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cobra_ky

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Last night Pandora sent the following email to its biggest users:

Hi, it?s Tim -

I hope this email finds you enjoying a great summer Pandora soundtrack.

I?m writing with some important news. Please forgive the lengthy email; it requires some explaining.

First, I want to let you know that we?ve reached a resolution to the calamitous Internet radio royalty ruling of 2007. After more than two precarious years, we are finally on safe ground with a long-term agreement for survivable royalty rates ? thanks to the extraordinary efforts of our listeners who voiced an absolute avalanche of support for us on Capitol Hill. We are deeply thankful.

While we did the best we could to lower the rates, we are going to have to make an adjustment that will affect about 10% of our users who are our heaviest listeners. Specifically, we are going to begin limiting listening to 40 hours per month on the web. Because we have to pay royalty fees per song and per listener, it makes very heavy listeners hard to support on advertising alone. Most listeners will never hit this cap, but it seems that you might.

We hate the idea of capping anyone's usage, so we've been working to devise an alternative for listeners like you. We've come up with two solutions and we hope that one of them will work for you:

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Your first option is to continue listening just as you have been and, if and when you reach the 40 hour limit in a given month, to pay just $0.99 for unlimited listening for the rest of that month. This isn't a subscription. You can pay by credit card and your card will be charged for just that one month. You'll be able to keep listening as much as you'd like for the remainder of the month. We hope this is relatively painless and affordable - the same price as a single song download.

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Your second option is to upgrade to our premium version called Pandora One. Pandora One costs $36 per year. In addition to unlimited monthly listening and no advertising, Pandora One offers very high quality 192 Kbps streams, an elegant desktop application that eliminates the need for a browser, personalized skins for the Pandora player, and a number of other features: http://www.pandora.com/pandora_one.

If neither of these options works for you, I hope you'll keep listening to the free version - 40 hours each month will go a long way, especially if you're really careful about hitting pause when you?re not listening. We?ll be sure to let you know if you start getting close to the limit, and we?ve created a counter you can access to see how many hours you?ve already used each month.

We?ll be implementing this change starting this month (July), I?d welcome your feedback and suggestions. The combination of our usage patterns and the "per song per listener" royalty cost creates a financial reality that we can't ignore...but we very much want you to continue listening for years to come.

Please don't hesitate to email me back with your thoughts.

Sincerely,

Tim
Founder

tldr: effective immediately, Pandora will only allow you to use their service for 40 hours a month without charge. after that, you can either pay $.99 a month for unlimited access or $36 a year for their premium service. as I typically listen to Pandora pretty much all day at work, 40 hours a month isn't really an option for me.

there's two reasons for this thread. one is i'm looking for another free, preferably legal way to listen music all day. the other is i wouldn't mind starting a more general discussion about the internet and the recording industry. from what little research i was able to do this morning, i learned that internet royalties are twice as much as satellite radio royalties. it seems to me like this could backfire horribly, since they were earning royalties from me on Pandora, and now i may just go back to downloading illegally.
 

Cpt_Oblivious

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If you need a new service I believe quite a few DAB Digital Radio stations also stream through the internet.

I can't remember the website I used to find them but I used to slap on Kerrang! radio when I played MMOs. Try radio websites for stuff like that.
 

cobra_ky

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i should probably point out that i'm american. i'm also looking for something that gives me a little more control over what i listen to, beyond just picking stations. i think my parents have a sirius subscription i can mooch off for now, anyway.
 

KP Shadow

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And THAT is why I use Jango.com instead. That, and the fact that you A) don't need to have an account to use the site and B) while using the site as a guest, you can pick what song you want to listen to, meaning that, if you only want to listen to songs by a certain artist, you're better off listening as a guest, and switching to a different artist from the main page when you're bored with the band/musician that you were listening to before.
 

Assassin Xaero

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Only internet radio I listened to was Chronix Metal (and sometimes Chronix Aggression), but now that has commercials in it... There another good metal radio station that plays metal? Think it was the Yahoo one that kept playing stuff like Disturbed and Papa Roach...
 

Berethond

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And that is why you should just pay for your music.

But NOT through iTunes. Honestly, if you're buying through iTunes to support artists, just buy their CD instead.

And the recording industry is pretty much the spawn of satan.