In Defense of Gamification

shrekfan246

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Yeah, I can't say I've ever felt exploited by The Escapist... but wait!

Just today, I saw a user with his badges arranged so that they spelled out "1984"! It must be a sign!

Also, as there is always a relevant XKCD comic:


[sub][sub]But seriously, I agree with what you're saying, Shamus.[/sub][/sub]
 

Knight Templar

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shrekfan246 said:
Yeah, I can't say I've ever felt exploited by The Escapist...
That's what annoyed me about Chris's video. I genuinely like the badge system, it has made me look at content I otherwise would not have, and it's a nice addition to the content I enjoy regardless.
 

Irradiated Tiger

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I agree with Shamus. I certainly don't think that gamification is some magical tool to ship us to the promise lands, but I don't think it's necessarily anything very harmful. To me it's just a fun little, ooh I got a shiny trinket. Meaningless and minute yes, but it doesn't hurt me and I had a bit of fun getting it.

I love Chris' stuff but I think he was a bit too heavy handed with his approach.
 

shrekfan246

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Knight Templar said:
shrekfan246 said:
Yeah, I can't say I've ever felt exploited by The Escapist...
That's what annoyed me about Chris's video. I genuinely like the badge system, it has made me look at content I otherwise would not have, and it's a nice addition to the content I enjoy regardless.
Well, I may be a bit biased because this is one of my favorite websites to constantly refresh on when I have nothing better to do, but I agree. The badge system is a fun way of encouraging users to explore parts of the website they might not normally visit, or even to go back and watch the plethora of old content that is still hosted here (LoadingReadyRun, Zero Punctuation, and Unskippable all have pretty large backlogs now, and they're all still worth watching).
 

matrix3509

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You know Shamus, your defense of the Escapist sounded really convincing. Then I remember this is the same Escapist which tried to bleed their users of $20,000 so Yahtzee could go to PAX. Then I also remember this is the same Escapist that fans the fanboy flames every March in order to get a few extra clicks. I could go about things like the Pub Club (a.k.a. The "Pay Us or We'll Annoy The Shit Out of You" business model).

EDIT: Watch me get suspended or banned for daring to criticize the almighty Escapist. Wouldn't be the first time.
 

Darkness665

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Thesis is a bit much. Premise is probably closer although spew would be my personal choice regarding that particular youtuber.
 

Imp_Emissary

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I agree Shamus. The Escapist is a very fun "game".

Also, is the word you're trying to make, POOP?

I ask because shit & F@#k are starting to bore me, the other "good" ones are too long, and the C word is just ugly.
But poop makes me giggle a little. Just a little. :)
 

snave

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My issue is when "dummy content" becomes so prominant it simply transitions into noise. And we all know the internet has enough noise as it is. To me, "gamification" risks adding to that noise. And when noise outweighs signal... you end up something like modern news sites (minus the hypothesized "reader elite" sites of the future).

Personally though, I'm not concerned. The thing is, this transition into noise will be its own undoing. I'd not want to be a "gamification package" developer or marketer right now. Simply put, for every such package they sell, the value of the existing ones decreases as users get densistised and learn to filter the systems out as another form of internet noise. Its a self-defeating production line with a limited lifespan.

I think if anything, the Escapist handles such a system fairly well for three reasons:
1. It is tailored to the site. It is not simply a generic system adapted and shoehorned in.
2. It is appropriate. This is a gaming website. The signup quest on Dropbox on the flip side had me grinding my teeth. Game is not for data storage. If, say, my bank ever pulls this stunt for its online banking site, I'll look into switching to their rival immediately as that is a realm in which noise is completely inappropriate and unacceptable.
3. It more recently has offered ambiguous badges as a means to foster creativity. Classic example is your collection of letters, with the goal being to spell out DICK or something. Or that chap(pette?) with "1984" written out under his/her name.

It's much the same as achievements in games themselves. They hold the power to act as a convenient and welcomed breadcrumb trail to content than might have been missed... but most developers abuse them. Compare it to a developer's commentary on a DVD pointing out stuff in the background or trivia. On the flip side, kill 50 orcs / post 50 new threads is so very, very bad.
 

Elementary - Dear Watson

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The badge system is in no way in your face on the escapist. It is a mere side distraction built for those who like collecting things, or some personal achievement!

