Injustice 2 Mobile celebrates Pride month....by beating up a bisexual lady

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That would be highly suspect honestly. If a corporation of any real size someone managed to not hire a PoC or LBGT person it would have to be a very long term coordinated effort company wide, and would simply be impossible to exist for any period of time in today's world. Because people would find out, and it would come to light.
See, what happens is that they hire "the best person for the job" as determined by the management and HR departments filled by legacy straight white dudes and, completely coincidentally mind you, the best person for the job is generally a straight white guy like the people already doing the job. Then they move to algorithmic selections because they're giant fucking nerds who trust computers explicitly, and they train the algorithm to think that the best people for the job are like the people already working on the job and whoops, now it's a racist bot.

Unless you think there's very good or at least perfectly explainable reasons for there to be more white CEOs named John than there are black CEOs in total.
 
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See, what happens is that they hire "the best person for the job" as determined by the management and HR departments filled by legacy straight white dudes and, completely coincidentally mind you, the best person for the job is generally a straight white guy like the people already doing the job. Then they move to algorithmic selections because they're giant fucking nerds who trust computers explicitly, and they train the algorithm to think that the best people for the job are like the people already working on the job and whoops, now it's a racist bot.

Unless you think there's very good or at least perfectly explainable reasons for there to be more white CEOs named John than there are black CEOs in total.
Maybe more people should focus less on their identity politics and worry more about becoming "the best person for the job" then.

I love how people use "white ceos" as the only possible example of success. Last a checked q black man served as President of the racist USA for 8 years.

Perhaps instead of race it boils down to work ethic. Becoming a CEO is like becoming a mobie star, something everyone wants but very very few people ever make it. So if you only use CEO as a measure of success then you are looking at the wrong metric.

Not to mention it is fairly cheap to start your own company and name yourself CEO. So what you, and everyone who blindly uses this as a metric, is CEO of a fortune 500 company. I dont know what to tell you in regards to that.

Steve Jobs didnt become CEO because he was white. It was because he had a brillant creative vision and the determination to make it work. Jeff Bezos didnt start Amazon because he was a white dude, he simply had an idea that blew up.

There really isnt a shortage of rich black dudes either. Oprah is pretty fucking rich. Every NBA and NFL player even the lower paid players turn into millionaires (unless they blindly blow it all which is their own damn fault).

It is expectations versus reality imo and i think just pointing to a fringe portion of society and using them as the only metric is a really unreasonable way of looking at things.
 

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Secondly if your standard of professionalism requires gender conformity, for example not wearing a wig, then you're kind of a dick.
My problem isnt the wig. So long at the wig is combed and doesnt look like shit then i dont care. But i dont want an employee looking like shit when they meet with customers. The business world has standards of professionalism and youd be surprised how quickly you can lose a customer with just a bad first impression.

Im well aware that Sterling is playing a character. Or at least they used do, but im not so sure that is still entirely the case. Sterling has had a reputation of bad blood when they had to deal with other people in a work environment. So i feel like my point still stands.

You can blame the cishet for making everything miserable if you want, but no business hires anyone for their individual uniqueness. They want a person to come in, do the job, and not make waves or cause internal problems.

It isnt about suppressing who a person is as much as it is about just wanting the work to be done. And most companies will try to find the most inclusive way to make everyone comfortable in the workplace and that means keep a dresscode and uniform policies and keep everyone on the same level.

Seriously no gay person is required to wear a fucking badge saying their gay. And i dont see how it would ever come up if you go to work in accounting and crunch numbers in a cubicle. Do gay people have a different body odor that i dont know about. And if someone does inquire about a significant other, be vague, or simply dont answer.

And before you scream at me again. Im not saying a person should have to hide it. Im saying it doesnt for any reason need to be brought up at a job (unless you are in porn i guess).

Just do the work and dont annoy people and holding a job is pretty easy. Liking the work itself is another story of course.
 

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Steve Jobs didnt become CEO because he was white. It was because he had a brillant creative vision and the determination to make it work. Jeff Bezos didnt start Amazon because he was a white dude, he simply had an idea that blew up.
If they had not been white males, would they have been as likely to succeed?

Last a checked q black man served as President of the racist USA for 8 years.
There was a black male president of the US, yes. There has been significantly more than one white male president

Having said that, yes, it is true that just looking at CEOs or PotUS doesn't give the full picture. That's not to say that it's without use, or that it doesn't follow general trends seen elsewhere.
 

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Perhaps instead of race it boils down to work ethic. Becoming a CEO is like becoming a mobie star, something everyone wants but very very few people ever make it. So if you only use CEO as a measure of success then you are looking at the wrong metric.
Ah, so it just happens that, in the US, and completely coincidentally, straight white males have the sort of work ethic that's particularly suited to being powerful leaders of major and wealthy institutions/corporations/governments. Or random IT departments, book authoring, doctoring, top chefs, movie stars, or really most jobs with prestige and the paycheck to match baring a handful of sports.

I don't buy it, though the implication that only straight white males are callous or ruthless enough to claw their way to the top is pretty funny. I'm just pretty sure that the actual reasons are simpler and more depressing. Reading studies where researchers submit equal quality applications with stereotypical names and counting the callbacks is a hell of a mood killer.

Although, again, it is absolutely hilarious that the TV show Ellen almost singlehandedly increased the popularity of the name Ellen for babies, until DeGeneres came out on Tv and it went back to cratering. You can see the spike and crash on a graph, it's depressingly fantastic.
 
