Injustice 2

[CritialGaming]

@ CritiacalGaming: IDK, don't you see how it's kind of an skewed generalization to make if you admittedly don't know much, if anything, about DC? (Brainiac is by no means an obscure character) I, personally, don't like the X-Men but I would never just be entirely dismissive of every X-men book ever (especially as I have barely read any of them). Feel free to not like DC, but I think it's unfair to be completely dismissive.

To be fair, I'm not dismissing DC for the sake of it. I've played DC games, seen DC movies, read a few DC books, and it is from that pool of experience that I have come to the conclusion that I think DC is mediocre at best. I don't like the characters, I don't find them interesting, relatable, or even vulnerable most of the time. It was pointed out above that DC has a reliance on God-Like levels of power with their characters and you simply can't have the same relatability in omnipotent characters that you can with much more down to Earth characters.

Let me ask you this. What real conflicts do characters like Superman and Batman deal with? What adversity do they suffer through? What challenges do they face that they cannot resolve with superpowers?

The X-Men deal with racism, persecution, being hunted and hated all the time. While they can just murder all humans, they don't, this isn't something they can solve with powers. They must solve it with actions, showing the world that they aren't something to fear and hate.

Spider-Man has to deal with holding a shitty job, trying to balance keeping his personal life away from his super hero life. He is a man who loves a lot of people and struggles with keeping them safe. Often times he is forced to choose between being with those people, or breaking away from them to keep them safe. And sometimes no matter what he does, he cannot keep the people he values safe. He deals with the fear that anyone he meets, any friends he makes, potentially puts those people at risk.

There is relatablity there.

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

@ Here Comes Tomorrow: Wally West and Kyle Rayner, there, two average, relatable guys (yes Wally Got his powers as a teen, but read the Waid or Johns stuff about his time as The Flash and tell me he's not a relatable adult).

Well, I openly said I know fuck all about The Flash. At least The Flash has a TV series to give him character ahead of the film. I assume it's the same guy/character, I don't watch it. But even DC understands that Green Lantern isn't really a poster child character. Just look at the poster for the Justice League. Even Cyborg and Aquaman made the cut. CYBORG. AND. AQUAMAN. Though Cyborg is understandable due to Teen Titans. I'm sure if the Flash series bombed he wouldn't be there. We'd have fukkin Hawkman or something.

 

[SirSullymore]

@ CritiacalGaming: IDK, don't you see how it's kind of an skewed generalization to make if you admittedly don't know much, if anything, about DC? (Brainiac is by no means an obscure character) I, personally, don't like the X-Men but I would never just be entirely dismissive of every X-men book ever (especially as I have barely read any of them). Feel free to not like DC, but I think it's unfair to be completely dismissive.

To be fair, I'm not dismissing DC for the sake of it. I've played DC games, seen DC movies, read a few DC books, and it is from that pool of experience that I have come to the conclusion that I think DC is mediocre at best. I don't like the characters, I don't find them interesting, relatable, or even vulnerable most of the time. It was pointed out above that DC has a reliance on God-Like levels of power with their characters and you simply can't have the same relatability in omnipotent characters that you can with much more down to Earth characters.

Let me ask you this. What real conflicts do characters like Superman and Batman deal with? What adversity do they suffer through? What challenges do they face that they cannot resolve with superpowers?

Here's the thing, I'm not really a big fan of Superman and Batman nor do I consider being relatable a necessary virtue to like a character (I suck, why would I want to read about somebody I relate too?) but I'll try my best. Haha

The Batman stories I enjoy the most are the ones that heavily involve his supporting cast (The Robins/Batgirls and the villains, most of whom I think are relatebale but this is about Batman) or putting Batman through the ringer. Like Arkham: A Serious House on a Serious Earth explores the lingering fear Bruce has that he is just as insane as the criminals he puts in the Asylum or The Court of the Owls storyline where he has to face the idea that Batman isn't the top tier entity of Gotham City and The Court only allows him to operate as long as it doesn't inconvenience them. Even Grant Morrison's run, which had him pretty Bat-Godish, had him deal with a son who he really didn't know how to connect with and his own inadequacy as a father figure.

