In defence of the controller over the mouse for online FPS

[rossatdi]

The mouse is est for online FPS games. Your points make no sense. Your effectivly claiming that the controller limits skill - therefore making it easier for bad players to pretend they are good...

Well, thats really not the point of an online FS is it? The whoe point is to see how good you are against players. Your argument that the controller is better is ridiculous, on the basis that your claiming limiting skill is a bad thing.

I never play games on my PC (too many buttons on the keyboard and Im not buying a new video card), and considor myself pretty good at games on my 360, but why claim that controllers are better because they don't take as much skill...

For the casual crowd, yes. But I think we can assume everyone on these forums are not casual gamers.

Ah, you see, again point miss. The skills you have to develop to be good without the precise aiming are different and more subtle. The only way to get really really good at online PC FPSs is near obsessive. Something I realised when I saw people playing the blur of 200% UT and their hands moving 100mph. No bad gamer will beat a good game on a console, but an average gamer will be able to play with a good gamer without feeling powerless.

Purely being better than people is only fun to weird group of people, the fight, the competition is the fun! Who gets kicks slayin 10 newbies with 25-0 kill streak. Surely a 25-24 narrow victory is all the sweeter.

 

[D_987]

And as for calling me a casual gamer I'd like to say, no, not really not since a long long time ago. I've 100% Timesplitters 2, 100% every GTA since Vice, 3rd prestige on CoD4. Far Cry, Pain Killer, Serious Sam, Deus Ex, Doom 3, HL2 all completed on hardest modes (you ever tried Realistic Far Cry?). Plus HL 1 completed on hard, with the crosshair turned off.

Which gamertag have you done all that on then? (GTA 4, HL2 completed)

And tbh 3rd prestige on COD 4 isn't very good. Considoring you supposedly own HL2 on the 360, I'd expect you to have more than 4 achievments if you completed it.

 

[D_987]

Purely being better than people is only fun to weird group of people, the fight, the competition is the fun! Who gets kicks slayin 10 newbies with 25-0 kill streak. Surely a 25-24 narrow victory is all the sweeter.

To me, that just screams your not very good at game's. And yes, now and again a close victory is sweeter, but constantly just winning would be boring. Especially on games like COD 4 which require no skill anyway.

 

[rossatdi]

I made mistake of owning and using an xbox before getting internet connection in my flat. And honestly the GTA IV one was a combined effort with my brother on his.

I'm not going to go all "jock forum poster" on you but, ha no, if it were possible I'd say bring it. But I can't. 3rd prestige has just come from playing the natural rhythm of the game - wait I've only got second, my bad, I've not been hammering it for experience although I do try to get max level on all the weapons. Annoyingly I'd started on veteran CoD4 when I found out you couldn't transfer the data from a non-xbl account to an xbl account. Haven't felt the desire to plough through the sp mode again.

I had HL2 on the PC yonks ago but bought the 360 orange box version for myself as a present. Strange experience playing through levels you know so well with a different controller and a different seating position.

One of the many annoyances with this new gamertag system is that it assumes you never play at a friends house - i have SC4 but at my brothers we've started going through the towers, can't be arsed on my own. We only normally play the standard mode versus anyway - that character creation stuff isn't really that fun for 2 player.

Purely being better than people is only fun to weird group of people, the fight, the competition is the fun! Who gets kicks slayin 10 newbies with 25-0 kill streak. Surely a 25-24 narrow victory is all the sweeter.

To me, that just screams your not very good at game's. And yes, now and again a close victory is sweeter, but constantly just winning would be boring. Especially on games like COD 4 which require no skill anyway.

So what, easy victories are more fun for you? Why? Nothing achieved without effort is worth anything.

 

[rossatdi]

But did you beat all the levels in Peggle?

Right so at least £100 on a graphics card, at least £100 on RAM, at least £100 on mother board + processor. That's £300, $600, without audio card, the tower and all the hard drives, fans and other gubbins. And for that amount I seriously doubt it looks as nice and plays as smooth as my £200 xbox + £25 (second game) + £40 xbl. Maxed out? I'm sorry but I call bullshit on that. Yeah it might run but i bet it's not lovely and smooth.

How do you know?

Oh, and if you're at $600 with just RAM, GPU, motherboard, and CPU...Then you're doing it wrong.

