IQ

[Datalord]

I'm Sorry, i don't like having to do this, but if i don't i think i will explode.
I was reading the "Great Intelligence brings great insanity" thread and i read a few posts implying that if you had a high IQ it meant you were smart.

The IQ scale was developed by Arthur Binet as a method to identify Mental Illness in children. If your score is higher than someone else's, it does not, i repeat, DOES NOT mean you are smarter than they are. After your score passes 80, it means nothing, if it is lower you might have mental retardation. Arthur Binet thought it would be impossible to numerically show intelligence.

Since that has been clarified, lets discuss the true nature of intelligence
Who do you think is smarter, the guy who memorized the multiplication table to the 10000's, the guy who knows every country's capital city, the guy who can soliloquize Shakespeare, or the guy who can mathematically prove not all infinities are equal?

 

[Lord Krunk]

Really? You learn something new every day.

EDIT: I never trusted the IQ tests anyway, as one of the tests involves you drawing figure 8s. How are you supposed to measure intelligence with that?

 

[jamesworkshop]

Intelligence is the ability to solve problems the first 3 have good memories but thats all so I would say the maths guy because maths is a problem solving activity

 

[mokes310]

Like any standardized test of intelligence, I think it's flawed. I have a friend who scored damn near perfect on his ACTs, yet when it came to common sense, this kid was dumber than a box of rocks. I don't see the IQ test as anything different.

 

[Wormthong]

yes realy i dont kow any of these people but i do know a savant and he is Intelligent in a way but you could also say a painter is Intelligent (even if he does not do well in school) its just that a lot of people have different aproaches to Intelligence.

 

[Vivvav]

There was a guy I met this summer named Ben. He was in awesome physical condition, incredibly intelligent, and one of the nicest and most sensible guys you'll ever meet. This made him a dick, because he was perfect.
But seriously, Ben was a cool guy to hang out with. I remember one time we were discussing the nature of intelligence. He said a statement I agree fully with:
"Intelligence isn't how well you do in school. It's your capability to solve problems."
We were explaining this to a dumbass who claimed he was smart because he got straight A's in school. While explaining this, the other guy got his head stuck between 2 bus seats.

 

[Kukakkau]

yea i got a very high score in a UK IQ test and im not the sharpest tool in the box so i dont believe in IQs value ^^

 

[Datalord]

There was a guy I met this summer named Ben. He was in awesome physical condition, incredibly intelligent, and one of the nicest and most sensible guys you'll ever meet. This made him a dick, because he was perfect.
But seriously, Ben was a cool guy to hang out with. I remember one time we were discussing the nature of intelligence. He said a statement I agree fully with:
"Intelligence isn't how well you do in school. It's your capability to solve problems."
We were explaining this to a dumbass who claimed he was smart because he got straight A's in school. While explaining this, the other guy got his head stuck between 2 bus seats.

Did this happen in the USA, because with our school system you have kids with trisomy 21 going "I GOTS A 4.0 GPS" because of how easy everything is.

 

[Avida]

OP, mathmatically proving not all infinities are equal doesnt strike me as too difficult. Take an infinitely large tube of smarties, containing an infinite amount of every colour, if you remove the blues, an infinite amount, you have an infinite amount left.

Inf - Inf = Inf

So the 2nd must be smaller

Right?

Anyway to the rest of your arguement, i disagree, a high IQ does not prove nothing, is just that inteligence is a wide and badly defined subject and IQ doesnt measure every aspect.

 

[Anarchemitis]

Really? You learn something new every day.

EDIT: I never trusted the IQ tests anyway, as one of the tests involves you drawing figure 8s. How are you supposed to measure intelligence with that?

I know. Made no sense to me either before now.

 

[xxcloud417xx]

I'm Sorry, i don't like having to do this, but if i don't i think i will explode.
I was reading the "Great Intelligence brings great insanity" thread and i read a few posts implying that if you had a high IQ it meant you were smart.

The IQ scale was developed by Arthur Binet as a method to identify Mental Illness in children. If your score is higher than someone else's, it does not, i repeat, DOES NOT mean you are smarter than they are. After your score passes 80, it means nothing, if it is lower you might have mental retardation. Arthur Binet thought it would be impossible to numerically show intelligence.

Since that has been clarified, lets discuss the true nature of intelligence
Who do you think is smarter, the guy who memorized the multiplication table to the 10000's, the guy who knows every country's capital city, the guy who can soliloquize Shakespeare, or the guy who can mathematically prove not all infinities are equal?

Well since this thread started with a clarification I would also like to clarify something :

There is a big difference between being intelligent and being educated.

Intelligent people are the ones who will pick up things quickly, who will learn things of the world on their own, and who will use what they have learned to advance other things. And that can take care of themselves when facing the unknown.

