IMDB's Top Tv Shows

[aba1]

Ok so I was just surfing IMDB taking a break from work and I was curious what the top rated Tv Shows were so I decided to see what IMDB had. Now I have been studying film and the media for nearly a decade so I try to be unbiased when I score things and as such even movies and shows I like sometimes do poorly and it goes the other way that shows and movies I don't care for sometimes get decent scores because I try and give the score they objectively deserve. Anywho to the point I was really surprised by some of the shows that were up there. There was a ton of shows that really did not deserve to be even remotely be rated that high. I saw things like Dragon Ball Z, Arrow, Berserk, Big Bang Theory, Bleach, Naruto, Supernatural, How I Met Your Mother. I mean I like most of those shows I even love a few of the series (notably Berserk since the manga is so outstanding) but none of those deserve to be even remotely considered as a top show ever made on any list by any stretch. I want to stress I am not necessarily saying your shows are bad or you shouldn't like them but objectively there are a ton of shows on there that are not top tv show in the world quality.

So for discussion value does this bother anybody else? Also do any of you vote shows higher scores than they actually deserve objectively?

 

[Rawne1980]

Nope, doesn't bother me at all.

Just be lucky my wife doesn't use this forum or she'd be hunting you down .... Supernatural is her all time favourite show. My wife is no spring chicken so she's seen a lot of TV but she does love her Supernatural .... and Ghost Whisperer.

Of course people vote shows higher than some people THINK they deserve. Welcome to opinions.

I'd give shows I love a much higher score than shows I don't like.

Some people wouldn't agree with those scores and to them I say ... who gives a toss what you think?

Here is the thing, and it's the same with all media, what you think is great other people might not. While on the flip side, what other people enjoy, you may not.

What does grate on me a bit is people who think their opinion actually matters to others. Not aiming at you but I do see it a lot on this site.

"I like such and such a thing"

And the reply is....

"I disagree, it's shit and you should find it shit too".

No, just no.

 

[Savo]

I don't vote for things on the IMDB based on their "objective" value. I watched them for entertainment value, I rate them based on how they fulfilled that, being as how most other viewers are looking for the same thing. I would argue that it's all subjective anyway and that being objective doesn't prove much, but that's part of a much larger debate that I don't care to get into.

I may not understand all of them, but I'm cool with people liking these shows (Go Supernatural!). Only show that actually puzzles me is Twin Peaks; I am genuinely not sure how it got so highly rated with the second season being the way it is. It was a great show, but the first part of season 2 was pretty bad and a lot of people agree with that.

 

[Andy Shandy]

Meh, I can't say I find it that offensive.

One thing that did slightly irritate me though was Big Bang Theory being above Scrubs.

Glad to see Arrested Development as high as 6 though (even if Community should've been higher than 51)

 

[aba1]

Nope, doesn't bother me at all.

Just be lucky my wife doesn't use this forum or she'd be hunting you down .... Supernatural is her all time favourite show. My wife is no spring chicken so she's seen a lot of TV but she does love her Supernatural .... and Ghost Whisperer.

Of course people vote shows higher than some people THINK they deserve. Welcome to opinions.

I'd give shows I love a much higher score than shows I don't like.

Some people wouldn't agree with those scores and to them I say ... who gives a toss what you think?

Here is the thing, and it's the same with all media, what you think is great other people might not. While on the flip side, what other people enjoy, you may not.

What does grate on me a bit is people who think their opinion actually matters to others. Not aiming at you but I do see it a lot on this site.

"I like such and such a thing"

And the reply is....

"I disagree, it's shit and you should find it shit too".

No, just no.

I think you kinda missed the point of what I was getting at . It is awesome that your wife loves supernatural but objectively from a quality stand point it is not a very good show and the list is based on quality not preferences. Quality is something that is not subjective while preference in what people like is. If the list was for top most enjoyed shows I would be in total agreement but it is a top over all show which is about quality not preference.

But ya people can like what ever they want doesn't bother me at all these shows are there to be enjoyed just there is a difference between quality and preference.

 

[Lionsfan]

Ok so I was just surfing IMDB taking a break from work and I was curious what the top rated Tv Shows were so I decided to see what IMDB had. Now I have been studying film and the media for nearly a decade so I try to be unbiased when I score things and as such even movies and shows I like sometimes do poorly and it goes the other way that shows and movies I don't care for sometimes get decent scores because I try and give the score they objectively deserve. Anywho to the point I was really surprised by some of the shows that were up there. There was a ton of shows that really did not deserve to be even remotely be rated that high. I saw things like Dragon Ball Z, Arrow, Berserk, Big Bang Theory, Bleach, Naruto, Supernatural, How I Met Your Mother. I mean I like most of those shows I even love a few of the series (notably Berserk since the manga is so outstanding) but none of those deserve to be even remotely considered as a top show ever made on any list by any stretch. I want to stress I am not necessarily saying your shows are bad or you shouldn't like them but objectively there are a ton of shows on there that are not top tv show in the world quality.

So for discussion value does this bother anybody else? Also do any of you vote shows higher scores than they actually deserve objectively?

I think you kinda missed the point of what I was getting at . It is awesome that your wife loves supernatural but objectively from a quality stand point it is not a very good show and the list is based on quality not preferences. Quality is something that is not subjective while preference in what people like is. If the list was for top most enjoyed shows I would be in total agreement but it is a top over all show which is about quality not preference.

