Insomniac "Not Working" on the Wii U

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Insomniac "Not Working" on the Wii U



Insomniac CEO Ted Price is excited about next generation consoles but doesn't consider the Wii U one of them.

Nintendo's suffered a few setbacks in its efforts to bring third party developers to the Wii U. While it boasts support from companies like Ubisoft and Disney, there have been an increasing number of studios indicating that they're going to pass on developing for the console. Just Cause 2-developer Avalanche Studios recently said its Wii U dev kits were <a href=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/123851-Just-Cause-2-Developer-Says-Wii-U-Dev-Kits-Are-Collecting-Dust>"collecting dust." Similarly, Battlefield-makers DICE have said its new Frostbite 3 engine <a href=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/123835-DICE-Says-Tests-on-Wii-U-Not-Too-Promising>likely won't run on the Wii U, potentially limiting future releases from the developer and publisher Electronic Arts.

Now, Insomniac Games founder and CEO Ted Price has said the company is currently foregoing Wii U development. "We're not working on games for it," said Price, answering a fan inquiry during a Reddit Q and A session. Price expressed greater interest in next generation consoles. "When it comes to PS4 I'm excited that they seem to lowering barriers for independent developers. It's cool to see almost weekly announcements from Sony explaining how they're opening things up for indies. And of course I'm very excited to see what Microsoft announces soon." Price didn't count the Wii U in the category of next generation consoles. "Wii U is something I'd consider more current gen."

It's worth noting that Insomniac, the studio behind Resistance, Ratchet & Clank and the upcoming game Fuse, is only one company. That said, Price's comments highlight a problem Nintendo could potentially face more of in the future. With Wii U sales <a href=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/123514-Iwata-Admits-Nintendo-Didnt-Try-Hard-Enough-To-Make-Wii-U-Success>lower than expected and its user base still relatively small, developers might opt to forego development for the console. This may not be a live or die problem for Nintendo, which has often been able to rely on its stable of first-party games for success. That said, it could prove an obstruction to the company's efforts to court third party developers and expand the Wii U's beyond fans of its core franchises.

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Well this is unexpected.... *trying to keep a straight face*

Seriously, I can't stop laughing about how stupid Nintendo has been with the development of the WiiU(NoGoodHardware)...
 

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nodlimax said:
Well this is unexpected.... *trying to keep a straight face*

Seriously, I can't stop laughing about how stupid Nintendo has been with the development of the WiiU(NoGoodHardware)...
It's not quite that time yet, the 3DS was looking pretty stupid in it's first year and Nintendo managed to push through. At there worst case scenario they've still got the Zelda/Mario/Metroid millions who are going to go for them no matter what and that can make the platform hard to ignore

...but by the end of the year I'll be laughing too :p The 3DS didn't have the competition. We're still waiting on Sony telling us the PS4 will cost $1 bajillion and MS are ready to announce that you now have an optional $20/day 'service', where after paying they'll show you some ads and then maybe let you get to the start screen of your game ...but barring complete failure I can't see the Wii U keeping pace
 

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Has Insomniac made anything for the XBox either? I thought they were almost exclusively Sony anyway. I expect I'm wrong, since that would kind of negate the point of the article, but I honestly can't think of anything Insomniac has made for a console that is not of the PlayStation brand.
 

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Lvl 64 Klutz said:
Has Insomniac made anything for the XBox either? I thought they were almost exclusively Sony anyway. I expect I'm wrong, since that would kind of negate the point of the article, but I honestly can't think of anything Insomniac has made for a console that is not of the PlayStation brand.
Fuse is being made with an EA partnership, and I think is going to be on the 360 too. Though I think they also have a division within the company that works on mobile games too? But ya, mostly Sony and I agree with your thoughts ("We won't work with WiiU" says developer who's 90% of games are with Sony platforms).
 

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still think this is a pretty chicken and egg thing here

i don't really know where sony's bar is, we only have the words of others to go on
 

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Has Insomniac made anything for the XBox either?
Besides Fuse and a Flash game, nope. In almost twenty years Insomniac have all but exclusively worked on Playstation titles.

Which makes me wonder why this is news, it's like Naughty Dog or 343 announcing they won't be making Nintendo compatible titles. Did Sony put them up to this? Hey not-quite first party studio, spread some FUD about a competitor for us please.
 

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fix-the-spade said:
Lvl 64 Klutz said:
Has Insomniac made anything for the XBox either?
Besides Fuse and a Flash game, nope. In almost twenty years Insomniac have all but exclusively worked on Playstation titles.

Which makes me wonder why this is news, it's like Naughty Dog or 343 announcing they won't be making Nintendo compatible titles. Did Sony put them up to this? Hey not-quite first party studio, spread some FUD about a competitor for us please.
I think the problem is that, now outside maybe one franchise, Insomniac is going fully third party and willing to work with more then just Sony. Considering I believe they want to make more Fuse games, meaning you would probably expect it to hit Wii U, but now it is doubtable.
 

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Lvl 64 Klutz said:
Has Insomniac made anything for the XBox either? I thought they were almost exclusively Sony anyway. I expect I'm wrong, since that would kind of negate the point of the article, but I honestly can't think of anything Insomniac has made for a console that is not of the PlayStation brand.
They stopped doing Sony exclusives and parted ways. Now they're developing for Microsoft and Sony with plans to make PC games. So it's news because a developer was actively looking to go multiplatform and decided the Wii U wasn't worth their time.

It's not news in the respect that lots of Nintendo fans are going to be disappointed. (Which is a shame because Ratchett & Clank rocks)
 

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The Wii U is 2 years too late. I'm sure it'd be more exciting then. And if they didn't call it the Wii U. Man, Captain Hindsight needs to visit the Nintendo headquarters.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Does anyone really consider the Wii-U next gen?
I recall a guy on this site making a thread weeks ago trying to convince people the Wii U was a next-gen console. Not surprisingly his reasoning had more holes than a spaghetti strainer and he convinced absolutely no one.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Does anyone really consider the Wii-U next gen?
Die-hard Nintendo fans I think consider it next gen. Frankly it feels like a console that's finally catching up to this gen. I mean the system is about as much an upgrade as the smaller versions of the 360 and PS3 were. I would say that I wish Nintendo would bring their A game back to the console party, but I think they lost it somewhere between the Gamecube and Wii.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Does anyone really consider the Wii-U next gen?
If people consider the Wii to be in the same generation as 360/PS3, and not in the PS2/GCN/Xbox generation, there's no reason why Wii U shouldn't be considered the same generation as PS4/Nextbox.

I think it's a bit ridiculous that devs aren't supporting the Wii U because it's not "next-gen", anyhow. The belief that you aren't moving forward if you're creating a game on a platform with weaker specs just doesn't hold up; it's not the size, it's how you use it, etc.

I'm not going to argue that their time is better spent supporting the Wii U than a platform on which they can fully achieve the vision for their game, but I would argue that thinking laterally is just as beneficial as thinking vertically. The Wii U has just as many opportunities for great games as the PS4/Nextbox if they'd only give it a chance.
 

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So... Where is Jeffers to glorify Nintendo and try to smite the Insomniac heathens? :/
 

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Scribblesense said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Does anyone really consider the Wii-U next gen?
The Wii U has just as many opportunities for great games as the PS4/Nextbox if they'd only give it a chance.
No it doesn't. By definition, older hardware imposes greater limitations. Graphics, AI, all less on the U.
 

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Eri said:
No it doesn't. By definition, older hardware imposes greater limitations. Graphics, AI, all less on the U.
By definition, the PS4 is older hardware. (Than a similarly-priced PC, priced when the PS4 actually launches.)
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Does anyone really consider the Wii-U next gen?
By the textbook definition of the term (meaning the time period in which it is released), yes, it is next-gen.

People for some reason seem to think that the "generation" of a console has something to do with its graphics, despite the fact that it never has or will. The term "generation" has been around long before video games were even a "thing", and the definition as it applies to video game consoles has ALWAYS been to refer to the time period during which a console was released. Thus it is technically accurate to state that the Wii U and Ouya are both part of the next console generation, though you could easily argue they're in different tiers of competition.

I've never understood WHY people make this mistake, because graphical quality has never been the case with regards to generation gaps in consoles. The term's always referred to the time period of release. If it were based on graphics, there'd be way more "generations" than there are right now and they'd be much more spread out across much larger periods of time, since within each generation the consoles very rarely had the exact same graphical specifications.

Now, it's fair to say that the graphics and hardware of the Wii U make it feel more like a console trying to catch up to the more powerful consoles from the current generation. But it's still technically "next-gen" by virtue of being created several years after the previous generation of consoles.

People need to use their words properly. It's fine to attack Wii U for its flaws, just attack it the right way. "Its hardware is terrible" is acceptable and can be discussed in a civil forum....whereas "it's a last gen console" makes you look like you don't know what the word "generation" means and should be sent back to high school to complete a remedial English.
 