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Anyway, Woke Brands
A) It is just advertising, and that kinda sucks, especially when it's particularly bad like this example
B) On the other hand, they're rather try and advertise to LGBT people instead of "playing it safe" to keep the bigot dollar, so that's actually cool. It being financially viable to show support for LGBT people isn't nothing.
C) On the other, other hand, yeah, they're probably just trying to sell people Injustice.
 

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Ah, so it just happens that, in the US, and completely coincidentally, straight white males have the sort of work ethic that's particularly suited to being powerful leaders of major and wealthy institutions/corporations/governments. Or random IT departments, book authoring, doctoring, top chefs, movie stars, or really most jobs with prestige and the paycheck to match baring a handful of sports.

I don't buy it, though the implication that only straight white males are callous or ruthless enough to claw their way to the top is pretty funny. I'm just pretty sure that the actual reasons are simpler and more depressing. Reading studies where researchers submit equal quality applications with stereotypical names and counting the callbacks is a hell of a mood killer.

Although, again, it is absolutely hilarious that the TV show Ellen almost singlehandedly increased the popularity of the name Ellen for babies, until DeGeneres came out on Tv and it went back to cratering. You can see the spike and crash on a graph, it's depressingly fantastic.
You mention politicians and i cant help but laugh because of all the scandals that used to crop up about senators and councilmen getting gay blowjobs in secret. Me thinks there have been plenty of gay people in power.
 

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You mention politicians and i cant help but laugh because of all the scandals that used to crop up about senators and councilmen getting gay blowjobs in secret. Me thinks there have been plenty of gay people in power.
In secret you say? As in, hiding the fact you are gay makes it much easier to get in a position of power? I wonder why that is. :unsure:
 
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You mention politicians and i cant help but laugh because of all the scandals that used to crop up about senators and councilmen getting gay blowjobs in secret. Me thinks there have been plenty of gay people in power.
...and then they promptly lost their jobs for it.

The hell kind of argument is that?
 

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...and then they promptly lost their jobs for it.

The hell kind of argument is that?
I was in my early teens when this was happening but iirc it wasnt the gay part that got them in trouble. It was having sex with someone they shouldnt have been (like cheating on their wives) and/or having sex acts in places they shouldnt. (Like work or public bathrooms).

Straight politicians also got fired for fucking hookers too. So its the embarrassment of being caught.

But if you want to frame it like it they got in trouble for strictly being gay then fine i shall retract my statement.
 

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My problem isnt the wig. So long at the wig is combed and doesnt look like shit then i dont care. But i dont want an employee looking like shit when they meet with customers. The business world has standards of professionalism and youd be surprised how quickly you can lose a customer with just a bad first impression.
The same argument could literally be used to justify any form of bigotry. All you have to do is make an assumption about who your "customer" is and what kind of person is able to relate to them, and then only hire that person. Don't want to hire black people? Well, that's okay. You've looked into it and found that your customers feel more comfortable talking to a white person. You're not being racist, you're just following the trends. You have no responsibility for where those trends lead you, you don't need to ask why your customers prefer what they prefer. You just follow the trends.

There are very few groups in society who have their appearance relentlessly examined, picked apart and judged more heavily than trans women and femmes. Cis people can walk out the house every day looking like absolute garbage and noone bats an eyelid, but trans people (and especially trans women) are somehow expected to be unclockable 24/7 in order to avoid triggering the weird cultural baggage cis people have about AMAB people dressing as women.

I say this because that wig is fine. You insist that it's uncombed, but it clearly isn't. What you're picking up on is that it's not unclockable. It's not perfect. But we're talking about someone who has been living in role for a few months. Learning how to not "look like shit" takes a long time for a cis woman. For a trans person, especially one who started out from a difficult place of not being short and not being skinny and not having a delicate bone structure, and not having their natural hair and not being incredibly wealthy it's even harder, and thus they're not always going to meet your personal standards. If you can't understand that, if you can't overlook it like you could any other person who doesn't look completely perfect every single second of every day, then you're not "professional", you're just transphobic, and so are your fucking customers.

You can blame the cishet for making everything miserable if you want, but no business hires anyone for their individual uniqueness. They want a person to come in, do the job, and not make waves or cause internal problems.
Right, but I need you to understand that you are the problem here. You are the one whining and speculating about whether other people can meet your silly little standard of "professionalism". You are the one expecting the world, and the workplace, and every single tiny insignificant little thing in it to revolve around you and people like you to the literal exclusion of anyone else. Any internal problems that would arise because you can't tolerate trans or GNC people existing in your workplace without endlessly shitting your pants about whether they're adopting the particular aesthetics that you've foolishly misconstrued as signifying the ability to work are down to you. You are the cause of that problem, and blaming someone else for your problems is really not a good look.

Also when it comes down to it, those businesses still want to be able to profit from pride. They still want to profit off queer aesthetics because it's "cool" and "on trend". They still want our insight and our creativity and our talent and our money when it benefits them, they just don't want to have to give anything in return. When you try to say that individuality has no value and that companies don't want it, what you mean is that your individuality has no value because you've done nothing of value with it.
 
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I was in my early teens when this was happening but iirc it wasnt the gay part that got them in trouble. It was having sex with someone they shouldnt have been (like cheating on their wives) and/or having sex acts in places they shouldnt. (Like work or public bathrooms).

Straight politicians also got fired for fucking hookers too. So its the embarrassment of being caught.

But if you want to frame it like it they got in trouble for strictly being gay then fine i shall retract my statement.
I mean, Matt Gaetz still has a job. Newt Gingrich is still part of the GOP. Mark Sanford became a Senator after his particularly bizarre escapade "hiking the Appalachian trail" in Argentina for a week. Fox News spent tens of millions of dollars trying to keep Bill O'Reilly around.
 
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