Here's the thing about Superman, he's at his best when he's unrelatable. DC occasionally writes Superman as if they were ashamed of his power level (in which you get shitty storylines like "Grounded"), but in All Star Superman (my favorite Superman story), Morrison said "screw that" and just wrote a story about how unbelievably awesome Superman is and it?s great. There are some good relatable Superman stories however, like Max Landis's American Alien which was about different periods of Clarks life (starting when his powers first manifest leading up to his first encounter with a hostile threat to the Earth ) and how he deals with not knowing what he is and how someone so powerful should conduct themselves.

Here Comes Tomorrow: Well I'm sorry but if you know "fuck all" about the characters but still fell the need to condemn them as lame there's really not much I can do.

 

[CritialGaming]

@ CritiacalGaming: IDK, don't you see how it's kind of an skewed generalization to make if you admittedly don't know much, if anything, about DC? (Brainiac is by no means an obscure character) I, personally, don't like the X-Men but I would never just be entirely dismissive of every X-men book ever (especially as I have barely read any of them). Feel free to not like DC, but I think it's unfair to be completely dismissive.

To be fair, I'm not dismissing DC for the sake of it. I've played DC games, seen DC movies, read a few DC books, and it is from that pool of experience that I have come to the conclusion that I think DC is mediocre at best. I don't like the characters, I don't find them interesting, relatable, or even vulnerable most of the time. It was pointed out above that DC has a reliance on God-Like levels of power with their characters and you simply can't have the same relatability in omnipotent characters that you can with much more down to Earth characters.

Let me ask you this. What real conflicts do characters like Superman and Batman deal with? What adversity do they suffer through? What challenges do they face that they cannot resolve with superpowers?

Here's the thing, I'm not really a big fan of Superman and Batman nor do I consider being relatable a necessary virtue to like a character (I suck, why would I want to read about somebody I relate too?) but I'll try my best. Haha

The Batman stories I enjoy the most are the ones that heavily involve his supporting cast (The Robins/Batgirls and the villains, most of whom I think are relatebale but this is about Batman) or putting Batman through the ringer. Like Arkham: A Serious House on a Serious Earth explores the lingering fear Bruce has that he is just as insane as the criminals he puts in the Asylum or The Court of the Owls storyline where he has to face the idea that Batman isn't the top tier entity of Gotham City and The Court only allows him to operate as long as it doesn't inconvenience them. Even Grant Morrison's run, which had him pretty Bat-Godish, had him deal with a son who he really didn't know how to connect with and his own inadequacy as a father figure.

Here's the thing about Superman, he's at his best when he's unrelatable. DC occasionally Superman as if they were ashamed of his power level (in which you get shitty storylines like "Grounded"), but in All Star Superman (my favorite Superman story), Morrison said "screw that" and just wrote a story about how unbelievably awesome Superman is and it?s great. There are some good relatable Superman stories however, like Max Landis's American Alien which was about different periods of Clarks life (starting when his powers first manifest leading up to his first encounter with a hostile threat to the Earth ) and how he deals with not know what he is and how someone so powerful should conduct themselves.

Here Comes Tomorrow: Well I'm sorry but if you know "fuck all" about the characters but still fell the need to condemn them as lame there's really not much I can do.

First off I'm not condemning them. If you are a DC fan, then fantastic. I'm not so I dunno what to tell you.

I would like to point out that Batman is such an uninteresting character, that you freely do admit that the best "batman" stories don't really involve Batman. When the main character of your series is the least interesting character in that series, then it isn't a good series. Batman's got a few really good villians and that's about it. And the sad thing is, DC knows this. That's why the Joker is in every Arkham game, even after he "dies" they can't get away from him because the Joker is the best character in that universe.

Look I'm sure there are pretty good story arcs for every DC character. DC wouldn't have been in business for so long without something that people really like.

