Internet troll is jailed after mocking deaths of teenagers online.

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A Pious Cultist said:
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So much for the 1st amendment, huh?
I don't want to make a "dumb american" comment
You just did. ^_^

but your law does not apply to any other country other than yours.
Im pretty sure almost every country has it's own variation of freedom of speech, and I feel that improsining someone for insensitive comments over the web is beyond harsh, and a violation of whatever laws they have allowing freedom of speech. By the way, my home and native land is in Canada, silly.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Jail?

Are we gonna start jailing people who call each other "fatty" or "four-eyes" next?

How about moderating comments better?
This.

It will never cease to baffle me how many people (including people on this forum) don't see to have any problems with the government throwing people into jail simply for saying mean things.

"They deserve it because they are bad people" is a horrible, horrible slippery slope that I for one want to stay the fuck away from.
This. What he did was despicable. But last I checked, being an insufferable moron wasn't a crime. Stuff like this happens on the internet everyday.
Edit: There is a reason that the WBC isn't in jail yet here.
 
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Neaco said:
The world isn't black and white.
Law has to be though. If it's grey, then you will have it painted one colour or the other by good lawyers.

You are correct in that there needs to be a better system than "society decides who's a dick and who isn't" but c'mon, were doing the best we can. Why not write up the law yourself and present it to your congressman?
Our MP (this is a UK situation ;)) is a douche-nozzle as well. He didn't even turn up to Parliament to vote on a Data Legislation that I asked him to.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Jail?

Are we gonna start jailing people who call each other "fatty" or "four-eyes" next?

How about moderating comments better?
Insulting someone with generic names like that - myself being the target of both in my time - is far different from deliberately trying to upset a grieving family over the loss of such a young person to such a sudden and tragic accident.

I for one support similar sentences for anyone else who'd so such a thing.
 

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I think a good old fashioned slap in the face would have been a far more adequate punishment, but at least the prick is being punished in some way - even if, maybe, he is being punished a little TOO much.

He sure as hell won't do it again, though. If there's anything we can take away from this it's that he's a monumental prick.
 
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mariodude23 said:
Causing emotional distress on the other hand is literally a part of psychology and I can testify personally, as a person with clinical depression, that it has made me seriously consider suicide in the past.
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Insulting someone with generic names like that - myself being the target of both in my time - is far different from deliberately trying to upset a grieving family over the loss of such a young person to such a sudden and tragic accident.
But yet...and I'm trying to be sympathetic here...no-one that distressed you would ever be jailed for it.

I'm not saying this guy isn't a prick for what he's done. I'm just saying that there are far worse who don't get this, and the Law HAS to be seen to be fair. Or else we've just demonised the tools he used, rather than the person he is.
 

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oktalist said:
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your freedom of speech is null and void the moment it offends someone.
Causing offence to someone does not infringe their rights, because not being offended is not a right.

But it's irrelevant because the guy in this case was not jailed for causing offence, that would be rather Orwellian if he was. He was jailed for causing distress, which is quite different.
If I call you a fucking moron and you're not offended by it... Groovy

If You ARE offended by it... Well... here are the limits on freedom of speech

http://www.freedomforum.org/packages/first/curricula/educationforfreedom/supportpages/L04-LimitsFreedomSpeech.htm
 

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I'm not really fond of putting a guy away just for saying some bad stuff.

I would much prefer something more along the lines of "peeing on his face" or "throwing salt at him".
 

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Neaco said:
A Pious Cultist said:
dudeman0001 said:
So much for the 1st amendment, huh?
I don't want to make a "dumb american" comment but your law does not apply to any other country other than yours.
No no, as an American I fully support your comment. Dudeman... Learn to Read.
Wow, condescending much? You can't write if you can't read. (inb4 B-BUT HELEN KEL) you know what I mean Besides the country this incident took place wasn't the point of my post at all, i'm saying that people should be able to speak their minds without being put in prison, regardless of how ugly their thoughts may be.
 