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Lvl 64 Klutz said:
Has Insomniac made anything for the XBox either? I thought they were almost exclusively Sony anyway. I expect I'm wrong, since that would kind of negate the point of the article, but I honestly can't think of anything Insomniac has made for a console that is not of the PlayStation brand.
FUSE

FUSE

and

FUSE

That's all they've made for the Xbox 360, and it isn't even released yet. That said, I still wish they'd consider PC gaming since the 360 is basically a budget PC in a console shell.
 

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A company that has spent the majority of it's career making Sony exclusives and is making it's first ever third party game published by EA is not making a game for a Nintendo system?

I'm shocked. So shocked. I just can't believe it.

 

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I could have sworn Insomniac was a Sony-exclusive production house...I admit I could be wrong about that but I'm still going to wonder out loud about 343 studios developing for the U. In all honesty though; it would be nice if more companies were developing for the U. Oh well, the big names are still being developed so as long as we get the Nintendo properties most-is-well for me.
 

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The Wii U is reminding me more and more of Dreamcast... except in Dreamcast's case it was actually ahead of its time.
 

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KeyMaster45 said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Does anyone really consider the Wii-U next gen?
Die-hard Nintendo fans I think consider it next gen. Frankly it feels like a console that's finally catching up to this gen. I mean the system is about as much an upgrade as the smaller versions of the 360 and PS3 were. I would say that I wish Nintendo would bring their A game back to the console party, but I think they lost it somewhere between the Gamecube and Wii.
^^This. People point out "Oh the Wii U is getting cool adult games like Deus Ex. Its a next gen console!" Except I got to enjoy Deus Ex when it came out years ago. Nintendo is literally playing catch up on games that should have come out for the Wii. There's no excuse. Hardware may have not been important in the GC, ps2, xbox era but it became important this gen and Nintendo dropped the ball and we got a retread of gamecube-like games with motion controls and slight internet connectivity

Bottom line, I consider the Wii U "next gen" in big finger quotes. We will see some interesting games from Nintendo (probably) but other developers have been dealing with the Wii U's level of tech for 7 years and are ready to move on

Korten12 said:
So... Where is Jeffers to glorify Nintendo and try to smite the Insomniac heathens? :/
I like how he's that famous for being the escapist's official Nintendo fanboy. We all must have argued with him at some point. He probably had an aneurysm when he read the title. Or he's still typing his rage post about how this is "completely unfair".

To be honest, he doesn't seem all that bad when he's not talking about Nintendo :\



Edit:
Best description of the Wii U: It is next gen, but looks an awful lot like the last gen
 

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I would get a WiiU But:
1. I travel almost every day, as such I need to carry my gaming with me. Enter my laptop, phone and DSi.
2. I want to play games I can't on my laptop.
3. At home the TV is still CRT so I think it would be a waste.

As a result of this I can't see myself getting any new consoles. I do like Nintendo though and consider the WiiU a next gen console.

bollocks, double post
 

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CriticKitten said:
You know, language has a way of changing and evolving.

When a word no longer fits its previous definition it changes.

That is happening to the word 'generation' in gaming, as it hasnt been around long and its really still trying to find its place.

If 1/3 of consoles being pushed out are constantly underpowered and only really comparable to the consoles that came before it, definitions will adjust for that.

Personally while the Wii U may technically be considered eighth generation by current definitions I would consider it to be a proper entry in the 7th generation, or maybe somewhere around 7.5
 

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Meh, never been a fan of Insomniac Anyways (I tried a Ratchet and Clank game, but I never really got into it. Wasn't a fan of the PS2 either). Still, at least they come out and admit they aren't working on the WiiU, unlike some developers I know who say they are when they really aren't (Cough cough EA cough cough), so at least they're honest. I still wish them luck with Fuse though.
 

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Isn't Insomniac only developing things for Sony, and has been doing so for... forever? I'm surprised they'd say anything positive about anyone else than sony.
 

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Isn't Insomniac only developing things for Sony, and has been doing so for... forever? I'm surprised they'd say anything positive about anyone else than sony.
No, they're about to release Fuse which is PS3 and 360, and I believe they said they're going to also start releasing games for PC.
 

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Eri said:
Scribblesense said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Does anyone really consider the Wii-U next gen?
The Wii U has just as many opportunities for great games as the PS4/Nextbox if they'd only give it a chance.
No it doesn't. By definition, older hardware imposes greater limitations. Graphics, AI, all less on the U.
The argument you make is pretty much flawed and has already been proven wrong by the success of the wii in the last gen. Arguing that the wiiU is underpowered and therefor impossible to develop for is also a silly argument to make, as most developers won't come close to bringing out things that truly look and behave differently from what we can get on current gen hardware; at least, not for a while. Hell the PS3 is more powerful then the 360, and unless you are play VERY specific games (like God of war 3) you can't even really tell how powerful that console is.

Here is the problem... it's no longer a matter of means, it's a matter of money. Look how amazing Avatar (the movie) looks. That's where CGI technology is now. So why does WarZ and other CGI heavy movies look like they were made a decade ago? Because that's what they can afford to do, and Avatar grade CGI is out of the reach of most movie makers. Most developers only have the resources to make games equivalent to what we have now, and they cannot afford the money, time and resources it would take to make something that looks and behaves truly next-gen. Hence why so many people are talking about a coming crash. Why do you think so many studios are closing down right now? So many people are being let go? The industry is restructuring itself in preparation for a change a lot of them know they cannot make.

Seeing all these companies gloat that their new so&so engine won't work on the wiiU is an irrelevant and pointless statement to make, especially when so many more companies can only produce wiiU/360/PS3 quality games anyway.
DVS BSTrD said:
Does anyone really consider the Wii-U next gen?
I do, in the fact that it is centered frivolous gimmick nonsense rather then gaming, just like the PS4 and Xbox Infinity are. It is very much next gen, yes. Behold the bright future of gaming!
 

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So...? Insomniac is a Sony studio. Not to mention they've given up on making good games.
 

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I cannot describe in words the utter amusement theses threads provide. Not because I think Nintendo is going to "pull through and be awesome", I don't think that at all, but the 'selective memory' being displayed is just astonishing. A terrible start for the PS4 is basically guaranteed already; Sony's launches loose more and more momentum with each console. It took the PS3 a whole gen to catch up with it's competitor in sales. I wonder how these new A.D.D. ridden gamers will feel about a new console, especially once they realize it can't do anything but play a few launch games (no backwards compatibility) and then the tumbleweeds will set in and everyone will be predicting doom and gloom, like they did with the PS3/3DS, not realizing that games take time to make, now more then ever.

With costs rising as high as they have, and the casual market playing with yoyos and chasing butterflies; all three consoles are going to have an up hill battle on their hands. Insomniac and other developers are saying bad things about the wiiU and good things about the PS4/Xbox Infinity. That's fine, but just remember that developers also bullshitted everyone about how awesome the wiiU was and how many games they were going to make for it to, and that was just at the start of this year. Don't let their boasting hype you into a delusional state. At least make them work a little to manipulate you.
 

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Too bad no matter HOW powerful something is, guys like Insomniac always squander the potential of said power.
 

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So...? Insomniac is a Sony studio. Not to mention they've given up on making good games.
Insomniac is no longer a Sony studio. They went multiplatform
 

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Eri said:
Scribblesense said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Does anyone really consider the Wii-U next gen?
The Wii U has just as many opportunities for great games as the PS4/Nextbox if they'd only give it a chance.
No it doesn't. By definition, older hardware imposes greater limitations. Graphics, AI, all less on the U.
The games on the WiiU may be behind in terms of specs compared to games on the other consoles but I believe the touch-screen controller more than makes up for it. The extra-screen provides opportunities for games that would be impossible to pull off on the other consoles and this is where the WiiU can really shine. I'd even say it has more opportunities because of this. Developers need to take advantage of it and do something -forgive my language- innovative. As j-e-f-f-e-r-s has pointed out many times before, a proper console strategy game could be produced! Asymmetrical gaming with the Pro Controller, hell even NDS-style aiming with the touch-screen.
 

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I bought the Wii U to play nintendo games. As long as nintendo is still making games, I can't bring myself to care about whether Ratchet and clank or Just Cause three is going to be available on the wii U. If I'm going to play a bland Triple A game I'll buy it off steam and play it on my computer so that the shades of grey and brown will look much smoother.
 

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and .... ?

They make shooters now it seems so I couldn't care less WHAT they make or what it's for.
 

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This has nothing to do with the WiiU's power and everything to do with its sluggish sales. If the WiiU started selling a at much higher volumes then developers would be releasing games for it. Of course that is a bit of a chicken and egg issue.
The other thing the WiiU has going against it is that because it will be so much weaker than the two major new consoles coming out it may take more work for a multiplatform release to support the WiiU, discouraging large AAA games from making an appearance on the WiiU. Time will tell how this all shakes out. Perhaps all the consoles will see sluggish sales and the age of consoles is coming to an end.
 