But I personally just don't find the characters interesting. At best they are cool in small doses, which is why I go see every DC movie and will be going to see Wonder Woman when it comes out. Though as the movie universes go on, I do find it hilarious that DC is just doing what Marvel did, except they are terrible at it. The fact that the DC movies can't hold a candle to the Marvel ones, should show the dramatic difference in the likability of the characters.

I mean for fuck's sake, Guardians of the Galaxy has been a huge hit and it revolves around characters nobody has even fucking heard of. But why are they so instantly successful? Because the characters are likable, relatable. It is important.

 

[SirSullymore]

@ CritiacalGaming: IDK, don't you see how it's kind of an skewed generalization to make if you admittedly don't know much, if anything, about DC? (Brainiac is by no means an obscure character) I, personally, don't like the X-Men but I would never just be entirely dismissive of every X-men book ever (especially as I have barely read any of them). Feel free to not like DC, but I think it's unfair to be completely dismissive.

To be fair, I'm not dismissing DC for the sake of it. I've played DC games, seen DC movies, read a few DC books, and it is from that pool of experience that I have come to the conclusion that I think DC is mediocre at best. I don't like the characters, I don't find them interesting, relatable, or even vulnerable most of the time. It was pointed out above that DC has a reliance on God-Like levels of power with their characters and you simply can't have the same relatability in omnipotent characters that you can with much more down to Earth characters.

Let me ask you this. What real conflicts do characters like Superman and Batman deal with? What adversity do they suffer through? What challenges do they face that they cannot resolve with superpowers?

Here's the thing, I'm not really a big fan of Superman and Batman nor do I consider being relatable a necessary virtue to like a character (I suck, why would I want to read about somebody I relate too?) but I'll try my best. Haha

The Batman stories I enjoy the most are the ones that heavily involve his supporting cast (The Robins/Batgirls and the villains, most of whom I think are relatebale but this is about Batman) or putting Batman through the ringer. Like Arkham: A Serious House on a Serious Earth explores the lingering fear Bruce has that he is just as insane as the criminals he puts in the Asylum or The Court of the Owls storyline where he has to face the idea that Batman isn't the top tier entity of Gotham City and The Court only allows him to operate as long as it doesn't inconvenience them. Even Grant Morrison's run, which had him pretty Bat-Godish, had him deal with a son who he really didn't know how to connect with and his own inadequacy as a father figure.

Here's the thing about Superman, he's at his best when he's unrelatable. DC occasionally Superman as if they were ashamed of his power level (in which you get shitty storylines like "Grounded"), but in All Star Superman (my favorite Superman story), Morrison said "screw that" and just wrote a story about how unbelievably awesome Superman is and it?s great. There are some good relatable Superman stories however, like Max Landis's American Alien which was about different periods of Clarks life (starting when his powers first manifest leading up to his first encounter with a hostile threat to the Earth ) and how he deals with not know what he is and how someone so powerful should conduct themselves.

Here Comes Tomorrow: Well I'm sorry but if you know "fuck all" about the characters but still fell the need to condemn them as lame there's really not much I can do.

First off I'm not condemning them. If you are a DC fan, then fantastic. I'm not so I dunno what to tell you.

I would like to point out that Batman is such an uninteresting character, that you freely do admit that the best "batman" stories don't really involve Batman. When the main character of your series is the least interesting character in that series, then it isn't a good series. Batman's got a few really good villians and that's about it. And the sad thing is, DC knows this. That's why the Joker is in every Arkham game, even after he "dies" they can't get away from him because the Joker is the best character in that universe.

Look I'm sure there are pretty good story arcs for every DC character. DC wouldn't have been in business for so long without something that people really like.

But I personally just don't find the characters interesting. At best they are cool in small doses, which is why I go see every DC movie and will be going to see Wonder Woman when it comes out. Though as the movie universes go on, I do find it hilarious that DC is just doing what Marvel did, except they are terrible at it. The fact that the DC movies can't hold a candle to the Marvel ones, should show the dramatic difference in the likability of the characters.