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Alright to the people commenting on this here and saying about free speech. Please for the love of God, GO LEARN LAW BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH ABOUT IT. There are limitations to what you can say at any given time and under various articles there are situations where you aren't allowed to open your mouth and say what you want to. When it causes harm to another person or is known to cause, then it is no longer protected under our rights as humans. It is like shouting fire in a crowded location or shark on a crowded beach; firstly, it isn't funny in any sense of the word and secondly you can cause damage to people. The reason the court systems found him guilty was because of his gross neglect of human emotion and the sensitivity that those who just lost someone feel. Do you have any idea those suffering from losing a loved one can slip into a suicide? What this troll just did was first off wrong morally and is wrong by the standards that government puts out; so yeah, I completely agree with his jail time and I think he should be made to tough out a year or two inside of four months, especially since the troll had no job in the first place. People think a little bit before you do shit like this, honestly why do you think grade school teachers would knock the hell out of you if you called someone a name?
I salute you with the force of a thousand fucking suns, as a Journalism student it makes me so glad to see someone who really understands freedom of speech around here, instead of just throwing it out as an all-purpose shield against consequences.
Considering I'm a journalism student myself, I return said salute.
http://operatorchan.org/t/src/t258550_Fuck-Yeah.jpg
This thread is officially over and out.
 

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Part of me thinks that's an over reaction, but that part's kind of getting drowned out by the part of me that wonders why the hell a 25 year old is mocking a 15 year old's death.
That part also says that that sort of stuff can't be tolerated, and feels that he deserved the 4 months in prison.

That part might be wrong, but dear lord it sure is satisfying to see one of those smug ass trolls get what's coming to them. Maybe it might be wrong, but if you're 25 years old and you're mocking people online, you seriously need to rethink your life, 4 months in jail is plenty of time for some needed reflection.
 

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Guitarmasterx7 said:
FUCK THE FIRST AMENDMENT! SOMEONE MEAN GOT SENT TO JAIL FOR SAYING MEAN STUFF! HOORAY!

Seriously people, fucked up though it may be, this kid didn't really do anything. You do realize he's going to be in jail for four and a half months right? Four and a half months of jail, and prison charges that will make it difficult for him to get a job for the rest of his life for being a bit of a dick.

I honestly don't believe he should be prosecuted at all. Punched in the face, yes, but the law has no place in this. Even then, this is something that warrants community service or something not strait up jail time.

It's seriously appalling to see so many people strongly supporting this kind of government issued punishment for "I fell asleep on the track lolz." I realize this is a gaming site so there's bound to be a heavy nerd populus but holy shit, is there that much bad blood from bullying that you honestly believe this kids life should be ruined for making a few off color comments?
A) it may come as a shock to you but this occurred somewhere other than the states
B) he is a 25 year old man stalking the digital remains of deceased teenagers who took the time to make disturbing images of the kids and post them online
C) yes, we have bad blood. please see bob's magneto was right video.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
But who decides where that line starts/stops? Just the amount of time it's happenend? Does that mean I can troll you for an hour a day?
No, I was more going for the fact that the incident in question was aimed at a specific family (that makes very much a directed personal attack, you are directing what you're doing at them explicitly) compared to much wider statements which can more easily be shrugged off (I'm sure more people would be offended if you got pictures of someone having sex with one of their deceased loved ones and posted it to them than if you made 9/11 jokes related to the phrase 'towering inferno' on a forum or message board).

Honestly I'm not in the habit of finding cases of people mocking others. I'm sure that you could pick any YouTube video of the death of someone and find mockers though.
In other words your attempt at making a point against me backfired and now you're trying the 'but everyone does it!' defense which, by the way, doesn't really excuse anything, loads of people murder, steal and rape every day and I don't see any of us lining up to defend those crimes with that arguement (try pulling that excuse out the next time you're in trouble for anything, I guarentee you that the response you'll get from most people will be 'and I don't give a damn').

In fact, I'd challenge you to find any YouTube about a death that doesn't have some douche-nozzle mocking it - repeatedly.
As a general rule I tend not to look at the comments on Youtube that much (I tend to only be there for videos) and I know I'm not alone in that either.

From what I'm given to understand of the situation this wasn't just a guy making an inappropriate statement about the incident, he went to the tribute page for the grieving family and friends and proceeded to troll them over what is obviously going to be an extremely distressing subject.

This isn't some obscure easy to overlook piece of the general unpleasantness we expect of the internet (especially of Youtube comments sections) this was an active attempt to try and get at the family in question.

That doesn't make it a jailable offence. It just makes them a horrible human being. Which jail is only going to exaggerate.

What that person needs is help. And an unemployed Aspergers sufferer already needed that.
I'm an unemployed Asperger's sufferer and I don't sink to that level, clearly something else was at play here (ergo, the guy was an arse).