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You know, language has a way of changing and evolving.

When a word no longer fits its previous definition it changes.

That is happening to the word 'generation' in gaming, as it hasnt been around long and its really still trying to find its place.

If 1/3 of consoles being pushed out are constantly underpowered and only really comparable to the consoles that came before it, definitions will adjust for that.

Personally while the Wii U may technically be considered eighth generation by current definitions I would consider it to be a proper entry in the 7th generation, or maybe somewhere around 7.5
Except that's not what is happening here.

This isn't language "changing and evolving", this is several very stubborn people ignoring the definition of a word that everyone else uses, simply because they want it to mean something other than what it actually means.

"Generation" refers to a time period. Not the quality of the graphics. If you want to hate on hardware, fine, but stop butchering the English language while you do.
 

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By the textbook definition of the term (meaning the time period in which it is released), yes, it is next-gen.
Can I get a citation on that? I don't think I've ever seen a definition for "console generation" and would be grateful to read a "textbook" one.

Thanks :D
 

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Tanakh said:
CriticKitten said:
By the textbook definition of the term (meaning the time period in which it is released), yes, it is next-gen.
Can I get a citation on that? I don't think I've ever seen a definition for "console generation" and would be grateful to read a "textbook" one.

Thanks :D
Go get a dictionary and look it up. Shouldn't take you very long. :p
 

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CriticKitten said:
Desert Punk said:
You know, language has a way of changing and evolving.

When a word no longer fits its previous definition it changes.

That is happening to the word 'generation' in gaming, as it hasnt been around long and its really still trying to find its place.

If 1/3 of consoles being pushed out are constantly underpowered and only really comparable to the consoles that came before it, definitions will adjust for that.

Personally while the Wii U may technically be considered eighth generation by current definitions I would consider it to be a proper entry in the 7th generation, or maybe somewhere around 7.5
Except that's not what is happening here.

This isn't language "changing and evolving", this is several very stubborn people ignoring the way that everyone else uses the definition of a word because they want it to mean something other than what it actually means.
Everyone else meaning "those that want to say it the way I like." if I wanted to play that game I would retort that only fan boys and girls are being stuborn and consider the WiiU a member of the next generation, everyone else considers it a proper entry into the current generation.

And there is no real definition of "Console Generation" if we were going by REAL definition of the word generation the Game cube, Wii, WiiU, XBox, Xbox 360, Xbox Infinite, Playstation 2, Playstation 3, and Playstation 4 are all part of the same generation as an accepted generation is roughly 30 years.
 

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Go get a dictionary and look it up. Shouldn't take you very long. :p
If it was that easy I would have just googled it. In fact I don't think there exists a single definition of "console generation" from a reputable source, you seemed to know one, that's why I was asking.

If you do not know... I suggest not to act like it in your posts.
 

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People can complain all they want about hardware specs with processing power and RAM, but at the end of the day, if a game can run on the PS4 or the NextBox (infinity was just some joke on Reddit), it can run on my PC. All I need is a 360 controller or a PS3 controller and MotioninJoy. If a game can run on the Wii U, it can still run on my PC, but I would need a custom rig for the touch screen and motion controls. That is why I mainly care about the Wii U for the 8th gen. It's the only home console that I can't just replace with a PC (barring exclusives, of course).
 

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The Apple BOOM said:
People can complain all they want about hardware specs with processing power and RAM, but at the end of the day, if a game can run on the PS4 or the NextBox (infinity was just some joke on Reddit), it can run on my PC. All I need is a 360 controller or a PS3 controller and MotioninJoy. If a game can run on the Wii U, it can still run on my PC, but I would need a custom rig for the touch screen and motion controls. That is why I mainly care about the Wii U for the 8th gen. It's the only home console that I can't just replace with a PC (barring exclusives, of course).
Actually, WiiU and Wii controllers can be used very easily with the PC, they are just bluetooth devices that connect wirelessly to a dongle you can pick up for 20 dollars or so.

I was playing Halflife 2 with the Wii motes for the novelty of it years ago!

Hell if you own a Wii you can just download a Wii Emulator for your PC and run the games BETTER than the console they were designed for!
 

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CriticKitten said:
Go get a dictionary and look it up. Shouldn't take you very long. :p
If it was that easy I would have just googled it. In fact I don't think there exists a single definition of "console generation" from a reputable source, you seemed to know one, that's why I was asking.

If you do not know... I suggest not to act like it in your posts.
I guess I'm to presume that the folks at Wikipedia just made it up then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_games

Turns out it really is that easy to find. Took me five seconds and I didn't even have to try that hard.

So the fact that you didn't find it means you weren't trying. You're precisely the sort of person I'm talking about.

Desert Punk said:
Everyone else meaning "those that want to say it the way I like." if I wanted to play that game I would retort that only fan boys and girls are being stuborn and consider the WiiU a member of the next generation, everyone else considers it a proper entry into the current generation.
Except that we know that isn't how it works, because a true definition does in fact exist.

So really it's more like a person trying to pretend that giraffes don't exist because there is no definition of "giraffe" while ignoring the multitude of evidence that giraffes exist.

Stop pretending that giraffes don't exist.

And there is no real definition of "Console Generation" if we were going by REAL definition of the word generation the Game cube, Wii, WiiU, XBox, Xbox 360, Xbox Infinite, Playstation 2, Playstation 3, and Playstation 4 are all part of the same generation as an accepted generation is roughly 30 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_games
http://segaretro.org/Generations_of_video_games

Two links which refute your point. Not to mention the abundance of other links throughout the internet which refer to console "generations".

Can we stop pretending that a well-defined term doesn't actually exist and use English, now?
 

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Tanakh said:
CriticKitten said:
Go get a dictionary and look it up. Shouldn't take you very long. :p
If it was that easy I would have just googled it. In fact I don't think there exists a single definition of "console generation" from a reputable source, you seemed to know one, that's why I was asking.

If you do not know... I suggest not to act like it in your posts.
I guess I'm to presume that the folks at Wikipedia just made it up then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_games

Turns out it really is that easy to find. Took me five seconds and I didn't even have to try that hard.

So the fact that you didn't find it means you weren't trying. You're precisely the sort of person I'm talking about.

Desert Punk said:
Everyone else meaning "those that want to say it the way I like." if I wanted to play that game I would retort that only fan boys and girls are being stuborn and consider the WiiU a member of the next generation, everyone else considers it a proper entry into the current generation.
Except that we know that isn't how it works, because a true definition does in fact exist.

So really it's more like a person trying to pretend that giraffes don't exist because there is no definition of "giraffe" while ignoring the multitude of evidence that giraffes exist.

Stop pretending that giraffes don't exist.

And there is no real definition of "Console Generation" if we were going by REAL definition of the word generation the Game cube, Wii, WiiU, XBox, Xbox 360, Xbox Infinite, Playstation 2, Playstation 3, and Playstation 4 are all part of the same generation as an accepted generation is roughly 30 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_games
http://segaretro.org/Generations_of_video_games

Two links which refute your point. Not to mention the abundance of other links throughout the internet which refer to console "generations".

Can we stop pretending that a well-defined term doesn't actually exist and use English, now?
Alright, I will accept One of your links
http://segaretro.org/Generations_of_video_games

Seventh generation

Time period: 2004 to present.
The WiiU is part of the current generation.
 

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Alright, I will accept One of your links
http://segaretro.org/Generations_of_video_games

Seventh generation

Time period: 2004 to present.
The WiiU is part of the current generation.
And the other one doesn't.

And neither do any of the thousands of other sites out there that say otherwise.

But I know you're just going to keep harping on that point ad infinitum like you've won some sort of big victory, so I'll save my energy.
 

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The Wii U is reminding me more and more of Dreamcast... except in Dreamcast's case it was actually ahead of its time.
I'd say its more like the Saturn. Released before any good games got on it while making the 3rd party publishers not want to support it.
 

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Hmph.

I don't care about this. Rewind a few years and you see the same stuff regarding the PS3. Remember when it was so complicated and weird to develop for that no one wanted to do it?

The only ball nintendo has dropped is that theres STILL no mario, link, or metroid out for the wii u. Whats the point of a new wii without a new metroid mario or link? They could have delivered it this month and it would be grabbing all the headlines.
 

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Protip - Don't try to argue with someone who thinks :-

A : Wikipedia is a credible source for citation
B : Thinks that "The guys from Wikipedia" actually create every page themselves
C : Really, that guy thought both of the above were true

;), I love the internet sometimes.
 

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Does anyone really consider the Wii-U next gen?





OT: This really isn't surprising, Insomniac has pretty much been a Sony developer since the beginning. Now, if it was EA, or Activision that came out and said "nope.mp3" then I might be a bit more surprised.


But really, when you essentially re-release your console with the only major addition being a really weird controller that is used in very awkward gameplay mechanics [ZombiU, anyone?], with the next generation of consoles nearing their reveals and releases, what can you expect other than developers not wanting to waste time with your console when, yet again, newer consoles are just about to be released.