I mean for fuck's sake, Guardians of the Galaxy has been a huge hit and it revolves around characters nobody has even fucking heard of. But why are they so instantly successful? Because the characters are likable, relatable. It is important.

The Condemning line wasn't directed at you.

Yeah, I would like to point out that I also freely admit that I don't care for Batman, I never brought him up, you guys did.

Also, they completely changed the Guardians personalities for the movies, if it was a straight adaptation would it have been as successful? I don't know, I prefred the DnA days though.

 

[Nature Guardian]

Meh. Not hyped. It's going to be a well-crafted game...... but it's not going to bring anything new, creative or innovative in the market.

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

Here Comes Tomorrow: Well I'm sorry but if you know "fuck all" about the characters but still fell the need to condemn them as lame there's really not much I can do.

I specifically called out DCs classic, most well known pleb-tier characters in comparison to Marvels. I don't consider Flash to be one of those. The Flash and Green Lantern are not on that level of Batman and Superman.

 

[SirSullymore]

Here Comes Tomorrow: Well I'm sorry but if you know "fuck all" about the characters but still fell the need to condemn them as lame there's really not much I can do.

I specifically called out DCs classic, most well known pleb-tier characters in comparison to Marvels. I don't consider Flash to be one of those. The Flash and Green Lantern are not on that level of Batman and Superman.

I disagree, but can you name some who fit your criteria?

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

Here Comes Tomorrow: Well I'm sorry but if you know "fuck all" about the characters but still fell the need to condemn them as lame there's really not much I can do.

I specifically called out DCs classic, most well known pleb-tier characters in comparison to Marvels. I don't consider Flash to be one of those. The Flash and Green Lantern are not on that level of Batman and Superman.

I disagree, but can you name some who fit your criteria?

...Batman and Superman?

 

[SirSullymore]

Okay, I concede that no one in the DC universe is relatable given the proviso that you're only allowed to count Batman and Superman.

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

Okay, I concede that no one in the DC universe is relatable given the proviso that you're only allowed to count Batman and Superman.

Shocking that I would think that an average person would immediatly relate DC comics to Batman or Superman. Clearly I'm some kind of insane person.

 

[Worgen]

It looks like its pretty good, if it came out on pc then I would at least wait till it was on sale to get it. ACG who does good reviews gave it a high score.

 

[bjj hero]

Is Superman a bad guy again? Like are they literally rehashing the exact same idea from the first game?

Either way DC comic heroes are dumb, they lack everything that makes superheroes good or interesting. And I don't need another fighting game when Tekken 7 is about to come into my life and I'll once again be able to Kung Fu the shit outta some ballsacks.

Which system? Ill see you there.

Im not playing another DC game until it is a must have teen titans go title. If Cyborg isn't saying Booyah! Im not buying.

Ive not played a DC game since Gotham Imposters and that had no DC heroes or villains in it.

 

[SirSullymore]

Okay, I concede that no one in the DC universe is relatable given the proviso that you're only allowed to count Batman and Superman.

Shocking that I would think that an average person would immediatly relate DC comics to Batman or Superman. Clearly I'm some kind of insane person.

I'm pretty sure a good number of people know Wonder Woman and Flash.

I don't even know why I'm getting into this argument since I disagree with it's very premise(DC sucks because the characters are unrelatable and people's gramndma's don't know them)

 

[SirSullymore]

Is Superman a bad guy again? Like are they literally rehashing the exact same idea from the first game?

Either way DC comic heroes are dumb, they lack everything that makes superheroes good or interesting. And I don't need another fighting game when Tekken 7 is about to come into my life and I'll once again be able to Kung Fu the shit outta some ballsacks.

Which system? Ill see you there.

Im not playing another DC game until it is a must have teen titans go title. If Cyborg isn't saying Booyah! Im not buying.

He said it in the first Injustice and I know some of his shaders in 2 are called Booya!, that's all I got.

Time will tell if the story has a Tacos vs Burritos argument.

