I'm beginning to hate Valve.
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I don't hate Valve and your argument, while somewhat valid, is pretty weak. I don't like them very much though. I consider the Half Life games to be extremely overrated and I don't like the Left for Dead games at all. I did like Portal 1 and 2 though so I think Valve is alright. There are definitely much better developers though.
so you hate valve because they havent released episode 3? people dont hate EA or Capcom because they dont release games fast enough, people hate them because of fucked up business practices and shit like that. thats why people let valve get away with the fact they they arent interested in making episode 3. your complaint doesnt seem to be that valve doesnt care about quality or that they treat you like a money dispenser instead of a gamer, your complaint seems to be that you love valve games so much, you wish there were more of them
No, Gearbox built up expectations by claiming a tech demo represented the final product, which it didn't. Valve never gave any concrete details that I can find. It's nowhere near the same.Jacco said:
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go shower. defending Valve makes me feel dirty.
You can be critical of them for long development times, mediocre playtesting, and lack of concrete announcements. It's something about them you don't like.
But to hate them for not releasing a game is kind of silly.
They aren't hurting any body, they aren't gauging their customers for money, they're providing a service (which is DRM but is milder than the DRM that most hate), and they're opening up a market for indie developers.
But to hate them for not releasing a game is kind of silly.
They aren't hurting any body, they aren't gauging their customers for money, they're providing a service (which is DRM but is milder than the DRM that most hate), and they're opening up a market for indie developers.
It would help if the anti-valvers would actually spend some time to think up an argument which is not so easily shot down, all I've seen is shit comparisons that don't stand up to scrutiny and a bunch of people posting petty personal attacks on people who are fans of Valve. Like moths to a flame, every time someone posts something about how much they hate Valve you'll get 10 posting posting "people defend Valve because blah", doesn't matter how crap the original argument is, you always seem them.WanderingFool said:
There's not been a bad Valve game yet, and Valve hasn't ever made a "vertical slice demo" that proved to have 5 seconds of actual game footage in 10 minutes of demo. Boom. Difference.
Let's put it this way: A bad released game < A good unreleased one. When (if) episode 3 comes out and (if) it turns out to be as bad as Alien Colonial Marines, I guarantee you, the shitstorm directed at Valve will be about fifty times bigger than that directed at Gearbox right now.
Let's put it this way: A bad released game < A good unreleased one. When (if) episode 3 comes out and (if) it turns out to be as bad as Alien Colonial Marines, I guarantee you, the shitstorm directed at Valve will be about fifty times bigger than that directed at Gearbox right now.
I think it's never coming. They make so much money off of hats and $100 fake wedding rings that I'm sure they scoff at the idea of a solely single-player game. If there's no multiplayer, they can't really monetize Half-Life 3 out the ass.
They're either waiting for the successor to the Source engine to be finished, or they're brainstorming a way to have Half-Life be always-on without doing half-life:deathmatch again. Yes, the coolest company in the world loves Always-on DRM, mass microtransactions, and buys up little talented studios in order to assimilate them into the giant mass.
The difference between them and EA is that Valve has a fucking excellent PR team. Perception is everything.
They're either waiting for the successor to the Source engine to be finished, or they're brainstorming a way to have Half-Life be always-on without doing half-life:deathmatch again. Yes, the coolest company in the world loves Always-on DRM, mass microtransactions, and buys up little talented studios in order to assimilate them into the giant mass.
The difference between them and EA is that Valve has a fucking excellent PR team. Perception is everything.
They said ages ago they are not doing an ep 3 of half life.....guess they got bored. lol. But ive never liked valve, to me they are like EA, they are not even a game company anymore, just Steam. An making a fortune off that, why would they bother making games?
An this is the thing, people think "they dont rush stuff, thats why they are awesome" erm.....no. Thy just dont make stuff because they dont have to. Yet. They havnt even started on HF3, they are not spending years tweaking and mulling over level design until they are satisfied? People think they are, but there not. I like the half life games, but if you play them with new eyes, most of what you love is the scenery and graphics. The fighting is mediocre. A large part of it is walking around just taking in that lovely background. An the crab heads are laughable as enemies. There is no HL3 planned, if anything it will be ep3 turned into a game.
Again, as i said before, Valve is not a game company anymore since Steam.
An this is the thing, people think "they dont rush stuff, thats why they are awesome" erm.....no. Thy just dont make stuff because they dont have to. Yet. They havnt even started on HF3, they are not spending years tweaking and mulling over level design until they are satisfied? People think they are, but there not. I like the half life games, but if you play them with new eyes, most of what you love is the scenery and graphics. The fighting is mediocre. A large part of it is walking around just taking in that lovely background. An the crab heads are laughable as enemies. There is no HL3 planned, if anything it will be ep3 turned into a game.
Again, as i said before, Valve is not a game company anymore since Steam.