It would be like Sony or Microsoft immediately reveal the Playstation 5 and Xbox 1080: Extreme Snowboarding Edition right after launch of the PS4 and Xbox 720.
 

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I guess I'm to presume that the folks at Wikipedia just made it up then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_games

Turns out it really is that easy to find. Took me five seconds and I didn't even have to try that hard.

So the fact that you didn't find it means you weren't trying. You're precisely the sort of person I'm talking about.
Ahh... bro, what I asked for was:
CriticKitten said:
By the textbook definition of the term (meaning the time period in which it is released), yes, it is next-gen.
Guess I was hoping for a intensional definition of it, you know, an actual definition. The link you gave me never defines what a console generation is (like at all, unless my memory betrays me) or what is required to be in one, but it is obviously not the "time period" of release because several generations overlap, thus I would recommend you to reconsider your posts.

It does says that the WiiU is part of the eight generation, however I fail to see why. They could as easily grouped it in the seventh, or having it being the first of the ninth. In the old times the processing power seemed to be the reason to inaugure a new gen, as such it could easily be put on a ps3 generation.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Does anyone really consider the Wii-U next gen?
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KeyMaster45 said:
Scribblesense said:
Well if we look at the word "generation" it's something that refers to time and not how effective something is.
And since (is it gen8??) the WiiU is 1 year earler than the next PS and Xbox, while the wii, 360 and ps3 are from around 2006, I guess the English language really decides it is in the current generation.


Is it as powerful as the PS and Xbox in 6 months?
with a 98% chanse it's not.

Did Nintendo fail?
Remains to be seen, the WiiU has been out 6 months, who knows what happens in the future?

Also as someone mentioned already, having a dev that has released 95% of it's games on the PS and never earlier on a Nintendo console this isn't really news, it's like asking Ferrari to make me a birthdaycake.

There, happy now that someone defended the console? :D
 

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A : Wikipedia is a credible source for citation
B : Thinks that "The guys from Wikipedia" actually create every page themselves
C : Really, that guy thought both of the above were true
Wikipedia is a great source, especially for hard sciences like math or physics. Not so much for stuff where opinion is an issue.
 

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No-one considers the Wii-U next gen. Just because it's released around the time of the next console gen's kick-off (not even that really) definitely doesn't make it next gen. Especially considering the mediocre hardware they put in it which, is easily surpassed by current gen consoles. The limitations on the Wii-U are countless and will only become more glaring as time moves on.

Besides, Insomniac makes games for gamers not casuals, which is all Nintendo has been interested in nowadays.

Lest we forget; Nintendo are forcing developers , yet again, to force gimmicky nonsense into their game design. Nintendo couldn't care less about difficulties they impose on developers and that will come back to bite them when only a select few bother to develop for it.

Enough with the gimmicky crap Nintendo; stop with the production of electronic toys, you're a game publisher, publish some decent games again and all will be well.
 

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Well if we look at the word "generation" it's something that refers to time and not how effective something is.
And since (is it gen8??) the WiiU is 1 year earler than the next PS and Xbox, while the wii, 360 and ps3 are from around 2006, I guess the English language really decides it is in the current generation.
I see this argument far too often (it was already used once in this thread), and calling it an argument is rather generous if you ask me; a smart-ass remark by people trying to sound clever is more like it. It can, however, still be countered by pointing to a pair of other Nintendo products; the gameboy advanced and DS.

The two are without question in two separate generations of hand-held consoles, however both saw multiple incarnations within their generation. Though I believe this defies the scholarly definition of generation, their base models and subsequent siblings are still lumped into two distinct generations by the gaming industry. The GBA saw the release of the GBA SP, and the DS has seen the DS Lite, DS XL, and DSi. Going further back we can also look at the Gameboy, Gameboy Pocket, and Gameboy Color. [footnote]Since a GB Color game could still be played on the original Gameboy, just without the color.[/footnote][footnote]Though really the GBA was just a widescreen GB Color; hence the ease of backwards compatibility[/footnote]

Though these many separate pieces of hardware most assuredly carry different functions and build upon the previous models they are still considered to be within only three distinct console generations when spoken of within the gaming industry and community. This is why the WiiU is not considered to be a next generation console. Nintendo has produced what is essentially a new Gameboy; it's the same system as its predecessor but with more bells and whistles. That it will be made obsolete within the year only cements that reality.

The point I'm driving at is that the word generation has a different meaning in the realm of gaming; it's jargon we toss around that has little attachment to it's definition in Webster's or Oxford's dictionary. Trying to use that definition as a basis for negating valid criticism and arguments is annoyingly pointless.
 
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I just bought one for Monster Hunter...


That's how badly I want to play Monster Hunter right now.

I hope they release more Monster Hunter :3
 

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Scribblesense said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Does anyone really consider the Wii-U next gen?
If people consider the Wii to be in the same generation as 360/PS3, and not in the PS2/GCN/Xbox generation, there's no reason why Wii U shouldn't be considered the same generation as PS4/Nextbox.

I think it's a bit ridiculous that devs aren't supporting the Wii U because it's not "next-gen", anyhow. The belief that you aren't moving forward if you're creating a game on a platform with weaker specs just doesn't hold up; it's not the size, it's how you use it, etc.

I'm not going to argue that their time is better spent supporting the Wii U than a platform on which they can fully achieve the vision for their game, but I would argue that thinking laterally is just as beneficial as thinking vertically. The Wii U has just as many opportunities for great games as the PS4/Nextbox if they'd only give it a chance.
Next-gen or not is not the problem. It's whether they can recoup their development cost.

There is a reason no one developers for the PS2 anymore.

Sure you can burn money and make a Wii U game ... which will be stand next on the shelf to a PS4/Xboxwhatever game. Come Christmas, when people might be in the mood to get a next-gen console, which "bundle" do you think they will get?
 

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Ya ya ya, the WiiU is underpowered compared to other consoles, nothing will run on it, it's old tech, there's just nothing you can do. Blah blah blah tech stuff blah blah


At least you know Nintendo will support their console with lots of good first part titles, even if nobody else will, just like they have to every generation.
 
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Ya ya ya, the WiiU is underpowered compared to other consoles, nothing will run on it, it's old tech, there's just nothing you can do. Blah blah blah tech stuff blah blah


At least you know Nintendo will support their console with lots of good first part titles, even if nobody else will, just like they have to every generation.
Nintendo will support it's own console with Nintendo titles?

I must alert the masses and spread the word!

'Nintendo will release Nintendo games on it's own console!'


Truly, thank you for opening my eyes.


[sub]Too much? :D[/sub]
 

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Guffe said:
Well if we look at the word "generation" it's something that refers to time and not how effective something is.
And since (is it gen8??) the WiiU is 1 year earler than the next PS and Xbox, while the wii, 360 and ps3 are from around 2006, I guess the English language really decides it is in the current generation.
I see this argument far too often and calling it an argument is rather generous if you ask me; a smart-ass remark by people trying to sound clever is more like it.
IT'S A BINGGGOOOOO!!!

That's exactly what I did there, be a smart-ass!
Just because I could, semi-trolling so to say.

There was a thread a few days ago in which the OP asked which "classic debate" you hate the most, my answer being "the console war".
I hate this debate to every little inch of it. The thing is, I started playing on the NES/SNES and when I started to understand games a little I got the N64. At the pinnacle of my gaming I had the GameCube which I played a lot of games on. Then there came the Wii, which I actually liked, I had no problems with the motion controll in any game, not Skyward Sword, not Force Unleashed, not Red Steel (II), not DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi (II and III).... I don't know if that's because I am good at using it or just such a bad gamer that I don't notice its flaws. Now I have the WiiU and have played over 10 games on it already, Batman, AssCreed, Darksiders etc. All being ports but also ZombiU and Nintendoland being the best party game by a mile in YEARS! And old Wii games I still hadn't got/played.

I play Nintendo because of one reason, I like it, I don't care if people call them "not this gen", "underpowered", "a gimmick". For me that plays no role. I play games because I like/enjoy them, Nintendo has yet not dissapointed ME so I stick with them. Fuck the PS/Xbos has futuristic hardware stuff, I don't care. I like my nintendo and until I AM disspaointed I'll continue buying their consoles and games. This is the only reason that matters to me, how much I enjoy my/their games.

And at least among my friends and gamers in my town, most have stuck with the same console they started with, if we want another experience you can always try them a friends.

I got a bit going there because I seriously don't care what people think about me and my gaming habits, I play a console I like, hell the last game I payed was Ocarina of Time on N64 which I finished yesterday, and that hardware is some serious blasphemy to the current gen?? So how can I play that??!!
Play games you enjoy, on consoles you like, and stopping acting like some superior being. All consoles have their faults and all have their good parts, in the end it's all a matter of taste!
 