But ya people can like what ever they want doesn't bother me at all these shows are there to be enjoyed just there is a difference between quality and preference.

I spent a good few minutes having a chuckle at these statements.


I mean you've got the concept down of what objectivity is, but you're missing the biggest thing. Entertainment, movies, music, tv shows, is entirely subjective

 

[aba1]

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I spent a good few minutes having a chuckle at these statements.


I mean you've got the concept down of what objectivity is, but you're missing the biggest thing. Entertainment, movies, music, tv shows, is entirely subjective

You say that but if that was true there would be no classes on how to write, film, edit, draw, play instruments etc. There would be no books, techniques, teachers, or skills. If it was all subjective I could be considered a master pianist without ever having touched a piano because it is by your logic purely subjective.

How entertaining it is purely subjective but the quality is objective.

 

[Rawne1980]

I think you kinda missed the point of what I was getting at . It is awesome that your wife loves supernatural but objectively from a quality stand point it is not a very good show and the list is based on quality not preferences. Quality is something that is not subjective while preference in what people like is. If the list was for top most enjoyed shows I would be in total agreement but it is a top over all show which is about quality not preference.

But ya people can like what ever they want doesn't bother me at all these shows are there to be enjoyed just there is a difference between quality and preference.

Quality is still subjective.

Take Firefly for instance. Relatively small cast, not a massive budget and a brand sparkly new show altogether (at the time).

Quality wise (as in writing, production, acting standard and the like) I think it holds up great if you compare it to the much bigger budget, cast and known IP of the recent Battlestar Gallactica.

Subjective, because I like Firefly.

Someone who doesn't like it but loves Battlestar will call me a liar and may my soul burn in the fiery pits of hades for daring to compare anything to their glorious Battlestar (of which i'm also a fan, don't get me wrong, not putting BG down just making a point).

Hell I even loved Angel when it was on (the Buffy spin off) and i'd compare it's quality to the likes of True Blood and The Vampire Diaries (trying to pick something with a relatively similar genre). But I don't like those 2 so that's my bias.

People tend to avoid the objective side when it's something they enjoy.

They will watch things they love and praise them but you will very rarely hear "well I watched an episode of Hawaii Five-0 and while I thought the show was shit I did enjoy the direction the producer took and the way the actors handled certain situations" ..... Just doesn't happen.

If you personally are able to remain objective when viewing programs then that's fantastic. It seems to be a rare thing and you could probably write some decent reviews. The general public though, not quite so objective even when it comes down to quality over personal preference.

 

[Uhura]

the list is based on quality not preferences.

All IMDB lists are based on the personal preferences of the people who rate the movies and TV shows so I don't see what the issue is here. I also don't see the point in trying to rate films/shows etc. somehow "objectively" so as for your original question: no it doesn't bother me at all. All my IMDB votes are purely based on how much I personally enjoy the film/tv-show in question.

 

[Lionsfan]

snip

I spent a good few minutes having a chuckle at these statements.


I mean you've got the concept down of what objectivity is, but you're missing the biggest thing. Entertainment, movies, music, tv shows, is entirely subjective

You say that but if that was true there would be no classes on how to write, film, edit, draw, play instruments etc. There would be no books, techniques, teachers, or skills. If it was all subjective I could be considered a master pianist without ever having touched a piano because it is by your logic purely subjective.

How entertaining it is purely subjective but the quality is objective.

It all depends on what people think. If you put together a random smattering of notes, I guarantee someone in the world would find them appealing. Just because a vast majority of people think one way, doesn't make it "objective". Those classes you mentioned, those are all things that teach you established methods, ways of doing things that we already know people like. That doesn't mean they're objectively better, because it's impossible to quantify them. And that's what objectivity is, bringing stuff down to 100% facts, and discussing only true stuff, with no adjectives.

Again, entertainment is pure subjectivity, and it's impossible to "objectively rate" the greatest shows ever.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

The Wire is #2, behind a nature documentary series. Good enough for me.

Can't believe how high Game of Thrones is though. I spent most of my time watching it shouting at the screen.

 

[Sixcess]

IMDb's charts are dominate by armies of fanboys who vote for their favourite obsessions in absurd numbers. I don't know about tv shows, but I stopped even pretending to take their Top Movies list seriously the day The Dark Knight went higher than The Godfather.

...and I see it's still in the top 10. /sigh

 

[NiPah]

snip

I spent a good few minutes having a chuckle at these statements.


I mean you've got the concept down of what objectivity is, but you're missing the biggest thing. Entertainment, movies, music, tv shows, is entirely subjective

You say that but if that was true there would be no classes on how to write, film, edit, draw, play instruments etc. There would be no books, techniques, teachers, or skills. If it was all subjective I could be considered a master pianist without ever having touched a piano because it is by your logic purely subjective.

How entertaining it is purely subjective but the quality is objective.

If you want an objective ranking of TV shows then get them from those teachers who write books and teach classes.
But then you'd have to ask yourself, if the show meets all the requirements of being extremely high quality but the subjective masses don't find it entertaining, then do the objective measures of quality mean a rats ass?
Look, I hate Jersey Shore with all my subjective power, and I'm guessing those scholars find it objectively shit, but a lot of people find it entertaining and thus it's successful.
Tis the world we live in.