Educated people can be intelligent but it is not always the case. They will learn all there is to know, and will sound very smart. But put in a situation that they have never learned anything about and they will most likely fail do get out of that situation.

So Learning your multiplication tables isn't being smart it's being educated and learning by heart. Same thing with learning the capitals and soliloquize Shakespeare (unless of course he is being expressive and acting, but was never taught the specific expressions required for the Shakespearean play he is reciting, that's being intelligent). But If the person who can prove that not all infinities are equal was not taught to do this but maybe taught math and found it out by using what he had learned, then yes he is very smart.

 

[s0denone]

I agree with everyone else here, I suppose my IQ score of 81 doesn't mean anything then.

HEHEHHHHH *Gasps for air*

 

[Grenbyron]

I believe there are different types of smart. There is book smart, world smart, and social smart. The rule as I have observed it is you can be any of these things but you can only pick two. The IQ test as a rule is heavily flawed. Most paper tests are heavily flawed as the human mind is better at patterns, shapes, and muscle memory.

 

[mark_n_b]

I'm Sorry, i don't like having to do this, but if i don't i think i will explode.
I was reading the "Great Intelligence brings great insanity" thread and i read a few posts implying that if you had a high IQ it meant you were smart.

The IQ scale was developed by Arthur Binet as a method to identify Mental Illness in children. If your score is higher than someone else's, it does not, i repeat, DOES NOT mean you are smarter than they are. After your score passes 80, it means nothing, if it is lower you might have mental retardation. Arthur Binet thought it would be impossible to numerically show intelligence.

That is true to a point. However it has been demonstrated that people who regularly score significantly higher IQ are in fact (as demonstrated by income, academic success, and life achievement) more intelligent.

This isn't a "110 is smarter than 108" sort of thing, but someone who scores 140 in an IQ test has been proven to be more intelligent than someone who scores 90 (excusing obvious caveats like autistic savantism).

This does have less to do with quantifiable intelligence, though, and more to do with the fact that the smarter individual would excel in any testing situation cerberus paribus.

 

[JDLY]

I find that IQ tests can have flaws.
I call myself smart when comparing myself to most of my school (high school).

I never study, ace all my tests, and can solve a Rubik's Cube in about a minute. But if you were to ask me to take a spelling test and look at my results only for that you'd probably consider me an utter moron.

I believe that, were I to take an IQ test, my score would be high for people my age, but that might have something to do with my abundance of common sense, logic, and ability to think things out.

 

[Datalord]

I'm Sorry, i don't like having to do this, but if i don't i think i will explode.
I was reading the "Great Intelligence brings great insanity" thread and i read a few posts implying that if you had a high IQ it meant you were smart.

The IQ scale was developed by Arthur Binet as a method to identify Mental Illness in children. If your score is higher than someone else's, it does not, i repeat, DOES NOT mean you are smarter than they are. After your score passes 80, it means nothing, if it is lower you might have mental retardation. Arthur Binet thought it would be impossible to numerically show intelligence.

That is true to a point. However it has been demonstrated that people who regularly score significantly higher IQ are in fact (as demonstrated by income, academic success, and life achievement) more intelligent.

This isn't a "110 is smarter than 108" sort of thing, but someone who scores 140 in an IQ test has been proven to be more intelligent than someone who scores 90 (excusing obvious caveats like autistic savantism).

This does have less to do with quantifiable intelligence, though, and more to do with the fact that the smarter individual would excel in any testing situation cerberus paribus.

were you paying attention? i am trying to get people to discuss the nature of intelligence, the only thing the IQ test can prove is if you had mental retardation

 

[ParkourMcGhee]

Even I can prove not infinities are equal puh. You missed out "a guy who can get a girl into bed". I'd say IQ is a representation of logic combined with a knowledge of language. It predisposes you to do well academically due to you 'naturally being able to learn' but it doesn't mean that you actually do anything with it.

 

[JDLY]

I like xxcloud417xx's definition.

(13th post, as I'm on a PS3 at the moment and can't quote the whole thing)

EDIT: Because it makes sense (and maybe a little bit because his definition of intelligent discribes me very well)

 

[Zetona]

Intelligence is the ability to solve problems the first 3 have good memories but thats all so I would say the maths guy because maths is a problem solving activity

But you can just memorize that mathematical proof. Here's the real question. Who was smarter: Shakespeare, for composing all the soliloquies in the first place, or the mathematician who first proved that all infinities are not equal?

 

[Datalord]

Intelligence is the ability to solve problems the first 3 have good memories but thats all so I would say the maths guy because maths is a problem solving activity

But you can just memorize that mathematical proof. Here's the real question. Who was smarter: Shakespeare, for composing all the soliloquies in the first place, or the mathematician who first proved that all infinities are not equal?

Well the guy who proved that not all infinities are equal also did a lot of other proofs, he just didn't get as much publicity as Shakespeare