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Go back to Sony Insomniac you're drunk. Seriously though, the first game they make for cross platform seemed interesting before the EA Marketing department came into a design meeting.
 

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can we just accept "Console Generation" as "the point at which games are not forward compatible"?

the PS2 couldn't play PS3 games, the gamecube couldn't play wii games, the xbox couldn't play 360 games, the wii can't play wiiU games, and the PS3 won't play PS4 games.

the pattern has repeated itself since the beginning of gaming, and that's the one pattern all console generations share other than their lifespans.

plus, do people REALLY want people to be comparing the PS4 to a last gen console? "oh? it's better than the wiiU is it, whoop de fucking doo, newsflash: my PS3 was better than the gamecube"
 

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Well if we look at the word "generation" it's something that refers to time and not how effective something is.
And since (is it gen8??) the WiiU is 1 year earler than the next PS and Xbox, while the wii, 360 and ps3 are from around 2006, I guess the English language really decides it is in the current generation.
Fine it's a next-gen console ... with last gen's hardware.

A next gen console case with last gen's internals.

Happy?

A Ferrari with a Ford Model-T engine is still a Ferrari right?
 

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KelDG said:
Tanakh said:
Protip - Don't try to argue with someone who thinks :-

A : Wikipedia is a credible source for citation
B : Thinks that "The guys from Wikipedia" actually create every page themselves
C : Really, that guy thought both of the above were true

;), I love the internet sometimes.
Wikipedia is a perfectly credible source. More so than not having one, in fact. While it's true that Wikipedia can be sabotaged by other users, in general it contains far more citations and credible information than virtually any other site on the internet. Which is why, even though many academics frown upon you using it directly as a source, no one will bat so much as an eye at you using Wikipedia's citations as a source for your information (even though in general the content from both sites are nearly identical).

So basically, the negative stigma surrounding Wikipedia is pretty stupid, perpetuated only by keyboard warriors who want to dismiss valid criticisms of their stance by pretending that Wikipedia is always wrong simply because it's an open source reference guide.

Speaking of which, where's YOUR sources proving me wrong?

Oh, don't have any? Thought not. Bye then.

Tanakh said:
Guess I was hoping for a intensional definition of it, you know, an actual definition. The link you gave me never defines what a console generation is (like at all, unless my memory betrays me) or what is required to be in one, but it is obviously not the "time period" of release because several generations overlap, thus I would recommend you to reconsider your posts.

It does says that the WiiU is part of the eight generation, however I fail to see why. They could as easily grouped it in the seventh, or having it being the first of the ninth. In the old times the processing power seemed to be the reason to inaugure a new gen, as such it could easily be put on a ps3 generation.
Why would the Wii U be grouped as part of the seventh generation when it was released five years after the previous generation's last entry?

Generations overlap because people continue to make games for the older generations after a new generation begins, and a generation doesn't officially "end" until games are no longer made for it. That is why numerous generations overlap, it's got nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with sales and usage of their software. This is why when people refer to the exceedingly long time span of time that XP was in service, they include several years of Vista's lifespan as well: because many people were still using it and development of software was still done with XP in mind. People didn't just stop using XP altogether, they kept using it for many years after Vista was already out, thus those years of usage are still counted among XP's many years of service. Software, not being largely concrete in its nature, will tend to produce overlap until the people developing for it decide to quit. Hardware can often work the same way, provided it's phased in and out (like military hardware often is).

So, again, you're pretending that an established definition doesn't exist when it most certainly does. And the only reason that you're pretending it doesn't exist is so that you can live in a fantasy where the new Nintendo console isn't part of the "next generation" simply because it severely lags behind in processing power. Which is just ridiculous.

The Wii U's hardware sucks. Fair enough. Perfectly acceptable if you think so. But let's stop trying to pretend it's not an eighth generation console entry, because it's already been widely accepted as one. That's why I'm okay with posts that say things like this:
deadish said:
Fine it's a next-gen console ... with last gen's hardware.

A next gen console case with last gen's internals.

Happy?

A Ferrari with a Ford Model-T engine is still a Ferrari right?
And not fine with things that say this:
DVS BSTrD said:
Does anyone really consider the Wii-U next gen?
One is a perfectly valid criticism of the new console's lacking hardware. The other is a stupid point of view perpetuated by people who refuse to acknowledge that "generation" has a definition and that they're using it wrong.

Know the difference.
 

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Wikipedia is a perfectly credible source. More so than not having one, in fact. While it's true that Wikipedia can be sabotaged by other users, in general it contains far more citations and credible information than virtually any other site on the internet. Which is why, even though many academics frown upon you using it directly as a source, no one will bat so much as an eye at you using Wikipedia's citations as a source for your information (even though in general the content from both sites are nearly identical).

So basically, the negative stigma surrounding Wikipedia is pretty stupid, perpetuated only by keyboard warriors who want to dismiss valid criticisms of their stance by pretending that Wikipedia is always wrong simply because it's an open source reference guide.

Speaking of which, where's YOUR sources proving me wrong?

Oh, don't have any? Thought not. Bye then.
Wikipedia is not a credible source, it has links to citation which CAN be credible, but I bet you can't provide a credible source from the article you linked before.

Oh while you were riding your high horse, you probably didn't notice but I did not take sides in the argument so I don't need to prove anything, especially to you, I frankly thing your argument with the other guy is stupid. I just pointed out Wiki is not a credible source and anyone who thinks it is, is a complete MUPPET.

You mention academia, there is a reason Wikipedia is not accepted as a source for references, it is because Wikipedia does not hold the credible information, but only links to it, and it is these sources that should (and would) be used. Even heavily moderated pages with correct information are not accepted for this reason. Have fun passing anything but high school with your logic.

So back at you, where is your source in your Wikipedia page that proves you right. Not got one? Nope? Bye then.
 

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SNIP-A-LOT

So back at you, where is your source in your Wikipedia page that proves you right. Not got one? Nope? Bye then.
I don't have a link to Video Game Console Generations Definition. But here is the Definition of a Generation, Courtasy of Dictionary.com [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/generation]:


gen·er·a·tion

noun
1.
the entire body of individuals born and living at about the same time: the postwar generation.
2.
the term of years, roughly 30 among human beings, accepted as the average period between the birth of parents and the birth of their offspring.
3.
a group of individuals, most of whom are the same approximate age, having similar ideas, problems, attitudes, etc. Compare Beat Generation, Lost Generation.
4.
a group of individuals belonging to a specific category at the same time: Chaplin belonged to the generation of silent-screen stars.
5.
a single step in natural descent, as of human beings, animals, or plants.

Based off of the standard word, Generation, we can assume that a Video Game Console Generation would fallow the same trend: a group of video game consoles, with the same approximate age, same time frame, and as a single step within their natural descent.

However, I understand that this might not be considered what a "Video Game Generation" might be to some, so I propose the fallowing: We split Video Game Generation into two separate categories. Instead of "Video Game Generation", we have "Video Game Genealogy" and "Video Game Technological prowess". Video Game Genealogy will be the time frame Generation, and Video Game Technological Prowess will be the Technological Generation. That way, both sides can stop arguing about the stupid definition of a Generation.
 

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KelDG said:
SNIP-A-LOT

So back at you, where is your source in your Wikipedia page that proves you right. Not got one? Nope? Bye then.
I don't have a link to Video Game Console Generations Definition. But here is the Definition of a Generation, Courtasy of Dictionary.com [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/generation]:
Wrong reply mate, I really don't care about the definition of generation, I even said so in the snipped bit of my quote. I would go grab the Oxford English dictionary if I cared, as should anyone else who gives a damn. The only thing I was saying was Wikipedia is not a credible source for information. The best that Wikipedia is, is a guide with links to proper citation. Don't get me wrong, I love Wikipedia and use it to guide me to relevant information all the time, but it is not a referenceable source of information.

Recap, the generation argument is for muppets.
 

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Did Sony put them up to this? Hey not-quite first party studio, spread some FUD about a competitor for us please.
Nope. A question in a Q&A from a fan apparently did.

CriticKitten said:
By the textbook definition of the term (meaning the time period in which it is released), yes, it is next-gen.
But the Dreamcast was released closer to the release date of the PS2, Gamecube and Xbox, yet people often associate with DC with the generation of the PS1, N64 and Saturn, right? Can you explain what I'm missing here (I'm asking this as a serious question, not to be a smart alec, as I've always run by your logic also, but people have always decried me as wrong)?
 
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yet another developer not making games for the wii-u. I'm just going to leave this here, because I've got nothing else left to say.

[http://s1160.photobucket.com/user/cecilthedarkknight_234/media/Blunder_zpse5382981.jpg.html]
 

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A developer who thinks console generations are based on power...... why is someone like him having any saying in anything? Generations where never about hardware power because the original Xbox is a lost more powerful than the PS2.

Also, isn't Insomniac like Sony's 2nd party developer with few exceptions? Kinda obvious that they aren't working on the WiiU.