To be honest I would be more worried if a site, such as this, devoted to gaming DIDN'T have any gaming mechanics to intice me! And the inclusion of gaming quizes and polls I thought were just part and parcel of a gaming website!

It would be dishonourable, however, if parts of the site were inaccessable because you didn't read 1000 articles a month and have a badge only obtainable by selling several family members on ebay! It's that type of exploitation that is wrong, not just having a feature (which let's be honest, is mostly about customisation) that is similar to that which appears in our favourite games!

So @ShamusYoung, I totally agree!
 

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I wish you could turn certain elements of the website off. The content is great, THAT's why I come here. You don't need to be throwing useless "Badges" in my face.
 

Rainboq

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I love my badges, and I enjoy the gamification, its done a good job with it.
matrix3509 said:
You know Shamus, your defense of the Escapist sounded really convincing. Then I remember this is the same Escapist which tried to bleed their users of $20,000 so Yahtzee could go to PAX. Then I also remember this is the same Escapist that fans the fanboy flames every March in order to get a few extra clicks. I could go about things like the Pub Club (a.k.a. The "Pay Us or We'll Annoy The Shit Out of You" business model).
The sending Yahtzee to PAX was an optional thing, and you didn't have to donate to it, and some people really wanted to meet Yahtzee.

March Madness really only serves to get people banned and increase traffic, and you know what? Both of those are good things, it adds some chlorine to the forum's gene pool and nets the cite extra traffic, allowing them to bring you more content.

The Pub Club stuff doesn't annoy too much, the adds aren't that intrusive and it brings them more revenue, which, as previously stated, allows for more content.
 

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If anything, I look at gamification as a way to introduce new readers or internet users to a website they may not have otherwise ever visited before. Sure, gamification can be exploitative to a certain degree, but that doesn't mean that it can't also be fun. Besides all that though, it always comes down to the user of the content. In the end, it's up to the consumer to determine whether they feel the ends justify the means. If reading through an article they may or may not be interested in is worth reward.
 

grigjd3

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I never got this intense anger at ads. Ads bring me free things that otherwise I would have to pay for. Nope, not really a problem there. I know this article is about gamification but really it is about advertising and the role that plays in our media content.
 

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Mygaffer said:
"If the only way to get them to stay for five more minutes is to give them five more minutes of free video content, you're going to go out of business."
Then prepare to go out of business.
You realize that if the Escapist went out of business, you wouldn't get ANY of their content anymore, right?
 

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Rainboq said:
March Madness really only serves to get people banned and increase traffic, and you know what? Both of those are good things, it adds some chlorine to the forum's gene pool and nets the cite extra traffic, allowing them to bring you more content.
You know, it's preferable to endless Top 10 lists and similar blatant troll-bait. Post a Top X list or "Best N of all Time!" article, and the offended, opinionated hordes beat a path to your door. I used to read guitar magazines in the early 90s, and they did this constantly.
 

matrix3509

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Rainboq said:
The sending Yahtzee to PAX was an optional thing, and you didn't have to donate to it, and some people really wanted to meet Yahtzee.

March Madness really only serves to get people banned and increase traffic, and you know what? Both of those are good things, it adds some chlorine to the forum's gene pool and nets the cite extra traffic, allowing them to bring you more content.

The Pub Club stuff doesn't annoy too much, the adds aren't that intrusive and it brings them more revenue, which, as previously stated, allows for more content.
The fact that sending Yahtzee to PAX was optional was so beside the point, the point is in another country. It is essentially "Pay for my vacation to Seattle you sycophants." All signs point to this website having the fiscal responsibility of an autistic chimp. The "Well They Have To Make Money SOMEHOW" excuse is not an actual excuse. The fact the Yahtzee had attended a con two year prior with no financial aid, and the fact that Yahtzee is the Escapist's most well paid contributor, only serves to further cast them (and Yahtzee) in a light I like to call moneyfaggery.

Oh so March Madness serves to achieve contradictory goals? Actually forget what I said about March Madness before, because the illustrates the whole thing better than I ever could.

And again, Pub Club should just be called what it really is: Sycophant's Club. Calling an ad that launches when you hit play on a video, that also prevents you from interacting with the rest of the site not annoying, and not intrusive? Okay now I know you must be some kind of alien.
 

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Thanks for that statement of the obvious, but it doesn't affect my stance. Change doesn't necessarily imply improvement, and subverting language ultimately impedes communication.