidding?

An entire fucking country goes bankrupt and is essentially bought by another? A dating site for affairs that never had any real women on it? A talking carrot with a bad combover is the front runner for Presidential candidate? A narcissist, selfie-absorbed society that can't figure out why no one likes them? Right Wing Republicans? The Kardashians?

Dude, this is a black comedy.

Where I come from, this shit's hilarious.
Huh, y'know I never thought of this setting as a black comedy.

I always kept looking at it as one of those boring slice-of-life/coming-of-age social stories where nothing substantial happened and by the end of it you just wish all the characters would spontaneously combust.
Well...the readers need something they can relate to and empathize with.


Alright, I feel a bit better now about this setting now. Still think it could use some long distance and functional space flight but hey. I now understand where you're coming from and have a newfound appreciation for the setting as it now stands. So, sorry about before.
No worries, mate. Besides, there's some major developments around space travel in chapter MMXXII right after the aliens arrive and tell SETI to turn down the radio telescopes while they're trying to hibernate.

...Shit like this is why I'm a minor character, isn't it?
Naaah. I probably shouldn't tell you this, but you get involved in a major plot thread right after "The Great Panda Revolt"...
 

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But I find it very strange you would bring this up as an example of a dystopia when you choose the Stargate world of all places as the universe you would most like to live in. You even say in your own post how humans are the most powerful civilisation and are destined to rule over the universe as guardians of peace and order.
That's a hell of a lot more sapien centric than having naming schemes that are human normative.
It's not humans who are the most powerful civilization in Stargate, it's Earth. In the setting, the Milky Way has about only a half dozen intelligent alien species who are not just a few thousand people on a single world (the primary antagonists of the series exterminated a lot of species, as well as pretty much any industrial level human world they came across). A good 95% of the galaxy's population is human (with the number being even higher in the Pegasus galaxy) but most live between ancient agrarian and medieval level of technology. Of the 5% lest, 4 of it is one of two species that are just genetically modified humans (to the point where it's debatable weather their differences constitutes a different species or breed) with the last 1% being everything else. Earth was entrusted with protecting the humans of the universe by the species which had previously done so in the form of giving us all their knowledge (including replicators which effectively did all that a replicator logically could, like building a ship or city in front of your eyes) since we had proven ourselves worthy of taking on such responsibility. We as a world where given the responsibility to protect the humans of the galaxy, and as that was virtually all of the galaxy anyway, and most of the aliens who where not human where officially allies of Earth on top of that, it effectively made us the protectors of the galaxy at large.

Compare that to the Federation's "we're all about everyone being free and equal" while being Terra-centric to the core and it's hard to really claim they're one and the same, especially since they'll gladly leave their own citizens out to dry if it's convenient (the Federation/Cardassian DMZ).