 

[CritialGaming]

Is Superman a bad guy again? Like are they literally rehashing the exact same idea from the first game?

Either way DC comic heroes are dumb, they lack everything that makes superheroes good or interesting. And I don't need another fighting game when Tekken 7 is about to come into my life and I'll once again be able to Kung Fu the shit outta some ballsacks.

Which system? Ill see you there.

Im not playing another DC game until it is a must have teen titans go title. If Cyborg isn't saying Booyah! Im not buying.

Ive not played a DC game since Gotham Imposters and that had no DC heroes or villains in it.

PC probably. I dont like the idea of having to pay for online service twice.

 

[bjj hero]

PC probably. I dont like the idea of having to pay for online service twice.

I dont think my pc will run T7. Why is cross platform play not a regular thing now? It should work in any game not and FPS or RTS title.

 

[Paragon Fury]

So playing IJ2....why can't we get a Marvel fighting game that does this?

I mean yeah, we have Marvel vs. Capcom. But that is really more of a silly fighter and not terribly competitive considering how the series is known for it's ridiculously OP characters and how easy it is to cheese.

Why not just get a straight-up, serious fighting game like Injustice, but for Marvel? You can't tell me that beating the shit out of Dr. Doom as Iron Man or throwing Wolverine around the room as X-23 wouldn't be awesome.

 

[SirSullymore]

So playing IJ2....why can't we get a Marvel fighting game that does this?

I mean yeah, we have Marvel vs. Capcom. But that is really more of a silly fighter and not terribly competitive considering how the series is known for it's ridiculously OP characters and how easy it is to cheese.

Why not just get a straight-up, serious fighting game like Injustice, but for Marvel? You can't tell me that beating the shit out of Dr. Doom as Iron Man or throwing Wolverine around the room as X-23 wouldn't be awesome.

I know! Superheroes are perfect for fighting games! Marvel can totally stand on its own without Capcom characters (especially now). What was the last pure Marvel fighting game? X-men next dimension? Marvel Nemesis (if you count it)? At least MvCU has a story mode.

Also, get those MK characters out of Injustice please!

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

So playing IJ2....why can't we get a Marvel fighting game that does this?

I mean yeah, we have Marvel vs. Capcom. But that is really more of a silly fighter and not terribly competitive considering how the series is known for it's ridiculously OP characters and how easy it is to cheese.

Why not just get a straight-up, serious fighting game like Injustice, but for Marvel? You can't tell me that beating the shit out of Dr. Doom as Iron Man or throwing Wolverine around the room as X-23 wouldn't be awesome.

Competitively-speaking, MvC is hella better than Injustice, and I am no fan of MvC. It isn't silly as much as being very free-form allowing you to do anything you like. On the opposite realm, Injustice is highly-limiting, preventing you from even having access to half of the attacks during neutral.

For example, say you do a triple punch attack, that third punch, you can't ever just do that one by itself without first doing the other 2 punches before it. This means that when you're just playing neutral and trying to land a hit, you only have access to the few "starter punches/kicks" that then branch out to further moves, so neutral is extremely boring due to that. In contrast, marvel lets you use ANY attack during that phase, meaning that you get a much more competitively rich environment with a lot of factors for people to jostle with.


Now, Marvel has some huge issues, mainly the overly-lenient assists allowing for people to do stupidly unsafe stuff and get away with it as well as the entire xfactor system and some chars are quite OP and I vastly prefer tatsunoko vs capcom which is the game engine mvc3 was based on but at least you feel like you're playing an actual fighting game when you play marvel while in injustice you don't even get to hitconfirm but you just mash a string with any timing at all and just pray to god it hit and then you either get punished/block or do a combo if it actually landed. What you're supposed to be doing is time each hit in a string as the one before it has hit and hit DIFFERENT buttons based on you noticing weather or not the prior button landed. When the game is like that, when it removes hitconfirming, it removes complex neutral, it makes timing buttons not needed for combos etc. you just can't get the actual experience competitive players seek, and if you check out registrations in most tourneys you will notice that as well.