Fidel Castro was a deist, Adolf Hitler was a christian, Pol Pot went to catholic school, Kim Il-sung was brought up by people very active in their religious community.Helmholtz Watson said:
Ah it all makes sense now. Pokemon accepted. Right I'm off to the Johto League to get me some badges. Ciao!TheVioletBandit said:Simonoly said:
Not trolling, please lower flamethrowers. I didn't even realize it said the atheist thing (I'll edit that out). I just goggled evil leaders or something, and then copied and pasted the results from the first site I clicked on. I didn't intend any offense, or to instigate a religious discussion.
Please accept this Pokemon as a peace offering.
If you ask a number of athiest escapist here, they will tell you that they went to Catholic or some kind of christian school, and that their parents were religious, but that doesn't change the fact that their athiest. The same can be said for Pol Pot, and Kim-Il-Sung. Be raised in a religious background doesn't make you religious.Sunrider84 said:
I agree, but it speaks about what kind of upbringing you had. Everything from your upbringing affects what you become, good or bad.Helmholtz Watson said:
Really? People have killed in the name of communism, and one of the aspects of communism [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Religion_in_communist_states] is to get rid of religion(and thus have Atheism) so that the new man is "free". In that regard people have killed in the name of Atheism.Sunrider84 said:
You don't "have" Atheism. Atheism is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. Nothing more. Note the line "and explicitly antireligious" in that same column. That is something completely different.Helmholtz Watson said:
First off, part of communism is Atheism. Second, the CCP(a government with state atheism) have killed [http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/report-3000-chinese-christians-killed-since-2000/] Chinese Christians because they were Christian.Sunrider84 said:
And that makes Atheism immoral and evil? These people have twisted ideals that is based in communism. This is STILL a huge difference. Besides, they don't forbid all religion.Helmholtz Watson said:
Not at all, it just shows that people can kill in the name of Atheism like they can kill in the name of Religion/money/love/ect.Sunrider84 said:
I never said that they forbid all religion, just that in the name of atheism they have persecuted and killed people because they are a certain religion. Hell, if you want a better example of people who are killed for practicing religion, just look at how the Falun Gong are treated [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong#Death_Toll].Sunrider84 said:
I don't see what the "death toll road" has to do with your claim that people don't kill in the name of Atheism.Sunrider84 said:
Man, that's some fucking awesome killstreaks. Mao gets 160000 tactical nukes!TheVioletBandit said:
The difference is that atheism isn't a principle, cause, philosophy, or belief system which people fight, die, or kill for. Communism is. Communists typically regarded religious organizations as a hinderance towards their goals. If anything, we are generally looking at political issues, not a question of atheism.Helmholtz Watson said:
Even if some people were killed simply because they followed a religion, it does not follow that they were killed in the name of atheism. If we look at the Crusades for example, countless people were killed. They weren't killed in the name of theism, they were killed in the name of Christian doctrines. There is a difference.Helmholtz Watson said:
Fair enough.Helmholtz Watson said:
That Norwegian murderer from a little while back? How about Joseph Fritzel?SirDeadly said:
Chinese Christians were killed because of their beliefs by an atheist organization because they were Christians instead of atheist. They weren't killed because they supported democracy, because they wanted a two or more party system, but because they were not atheist and instead were Christian. That is killing in the name of Atheism, just like when Muslim extremist kill citizens because they are not Muslim.Sunrider84 said:
That is simply not true. Atheism isn't a belief system or ideology which can, by itself, inspire people to do things, be it good or bad. They were killed because of communism, not atheism.Helmholtz Watson said:
You do know that some people use Atheist as an umbrella term for anyone who isn't in an organized religion as Atheist right?ThePenguinKnight said:
Except when it is part of communism in which the PRC has shown that it is more than possible to be hostile towards a group of people because they are not also atheist. Your kidding yourself if you think atheist can't have a us vs them mentality and be violent towards those they view as the "them".Sunrider84 said:
I go back to my us vs them comment. The PRC has shown that they are possible of having the us vs them mentality(the "them" being Christians in this case) and that they viewed the "them" group with persecution and violence.Sunrider84 said:
I didn't say that there was a doctrine, just that Atheist have killed others because they were not atheist just like Muslim extremist have killed others because they were not Muslim.Sunrider84 said:
We probably won't. Agreed, lets agree to disagree.Sunrider84 said:
I do and have said nothing to demean that even though those people are wrong and should take the time to learn what the difference between atheism and agnosticism is. A ton of people believe atheism is a religion, that doesn't make them right.Krion_Vark said:
