internet piracy, what do seeders get?

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RadiusXd

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I am just wondering what the people who rip and upload movies, games, and music to the internet for free get out if it?
seeing as the downloads are free i am just about ready to rule out financial gain.
Anyone know why?
 

BGH122

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Because internet piracy is based, in part, upon a philosophy of sharing even at one's own expense: Kopimi.

Some bit torrent apps and trackers also limit speed according to whether or not the individual is uploading in order to discourage selfishness.
 

Nimbus

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They are the ones who genuinely believe in the sharing bullshit. The downloaders are the ones who want to get something for free.
 

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liamlemon7 said:
They get a go to jail free card
Not usually. Most of the time they're required to pay fines.
Edit: ok it's fixed.
 

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Because not everyone shares the philosophy that piracy is wrong, and that its only free loaders who do it. Some think that piracy is a good thing, and idealize it. I don't have this same idealism about it, but if someone does it makes since that they'd be a seeder.
 

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BGH122 said:
Nimbus said:
They are the ones who genuinely believe in the sharing bullshit.
What makes it bullshit?
The fact that sharing implies having one copy between multiple people, thus preventing it being used by multiple people at the same time, as effectively as if there were multiple copies.

Whereas pirating software creates infinite copies that could potentially be spread amongst everyone in possession of an internet connection providing little to no incentive to purchase further copies of the game.

Its kinda like how pirates always argue that piracy isn't technically stealing. Its not technically sharing either.
 

RadiusXd

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yeah, I guess that they figure that because it doesn't come in a case, it doesn't take them money to make. what they don't seem to realise is it costs millions to make a decent game these days. then again there is the argument that people wouldn't buy it anyway, but one time I was overcome by nostalgia and downloaded starcraft, the next time I went out I bought both starcraft and broodwars, I guess I was just that satified.

Edit: then again, it would also have to do with the fact that it was just $10 each, oh well.
 

Angel_0A

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There's some kind of rep or cred involved in their community, surely.
Funny if they were just breaking the law out of the kindness of their hearts.
 

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fletch_talon said:
BGH122 said:
Nimbus said:
They are the ones who genuinely believe in the sharing bullshit.
What makes it bullshit?
The fact that sharing implies having one copy between multiple people, thus preventing it being used by multiple people at the same time, as effectively as if there were multiple copies.

Whereas pirating software creates infinite copies that could potentially be spread amongst everyone in possession of an internet connection providing little to no incentive to purchase further copies of the game.

Its kinda like how pirates always argue that piracy isn't technically stealing. Its not technically sharing either.
Its not absolutely wrong either. People share files all the time. Friends share music mp3 files a lot. That is legal because the actual files are the thing you buy and therefore are free to distribute because music is protected by free commerce laws like books and movies are. Games are in the same category. Piracy is nothing more than file sharing on a large scale.

The original creators have a right to the intellectual property, but all that means is that you can't sell it as your own work that does not stop you from sharing game files.
 

BGH122

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fletch_talon said:
BGH122 said:
Nimbus said:
They are the ones who genuinely believe in the sharing bullshit.
What makes it bullshit?
The fact that sharing implies having one copy between multiple people, thus preventing it being used by multiple people at the same time, as effectively as if there were multiple copies.

Whereas pirating software creates infinite copies that could potentially be spread amongst everyone in possession of an internet connection providing little to no incentive to purchase further copies of the game.

Its kinda like how pirates always argue that piracy isn't technically stealing. Its not technically sharing either.
Yes and no, they also argue that intellectual property isn't property in a physical sense and to treat it as such is fallacious. So multiple people can access it simultaneously, unlike a shared physical property.

You and I can both simultaneously access a concept, such as gravity, without there being any contradiction. We share our knowledge of gravity and can both simultaneously access it, because applying physical laws to such a thing would be inappropriate and pointless. Only the metaphysical laws of 'knowledge', which courts ignore, govern what may or may not be practically achieved with knowledge, concepts and, the RIAA's favourite oxymoron, 'intellectual property'.
 

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Personally as a seeder myself, I get that warm cushy feeling that I've lessened some one's frustration.

Actually the only reason I seed is that I forget to delete the torrent and leave Micro Torrent running.


On a side note... IT'S NOT UTORRENT THAT LITTLE U THING IN FROM MEANS MICRO, AS IN MICROMETERS, IT'S MICRO-TORRENT GOD DAMN IT. That is all.
 

Thaius

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It's honor among thieves. You give out at least an equivalent amount to what you download; give as much as you take.
 

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The satisfaction that comes only from altruism. Altruism that is a byproduct of piracy, mind you, but still altruism.
Seeding is kind of like Robin Hood, whereas leeching is more like Blackbeard.
 

BGH122

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Angel_0A said:
There's some kind of rep or cred involved in their community, surely.
Funny if they were just breaking the law out of the kindness of their hearts.
Hypothetical: You see a woman (or a man, if you'd prefer) being raped in front of you. There's a pistol next to you. You can only shoot the rapist in such a way that it'd murder him (or her, if you'd prefer). Do you murder him?

If you say yes then you have broken the law, presumably, out of the kindness of your heart. Murder is not legally justified by defense of other in the case of rape because you've exceeded the attacker's level of force.

My moral: don't presume everyone shares your moral preferences, for some piracy is as morally clear cut as killing a rapist in the act.

Jaywebbs said:
Personally as a seeder myself, I get that warm cushy feeling that I've lessened some one's frustration.

Actually the only reason I seed is that I forget to delete the torrent and leave Micro Torrent running.


On a side note... IT'S NOT UTORRENT THAT LITTLE U THING IN FROM MEANS MICRO, AS IN MICROMETERS, IT'S MICRO-TORRENT GOD DAMN IT. That is all.
I'm sure you're not confessing to breach of copyright.

I'm sure you were seeding/downloading Turbine's latest freely available patch for the Lord of the Rings Online.