I would disagree. They promised 3 episodes. They gave 2 so the story isnt finished. I played HF2 on the Orange box release in 2007. A half finished game that they dont want to finish. If any other company release a game with only two thirds the content, there would be anarchy. But yet valve gets let off with the " they will get round to it one day and it will be good". They are like cowboy builders. They made people pay for an incomplete story. If EA did the same thing, people would explode from all there bitching.Silvanus said:
Am not hatin on them cos they ain't making a game that would be just stupid
I am not liking that they haven't said if they are or not, I would like to know that and a expected release
and i get the feeling that when they do, do it I wont care for it and the generation that knows HL1&2 won't care either and these kids that play games now really do nit pick at games with the entitled mentality they have now Valve will just be liek well fuck you guys too.
I am not liking that they haven't said if they are or not, I would like to know that and a expected release
and i get the feeling that when they do, do it I wont care for it and the generation that knows HL1&2 won't care either and these kids that play games now really do nit pick at games with the entitled mentality they have now Valve will just be liek well fuck you guys too.
See, your a valve fanboy. (that wasnt an insult) just that they are allowed to screw over their customers but no other company is allowed. They promised a 3 episode story, and just made 2. That was 6 years ago, do you think they are still working on it to make it a quality episode? They are not even making it. They have said this. If EA and capcom only promised a game and gave only 2/3rds of it. You would be bitching at them for that. Valve always gets a free pass.00slash00 said:
Its been 7 years. How long do they need if ep3 was "supposed" to be a part of a 3 part story. See even you dont know that they canned it years ago. An yet, you still eat there bullshit. Its nothing to do with quality. They still have budgets and development dates. Do you really think they have been making ep3 for the last 7 years? If there really was a full story to be told through ep 1 -3 then we would have an ep3. I think they half arsed it, as can be said from playing ep1 and 2 and they couldnt be bothered. Released Orange box and called it a day. An really, apart from the nice graphics, the levels on HF2 were linear.IamLEAM1983 said:
No. That wasn't an insult. Of course not. Anybody who says otherwise is being a silly goose. Yes.SonOfVoorhees said:
Damnit, where's my Deadpan Button when I need it?
OP, "fanboy" isn't a term you can throw around lightly. You *have* insulted 00slash00.
That said - let people like what they like. You might as well rail against EA all fucking day that you'd still find supporters who would claim to have seen absolutely nothing wrong with that company's business practices. You could rail against Bethesda for putting out buggy titles that people would defend them ceaselessly.
If I go by your logic, then I should call the guys at Cyan Worlds despicable sons of bitches because they haven't gone back to the Myst franchise in over ten years now, and are too busy pushing iOS ports of Myst, Riven and The Manhole to give a shit. They've put out a little iOS game called Stoneship about two or three years ago - and that's it!
I mean, they're obviously dicking with their fanbase, right? Right?!
Nope. They're not.
There's a big difference between "lying about their plans" and realizing that their plans were unrealistic.
In the mean time since that episode, we've gotten multiple great games from them, so I don't see any reason to hate them.
In the mean time since that episode, we've gotten multiple great games from them, so I don't see any reason to hate them.
Don't bother OP, a fairly large portion of this forum is convinced that Valve is perfect (or damn close) I know from experience that daring to criticize Valve just results in a valve worship circle jerk.
I said they *figured* releasing episodic content was doable. That doesn't imply a promise or some sort of engagement to the customer. They were wrong, other interests won out and, well, there you have it. Valve's now a company that prefers to seat its profits on TF2 hats and that only occasionally feels like pulling out some sort of full title.SonOfVoorhees said:
Shifting priorities. Is that somehow evil? Is that some kind of betrayal of your perceived fan base?
Fuck, I'm waiting for HL3 like everyone else, but I'm having a ton of fun with TF2 and Portal 2 as-is! They'll work on HL3 when they damn well feel like it! They're not a publicly traded company, ergo they have no shareholders to push at their backs and clamor for whatever's currently popular.
If they did, Valve would be just another Brown Shooter breeding farm.
valve fanboy (or rather, fangirl)? not really. i liked half life and portal but i never even played portal 2, or most of the games valve makes. im well aware they arent making episode 3 but i really just dont see it as screwing over customers. i think youre making a much bigger deal of this than it should be. fucking over customers would be exploiting them for financial gain. i cant think of any examples of valve doing that. i understand your complaint, that valve said they were making 3 games but stopped after 2, but thats not really comparable to EA or Activision, or Capcom. as i said, people hate those companies because of their exploitative business practices. value doesnt do that, as far as i know, so its not really a good comparison. i mean dont misunderstand, i think its really shitty that they just gave up on half life right being what seemed to be the conclusion, but do you really feel that trying to nickle and dime gamers for every little thing is as bad as deciding that theyre bored of half life and want to do something else? if so then i think we're at a stalemateSonOfVoorhees said:
The only circl-jerking I'm seeing is you and other Valve critics talking about how everyone here worships them and thinks they can do no wrong (even though no one defended them when the Federation of German Consumer Organizations threatened to sue). Lots of people do advocate for them, of course, but is that because they're biased or is Valve just that good?major_chaos said:
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