If following a family in grieving in order to have some fun at their expense isn't a serious offense to you then I'd hate to know what you consider to be going over the limit.

And like others have said, if mocking people repeatedly is a jailable offence, then Westboro Church, Glenn Beck and even Yahtzee would have been jailed a LONG time ago.
Yahtzee gets protection from this because his mocking tends to be light hearted satire and also tends to not target individuals (with the exception of those who have made public statements he disagrees with, in which case that more comes under expressing his disagreement than any actual cruelty), the WBC is openly reviled by a lot of people for their homophobic views but unfortuneately the fact that their belief stems from religious conviction means that it's harder for us to take action against such infringements (rest assured this would result in lots of people criticising such a thing as 'trying to opress their beliefs') and with Glenn Beck...I don't really know much about him or care who he is so I can't really comment on him.

In any case I'm going to guess that most of these people tend to be expressing disagreement with people and thus their mocking/trolling tends to be in expressing their views (the case that was stated in the beginning was seemingly just a case of cruelty for cruelty's sake).
 

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Draconalis said:
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Draconalis said:
your freedom of speech is null and void the moment it offends someone.
Causing offence to someone does not infringe their rights, because not being offended is not a right.

But it's irrelevant because the guy in this case was not jailed for causing offence, that would be rather Orwellian if he was. He was jailed for causing distress, which is quite different.
If I call you a fucking moron and you're not offended by it... Groovy

If You ARE offended by it... Well... here are the limits on freedom of speech

http://www.freedomforum.org/packages/first/curricula/educationforfreedom/supportpages/L04-LimitsFreedomSpeech.htm
I take it you don't see the hypocricy in saying that "If you offend someone your freedom of speech is null and void" and then calling him a fucking moron? By your logic you shouldnt've been allowed to say that.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
mariodude23 said:
Causing emotional distress on the other hand is literally a part of psychology and I can testify personally, as a person with clinical depression, that it has made me seriously consider suicide in the past.
Sansha said:
Insulting someone with generic names like that - myself being the target of both in my time - is far different from deliberately trying to upset a grieving family over the loss of such a young person to such a sudden and tragic accident.
But yet...and I'm trying to be sympathetic here...no-one that distressed you would ever be jailed for it.

I'm not saying this guy isn't a prick for what he's done. I'm just saying that there are far worse who don't get this, and the Law HAS to be seen to be fair. Or else we've just demonised the tools he used, rather than the person he is.
I see your point, and agree with you - by believing this punishment for this action should be widespread and make every troll think twice before doing it.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Jail?

Are we gonna start jailing people who call each other "fatty" or "four-eyes" next?
Can we? Please? Because that's exactly what the internet needs: consequences.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Neaco said:
The world isn't black and white.
Law has to be though. If it's grey, then you will have it painted one colour or the other by good lawyers.
laws change over time, expecting perfection from the government will leave you disappointed.
 

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Guitarmasterx7 said:
bit of a dick.
You see, this is where it becomes a bit of a grey area to me. I don't think he's a "bit" of a dick, I think he's a huuuuuge dick. Like, porn-star sized. Ultimately, whilst I think we're all coming to the same conclusion that 4 months of jail time - if any jail time - is a bit harsh, there still need to be some kind of punishment for shit like this. For no reason he baited and insulted familes who were attempting to grieve for the loss of their children. Their fucking children for crying out loud.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
mariodude23 said:
Causing emotional distress on the other hand is literally a part of psychology and I can testify personally, as a person with clinical depression, that it has made me seriously consider suicide in the past.
Sansha said:
Insulting someone with generic names like that - myself being the target of both in my time - is far different from deliberately trying to upset a grieving family over the loss of such a young person to such a sudden and tragic accident.
But yet...and I'm trying to be sympathetic here...no-one that distressed you would ever be jailed for it.

I'm not saying this guy isn't a prick for what he's done. I'm just saying that there are far worse who don't get this, and the Law HAS to be seen to be fair. Or else we've just demonised the tools he used, rather than the person he is.
The distress caused to me happened strictly on private property that was run by apathetic, underpaid assholes. I will resent this till the day I die. This guy on the other hand did it publicly where the law has full control of him, compared to where I was, which the law could only take precedent if it was a "serious" crime (ie murder, drug deal etc).