3rd gen. - NES
4th gen. - SNES
5th gen. - N64
6th gen. - GC
7th gen. - Wii
8th gen. - WiiU

You can't push it into the 7th gen since there is already a 7th gen Nintendo console. The WiiU is more powerful than the Wii, many times more powerful, so they can't be in the same generation.
 

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Lvl 64 Klutz said:
Has Insomniac made anything for the XBox either? I thought they were almost exclusively Sony anyway. I expect I'm wrong, since that would kind of negate the point of the article, but I honestly can't think of anything Insomniac has made for a console that is not of the PlayStation brand.
Fuse is being made with an EA partnership, and I think is going to be on the 360 too. Though I think they also have a division within the company that works on mobile games too? But ya, mostly Sony and I agree with your thoughts ("We won't work with WiiU" says developer who's 90% of games are with Sony platforms).
That's because Sony published the games. Now they have a third party publisher which would allow them to release multiplatform and they still choose to avoid the Wii U.
 

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This is a sad sign of the times. These day AAA developers spend more time on high end graphics than on the mechanics and fail to meet the quality of the PS2 era. Consider this, video games are like a Sundae, the game play mechanics is the ice cream the story is the chocolate sauce and the graphics are the sprinkles. If the ice cream is bad, the sundae will suck no matter how many sprinkles are added. In other words, If the game play mechanics are bad, the game will suck no matter how good the graphics are. Yes, the Wii U doesn't have the graphical potential that PS4 & Xbox Infinite have, but AAA developers act like graphics are the most important part of the game. If that were true then games like Minecraft and Angry Birds wouldn't be as successful as they are. Imagine what games would be like today if they only used half the current budget for graphics and put the rest on the mechanics? Look at Nintendo (I know that not everyone likes their games), for the most part Graphics are the last thing that they consider when making a game. They always focus on the game play mechanics first and they will start from scratch even if the game is almost finished if they feel that mechanics just aren't up to their standards. Why do you think Pikmin 3 has been delayed for so long.
 

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My lord, I'm just gobsmacked at how fucking stupid Nintendo's leadership is. The U is turning out to be a complete disaster. Not to mention that they keep releasing games on the Wii U VC that no one wants to play (Solomon's Key, Xevious?! WTH?) and devs keep bailing week-after-week.

Not good nintendo, and every bit of it is because of your poor choices on how to make this console. Pretty bummed I bought the U at this point. At least a few decent games are coming out for it before it goes down in flames, I hope.

Nintendo needs to watch Jimquisitions video about innovation for the sake of innovation, they could learn a thing or twenty.
 

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The WiiU is shaping up to be a fair bit of a flop.

It's always going to have some supporters, but, the fact is, the console is too far behind the curve than what people want.

A lot of people, want a typical console, with more power.

They don't want a giant gamepad with a screen on it.

They don't want waggle sticks and tennis attachments for their controllers.


They just want to sit down and play a video game with a control they're familiar with.


That's really all there is to it. Blame it on "Graphics being more important" or whatever you want.

The fact is, if the product is not enticing to the consumer, they're not going to be interested.

The Wii worked because it had its own unique games. It didn't matter that they didn't look as good, because they were stylised, a Mario game isn't going to require the PS3's level of hardware.

Now with the WiiU, these stylised games, really aren't looking much better than the Wii, and the more mainstream games the WiiU can run, look pretty identical to their console companions.

So, what this results to it the following.

Do I like Mario games? - Stick to a Wii.

Do I like mainstream titles? - Stick to your current console.


The only main selling points the WiiU has is the Controller, and honestly, most people don't like it.
 

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Tanakh said:
Well if we look at the word "generation" it's something that refers to time and not how effective something is.
And since (is it gen8??) the WiiU is 1 year earler than the next PS and Xbox, while the wii, 360 and ps3 are from around 2006, I guess the English language really decides it is in the current generation.
Fine it's a next-gen console ... with last gen's hardware.

A next gen console case with last gen's internals.

Happy?

A Ferrari with a Ford Model-T engine is still a Ferrari right?
Bro, missquote. I didn't wrote that, in fact I think it's quite dumb and oblivious towards the use of language.

Edit: Also, NO, a Ferrari with a ford model-t engine is certainly no Ferrari!
 

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Given that Insomniac has spent the vast majority producing sony exclusives, this is not news.

It's unfortunate that we're seeing the same launch the 3DS had - very few games worth buying. Nintendo needs to start pumping these games in the pipeline out, fast. This is going to be a critical e3 for nintendo - oh wait. They cancelled. Idiots.
 

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My question: Does anyone really want PORTS on the WiiU? Exclusives built for the system sure, but I have no interest in games that are available on other systems. I have a very powerful PC so anything that is multiplatform I will simply get for that and a year or so down the road I will probably buy a PS4 as well.

The strength of the WiiU is that it can offer experiences that you can?t get on the other consoles and a port of games made for other consoles are never going to make use of that strength beyond throwing in something gimmicky and pointless.
 

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My question: Does anyone really want PORTS on the WiiU? Exclusives built for the system sure, but I have no interest in games that are available on other systems. I have a very powerful PC so anything that is multiplatform I will simply get for that and a year or so down the road I will probably buy a PS4 as well.

The strength of the WiiU is that it can offer experiences that you can?t get on the other consoles and a port of games made for other consoles are never going to make use of that strength beyond throwing in something gimmicky and pointless.
Yep. Zero interest in a PS4 or Next-box. Too expensive compared to my PC, more hassle then my PC, and one, from current rumors, wants to charge me to use the damn thing. I hope the Wii U wins just because of my growing disdain for microsoft and sony.
 

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novem said:
My question: Does anyone really want PORTS on the WiiU? Exclusives built for the system sure, but I have no interest in games that are available on other systems. I have a very powerful PC so anything that is multiplatform I will simply get for that and a year or so down the road I will probably buy a PS4 as well.

The strength of the WiiU is that it can offer experiences that you can?t get on the other consoles and a port of games made for other consoles are never going to make use of that strength beyond throwing in something gimmicky and pointless.
Yep. Zero interest in a PS4 or Next-box. Too expensive compared to my PC, more hassle then my PC, and one, from current rumors, wants to charge me to use the damn thing. I hope the Wii U wins just because of my growing disdain for microsoft and sony.
More power to the both of you on your endeavours.

Meanwhile while finishing my new desktop I'll be saving for the U in time for the summer and down the line the same for one of the other two consoles because from my point of view I don't see any hassle apart from the time and money it took to build this new desktop of mine that will no doubt present annoying problems in the future like every other PC will always do.
 

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Why would it be? Because it's design has more to do with the Xbox360 than with any other console before or after (excluding the control).

And I am not pretending anything. You talk as if being or not part of a generation had to do with some objective characteristic in the product, and say it was based on age, then how come the neo-geo is not of the fifth? Chronologically and technologically makes more sense as it's closer in both ways to the Jaguar and the 3DO than the TurboGrafx. The answer back in those times was because the first and the second generations were defined by historic events (market crashes), and the third to fifth clearly defined by CPU architectures.

Now, here comes the tricky part, microsoft introduced in the Xbox a method of console development than then refined for the Xbox 360. That method being making your console a cheapass computer optimized for gaming, and it works amazingly well because it's easy to produce, to develop and to develop for. From the Xbox360 Nintendo and Sony learnt that they should do the same.

So now generations are kind of meaningless, merly marketspeech to sell the new console, because unlike before there is no historic or technological reason to keep advancing the number; it's just a way for a PR guy to sell.

BTW, the obvious implication is that I also don't think a PS4 is "new gen", because it seems like a direct descendant of the Xbox360 with a Sony twist, same as a WiiU would be a Nintendonized Xbox360.

PS: You never gave me a descriptive definition bro.
 

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So...? Insomniac is a Sony studio. Not to mention they've given up on making good games.
Insomniac is no longer a Sony studio. They went multiplatform
Was that their choice? Because between that and their recent Ratchet titles, it seems they got hit on the head.
 

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EHKOS said:
BrotherRool said:
EHKOS said:
So...? Insomniac is a Sony studio. Not to mention they've given up on making good games.
Insomniac is no longer a Sony studio. They went multiplatform
Was that their choice? Because between that and their recent Ratchet titles, it seems they got hit on the head.
That's interesting I never even thought of that, I always assumed it must be because the Resistance titles did pretty okay and Ratchett was a good system mascot. I assumed they wanted to branch some wings or just make more money or something
 

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Well hello, every third party video game developer ever, how do you do?

There seriously isn't anything noteworthy about this. In fact I'm seriously worried that the Wii U is dead. Deader than dead, in fact. It seems it has an uphill climb. And I do love my Wii U so I'm not trying to support its death.

Though, as others have stated, doesn't Insomniac just work with Nintendo anyway?
 