:sigh:

What is your obsession with Peggle? Man you must really love that game to keep banging on about it.

Add me up the costs of your magic computer that can smoothly play CoD4 online on highest settings for under £425, with audio recording stuff. Because I have that kind of scratch kicking about now.

 

[rossatdi]

Right home time children. Catch you all tomorrow. Now remember Eggo, just because you like games doesn't mean you can't have a fully functioning social life, remember that when you switch from your internet foruming to your hardcore peggle binge.

 

[rossatdi]

Add me up the costs of your magic computer that can smoothly play CoD4 online on highest settings for under £425, with audio recording stuff. Because I have that kind of scratch kicking about now.

Moving the goal posts yet again? And what about all the personal questions you asked me? No reply to that?

Cute.

What goal posts. You said yours cost $850 didn't you? Would like to minimum cost of building a games machine capable of playing CoD4 on max for smooth online game play.

Personal questions? Oh, its just people with your attitude tend to wealthy kids leaching off their parents who've never had to pay for anything substantial themselves.

 

[cikame]

It's to do with the balance of the game via the control input, i've always enjoyed console games more because they are slower, there are no twitch shooters on the console, counter strike on the pc for example, you round a corner and die, spawn, round a corner and die. At least on the console you'll feel like you stood more of a chance because you got to see your enemy before dieing.

 

[rossatdi]

Wait, then why did you talk about audio recording stuff then? Lulz.

And here's some proof of what an 8800GT can do (excuse the JPG compression) and with smoke effects nonetheless!

Spoiler

Look, I can easily spec out a terrifying gaming machine for under $850 for you if you really want, but you're turning this control scheme dilemma into a platform dilemma when consoles (other than the Xbox 360) can use M/K and PC's can easily use controllers. So just clarify what you want to discuss and then we'll move on from there.

Just saying, I don't believe you. Things might be magically cheaper in the US. But build me this terrifying machine for £425 and I'll happily do it.

And yes, we where talking about platforms until you started mouthing off about peggle and you're supercomputer made from toilet roll and lint. And no you can't, easily, use a keyboard and mouse to play online FPSs on a console, otherwise more people would.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

It's to do with the balance of the game via the control input, i've always enjoyed console games more because they are slower, there are no twitch shooters on the console, counter strike on the pc for example, you round a corner and die, spawn, round a corner and die. At least on the console you'll feel like you stood more of a chance because you got to see your enemy before dieing.

it's true, the ability to swivel perspective via a mouse is faster than humanly possible making FPS games with a mouse more dynamic and reactive than real life.

 

[D_987]

So what, easy victories are more fun for you? Why? Nothing achieved without effort is worth anything.

Kind of like the effort it takes to be good at a control scheme?

Oh wait, you just contradicted yourself.

Eggo has a point, but theres no point arguing with this casual guy(rossatdi). He's obviously bs'ing. You can make any offline Xbox live acount a member really easily. And if you actually think COD 4 on vetren is an achievment, thats funy, I found it really easy the only difficult mission is Mile high club, and I can;t be bothred to waste time completing it for 20 G's.

And you did just contradict yourself...maybe you should actually try winning, and become a decent player before posting these stupid threads, because only one person has actually agreed with you and they admitted it was because it makes games easier.

 

[DeadlyFred]

What goal posts. You said yours cost $850 didn't you? Would like to minimum cost of building a games machine capable of playing CoD4 on max for smooth online game play.

Personal questions? Oh, its just people with your attitude tend to wealthy kids leaching off their parents who've never had to pay for anything substantial themselves.

Hey, hey... guess what? Your 360 doesn't run CoD4 at max settings.

Price isn't the issue when you start talking about PC vs console because a PC is still a freakin' PC, not a console. If the fact a "game worthy" PC is too expensive is a hinge point of your argument, your argument is nihil. I have a pretty craptastic PC and I still play games. Why? Because I like PC games.

There really is no argument here to begin with, as you are effectively comparing apples to oranges. Both platforms have their assets, both have their liabilities--neither is inherently "better" than the other for the sake of generalization. Though as I said, I don't necessarily disagree with the meat of your original post, only with the sentiment consoles' ease of use and equalized (read: marginalized) playing field makes them somehow better than a PC.

 

[shatnershaman]

So this were all the fanboys are huddled.