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The Wii U does seem pointless to support in a multi platform release as it does seem substantially weaker than infinity/ps4. 3o I kinda understand dropping interest from devs. Exclusives could still do well on it though. Just doesn't seem practical to port a game from 8gb ram 8 core processor and likely better gpu to something with 2gb ram(1 gb video probaly)
 

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Tanakh said:
deadish said:
Tanakh said:
Well if we look at the word "generation" it's something that refers to time and not how effective something is.
And since (is it gen8??) the WiiU is 1 year earler than the next PS and Xbox, while the wii, 360 and ps3 are from around 2006, I guess the English language really decides it is in the current generation.
Fine it's a next-gen console ... with last gen's hardware.

A next gen console case with last gen's internals.

Happy?

A Ferrari with a Ford Model-T engine is still a Ferrari right?
Bro, missquote. I didn't wrote that, in fact I think it's quite dumb and oblivious towards the use of language.

Edit: Also, NO, a Ferrari with a ford model-t engine is certainly no Ferrari!
I might have quoted someone else and somehow it got mangled. Apologies.
 

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The Wii U does seem pointless to support in a multi platform release as it does seem substantially weaker than infinity/ps4. 3o I kinda understand dropping interest from devs. Exclusives could still do well on it though. Just doesn't seem practical to port a game from 8gb ram 8 core processor and likely better gpu to something with 2gb ram(1 gb video probaly)
Here's the thing about the PlayStation 4, though. It is pointless for most companies to even utilize even a decent portion of that hardware.

Most would go bankrupt even trying.
 

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I've come to this conclusion a while back(with words of others being fans/suits) is that this next-gen is going to have a complete uphill battle. Nintendo biggest problem has absolutely nothing do to with hardware which I find hilarious that people want to argue about it all the time. As of now, unless techniques change sometime within this up-coming gen, the Wii-U is able to render the techniques used in modern development which makes porting more than possible.

No, Nintendo biggest problem comes down to relevancy which I think they haven't had much of for quite some time. Yes, they still have huge control of how the industry shapes up but this doesn't effect most developers. It has absolutely nothing to do with hardware but rather proving to them that you can profitable on the system and this so far was Nintendo biggest mistake. This is something that Nintendo probably won't be able to fix until the other two companies release their consoles so they have something to compare against. People think that Nintendo will get left in the dust when they release but what I think will happen is companies will do their math after making some games on the competitors console and realize their profit margin will be massively bigger since the cost cover will be smaller.

For all those saying that the Wii-U is not next-gen clearly don't know how the market works. Wii-U is replacing Wii shelf space and is going to be competing for shelf space against PS4 and Infinity, that makes it next-gen. XD

And escapist, really? instead of reporting about "Insomniac [email protected]", you went for the cheap hits and bashed Nintendo? And you want to be considered credible? How about reporting in why there is no PC version while your at it but I guess covering news is hard work. XD
 

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a thought:

Saying that the Wii U isn't of the same generation as the PS4 and Nextbox is like saying that the 3DS isn't in the same generation as the Vita. Check. Freaking. Mate.
 

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I want to say I'm surprised but I'm really not. A lot of game dev's play it safe on the gimmicks various console dev's bring to the table. Move, Kinect, the original Wii, 3ds, Vita, Virtual Boy (reaching way back, PowerGlove (seriously wtf was that thing for?), Rob the Robot. Sure Nintendo is the biggest offender... But are game dev's being shortsighted? 3rd party dev's have a chance to make games outside the box with some of the periph's for consoles. I don't claim to know everything that goes on behind the scenes but in today's industry the norm seems to be "go with the status quo". Thats fine for a bit, conservatism in moderation helps progress by not becoming too big too fast. (double meaning? maybe).
But in the end some console dev's shoot themselves in the foot. However Nintendo is the leader in "innovation" or as some may call it "useless gimmicks gamers will wear later in cosplay".
I'm not arguing that WiiU is great, nor is it bad. Its there and if the right dev's come along it may be awesome. But sometimes people have to take great risks for the greatest rewards, both console and 3rd party dev's alike.
 

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Wikipedia is not a credible source, it has links to citation which CAN be credible, but I bet you can't provide a credible source from the article you linked before.

Oh while you were riding your high horse, you probably didn't notice but I did not take sides in the argument so I don't need to prove anything, especially to you, I frankly thing your argument with the other guy is stupid. I just pointed out Wiki is not a credible source and anyone who thinks it is, is a complete MUPPET.

You mention academia, there is a reason Wikipedia is not accepted as a source for references, it is because Wikipedia does not hold the credible information, but only links to it, and it is these sources that should (and would) be used. Even heavily moderated pages with correct information are not accepted for this reason. Have fun passing anything but high school with your logic.
It's funny, because I've graduated from college multiple times now and still cite bits from Wikipedia, because it's perfectly valid to do so. So I'm just going to say that you've got not so much as a clue what you're talking about, and the fact that you openly dismiss a valid source of information is ignorance at its finest.

Go away now. I don't care what you have to say.
 

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But the Dreamcast was released closer to the release date of the PS2, Gamecube and Xbox, yet people often associate with DC with the generation of the PS1, N64 and Saturn, right? Can you explain what I'm missing here (I'm asking this as a serious question, not to be a smart alec, as I've always run by your logic also, but people have always decried me as wrong)?
Who does that? o_O

I certainly never have. DC, at least for me, was always appropriately compared to the PS2 and other such consoles, since those were its actual competition.

I suppose people might have compared it to those consoles because DC came out first in the generation by a decent margin. So it's sort of like how people are comparing the Wii U to the 360 and PS3 right now, would be my best guess.

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Why would it be? Because it's design has more to do with the Xbox360 than with any other console before or after (excluding the control).
And as we previously established, the eighth generation is defined primarily by its time period (in that it's a full five years after the prior gen), NOT the hardware specs. Otherwise there wouldn't be a new generation at all since they're all woefully outdated by comparison to PCs and other hardware out there (and while that may be your point, it's quite honestly a stupid point).

So this comparison is meaningless, and it's not going to go anywhere no matter how much you harp on it.

And I am not pretending anything. You talk as if being or not part of a generation had to do with some objective characteristic in the product, and say it was based on age, then how come the neo-geo is not of the fifth? Chronologically and technologically makes more sense as it's closer in both ways to the Jaguar and the 3DO than the TurboGrafx. The answer back in those times was because the first and the second generations were defined by historic events (market crashes), and the third to fifth clearly defined by CPU architectures.
The Neo-Geo came out three years before the Dreamcast, and there were three other consoles after that.

By comparison, the Neo-Geo was released only two years after the first console in Gen 4.

I'll let you do the math there, as I'm pretty sure you can handle it.

It's certainly true that the hardware was a factor in the decision to plant Neo-Geo firmly in the previous generation (16-bit vs 32-bit), but it was a natural entry for that generation anyways by virtue of the fact that it was released closer to the release dates of other 16-bit consoles rather than 32-bit ones.

Now, here comes the tricky part, microsoft introduced in the Xbox a method of console development than then refined for the Xbox 360. That method being making your console a cheapass computer optimized for gaming, and it works amazingly well because it's easy to produce, to develop and to develop for. From the Xbox360 Nintendo and Sony learnt that they should do the same.

So now generations are kind of meaningless, merly marketspeech to sell the new console, because unlike before there is no historic or technological reason to keep advancing the number; it's just a way for a PR guy to sell.
I'll agree that the lines are certainly more blurred, but the premise that a console released a full five years after the previous batch of consoles should be included as part of its generation PURELY on the basis of hardware is ludicrous.

BTW, the obvious implication is that I also don't think a PS4 is "new gen", because it seems like a direct descendant of the Xbox360 with a Sony twist, same as a WiiU would be a Nintendonized Xbox360.
And I'd disagree with you there too, since (again) the implication that the hardware is the only factor in deciding a generation when that's NOT what "generation" means....well, that's simply absurd.

If you want to bash hardware, go for it, but stop misusing a word to suit your argument and then insisting that you're using the definition correctly when you're obviously not.

PS: You never gave me a descriptive definition bro.
Because I'm still waiting for you to find a dictionary. I'm not going to spell out the definition of "generation" for you when it takes five seconds to look it up for yourself. Stop being lazy and then throwing accusations of logical fallacy out at me because I refuse to cave to your laziness. Do your own research, don't expect your opponent to do it for you. That is the most basic rule of debate. I'll give you one last chance to prove that you're capable of at least doing that much for yourself.
 

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Who does that? o_O

I certainly never have. DC, at least for me, was always appropriately compared to the PS2 and other such consoles, since those were its actual competition.
Right.

Well, many, MANY people argue that the Dreamcast is the same generation as the N64, PSX and Saturn. I've seen forums escalate into flamewars due to the debate.
 

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Just a few minor pointers to leave here for reference (I'm not up for debate at the moment):

Firstly, Nintendo's Wii not only kept up with the other two consoles despite having far weaker graphic capabilities, it
demolished them. Utterly, completely, and without any real 3rd part support.

Secondly, Nintendo still has an iron grip on the handheld market, even with the Vita and modern cell phone apps out there.

And thirdly, Insomniac hasn't been relevant or made anything most people even cared about since the days of the original PS1 and the PS2, so their unwillingness to develop for the Wii U is nothing to really stress over.

Nintendo will be perfectly fine in due time. The Escapist however, I'm a bit more concerned about. Honestly seems they're dredging up anything they can to report on, instead of something... I don't know, relevant?
 

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The games on the WiiU may be behind in terms of specs compared to games on the other consoles but I believe the touch-screen controller more than makes up for it. The extra-screen provides opportunities for games that would be impossible to pull off on the other consoles and this is where the WiiU can really shine. I'd even say it has more opportunities because of this. Developers need to take advantage of it and do something -forgive my language- innovative. As j-e-f-f-e-r-s has pointed out many times before, a proper console strategy game could be produced! Asymmetrical gaming with the Pro Controller, hell even NDS-style aiming with the touch-screen.
That was the theory behind the Wii and motion controls. A generation later, and not even Nintendo could manage to come up with a game which made motion controls more than a gimmick. They put out some party games, then spent the generation milking their old franchises while unambitiously mapping various discrete actions to some form of controller waggling. Skyward Sword came the closest to really making the controls work, but they were still far too attached to the Zelda formula to be the definitive example (it was also a bit late at that point).

If Nintendo wants its latest "innovation" to take off then they need to take the bull by the horns and put out a game that doesn't just blow people away, but does something with the controls that makes people say "This game couldn't have been done on the 360".

Trilliandi said:
Just a few minor pointers to leave here for reference (I'm not up for debate at the moment):

Firstly, Nintendo's Wii not only kept up with the other two consoles despite having far weaker graphic capabilities, it
demolished them. Utterly, completely, and without any real 3rd part support.
I hate to break this to you, but the Wii's sales fell off BIG time during the 2nd half of the generation. MS and Sony were both on track to outpace its totals in about two more years. The Wii also suffered a much lower attach rate than either of its competitors. The Wii U's sales are already in the dumpster.

The Wii was ultimately a strategic failure. It had some short-term success that Nintendo failed to capitalize on, leaving them in an awful position for this generation.
 

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There's more to console development than you realize. One of the biggest obstacles to multiplatform development is the internal architecture of the CPU.

For example, the PS4 will run off a Semi-custom 8-core AMD x86-64 CPU (integrated into APU). The 360 uses a 3.2 GHz PowerPC Tri-Core Xenon. The WiiU uses a Multi-Core IBM PowerPC "Espresso".

Notice how radically different each of those are? Combine this with Nintendo licensing issues, and the unspoken obligation to work around that touch screen, on top of the unique internal structure and how out of control budgeting is these days, I can't say I'm surprised that developers are passing up having to develop for it.
 

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That was the theory behind the Wii and motion controls. A generation later, and not even Nintendo could manage to come up with a game which made motion controls more than a gimmick. They put out some party games, then spent the generation milking their old franchises while unambitiously mapping various discrete actions to some form of controller waggling. Skyward Sword came the closest to really making the controls work, but they were still far too attached to the Zelda formula to be the definitive example (it was also a bit late at that point).

If Nintendo wants its latest "innovation" to take off then they need to take the bull by the horns and put out a game that doesn't just blow people away, but does something with the controls that makes people say "This game couldn't have been done on the 360".
Metroid Prime 3 would like to have a word with you.
 

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Metroid Prime 3 would like to have a word with you.
It did have a word with me. I was unimpressed with what it had to say, and I politely requested for it to go back to being good, like the first Metroid Prime was. Then I went and played Gears of War again.
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Metroid Prime 3 would like to have a word with you.
It did have a word with me. I was unimpressed with what it had to say, and I politely requested for it to go back to being good, like the first Metroid Prime was. Then I went and played Gears of War again.
Wow. Just wow. I hope you can see the blatant irony in your statement. Or that you're just ripping the piss.
 

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Wow. Just wow. I hope you can see the blatant irony in your statement. Or that you're just ripping the piss.
You need to consult a dictionary. "Irony" does not mean "Somebody does not conform to my fanboy opinions about videogames".
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Wow. Just wow. I hope you can see the blatant irony in your statement. Or that you're just ripping the piss.
You need to consult a dictionary. "Irony" does not mean "Somebody does not conform to my fanboy opinions about videogames".
Gears Of War: a shooter where the cover system was used to overcome the inherent problems of aiming with dual analogue sticks. Instead of having to track moving enemies with an inherently clumsy aiming device offset by hefty amounts of auto-aim, instead players just stick to cover and aim at largely stationary enemies who duck in and out of cover like a game of whack-a-mole. When enemies do move, they do so rather slowly in order to actually make aiming at them easier.

Metroid Prime 3: a game where being able to aim at the screen with the Wiimote actually gives you some level of accuracy comparable to an M&K setup.

I mean, can you show me an analogue stick game where the aiming is comparable to something like this? Or this? Or even this?
 

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Metroid Prime 3: a game where being able to aim at the screen with the Wiimote actually gives you some level of accuracy comparable to an M&K setup.
Oh God, that's rich. Where do you get this stuff? Have you ever actually used either of those things?

No, really though, it sure was great how the Wii became THE place for shooters after MP3 blew everyone away with its control scheme. Why, there was... um... The Conduit? I think? And Red Steel! No, wait, that came out before. But anyway, I remember how when Gears 2 game out everyone was talking about how much better it would have been with the Wiimote. It also sure does suck how nobody has figured out how to do a non-cover based shooter on a console. Halo and CoD keep trying, but neither of them even touch Metroid Prime 3's sales!
 

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Because I'm still waiting for you to find a dictionary. I'm not going to spell out the definition of "generation" for you when it takes five seconds to look it up for yourself. Stop being lazy and then throwing accusations of logical fallacy out at me because I refuse to cave to your laziness. Do your own research, don't expect your opponent to do it for you. That is the most basic rule of debate. I'll give you one last chance to prove that you're capable of at least doing that much for yourself.
lol, I see that you think that "generation" and "console generation" mean the same; guess you also think "memory" and "computer memory" are one word. No wonder you are so confused, I'll peace out then.
 

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Because I'm still waiting for you to find a dictionary. I'm not going to spell out the definition of "generation" for you when it takes five seconds to look it up for yourself. Stop being lazy and then throwing accusations of logical fallacy out at me because I refuse to cave to your laziness. Do your own research, don't expect your opponent to do it for you. That is the most basic rule of debate. I'll give you one last chance to prove that you're capable of at least doing that much for yourself.
lol, I see that you think that "generation" and "console generation" mean the same; guess you also think "memory" and "computer memory" are one word, or sheaf in usual language, agriculture and math. No wonder you are so confused, what I am saying is that "console generation" is a technical term pertaining video games that people use and can't even well-define unless by extension, as such is a term that only has value as marketspeech, I'll peace out then but suggest you stop saying you know the definition and others don't, it seems silly.
 

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Nouw said:
The games on the WiiU may be behind in terms of specs compared to games on the other consoles but I believe the touch-screen controller more than makes up for it. The extra-screen provides opportunities for games that would be impossible to pull off on the other consoles and this is where the WiiU can really shine. I'd even say it has more opportunities because of this. Developers need to take advantage of it and do something -forgive my language- innovative. As j-e-f-f-e-r-s has pointed out many times before, a proper console strategy game could be produced! Asymmetrical gaming with the Pro Controller, hell even NDS-style aiming with the touch-screen.
That was the theory behind the Wii and motion controls. A generation later, and not even Nintendo could manage to come up with a game which made motion controls more than a gimmick. They put out some party games, then spent the generation milking their old franchises while unambitiously mapping various discrete actions to some form of controller waggling. Skyward Sword came the closest to really making the controls work, but they were still far too attached to the Zelda formula to be the definitive example (it was also a bit late at that point).

If Nintendo wants its latest "innovation" to take off then they need to take the bull by the horns and put out a game that doesn't just blow people away, but does something with the controls that makes people say "This game couldn't have been done on the 360".
But why can't say, any other developer do it? Sure it's Nintendo's console and they're obligated to lead the way but seeing as there's nothing confirmed as of yet I don't see why another developer couldn't just do it themselves. Take some initiative and be the first penguin damn it!
 

Crazie_Guy

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Another day, another dev dropping the Wii U. Seems like there's a new one every time I check the news.

I swear, if the next Xbox really is online only, Sony is going to have essentially no competition. I was a die-hard Nintendo boy in the Gamecube days and I wouldn't take anything over a 360 in this gen, never been much for Sony but I'm all for them now. Seems like they're doing everything right, except when I think about it, they're really not. They're just not going out of their to embrace stupid ideas that can only bite you in the ass. But I suppose even minding your own business and maintaining the status quo can seem like a move of genius cunning when you're surrounded by people who are busy setting up bear traps for lounge chairs.