While I do agree that the US attitude towards Iran is overly and needlessly aggressive, and that Iran actually poesses no threat at all to the western world. It must be noted that the iranian nuclear program is attempting to enrich fuel to 35% enrichment. To put that into context even PWR (the most widely used nuclear power plants and te highest in terms of enrichment needed) only need a 5-6% enrichment. Nuclear weapons however require a 90% enrichment BUT that it piss easy to achieve compared to the first 35% enrichment.The Plunk said:Presumably Israel is up to its usual shenanigans again. Surely this is illegal?
Antari said:Iran has done pretty much everything but actually declare war. So what better way to get them to attack than to drive them insane with AC/DC. Once they make a move, then public support will be available for a war. Then the AC/DC will be playing from the cockpits of Apache's and F-15's, where it can actually be enjoyed. I look forward to the gunsight video footage.
Trying to harness nuclear power is not a declaration of war.
Well to address your points in order.NinjaDeathSlap said:Not to say that I sympathise with the Iranian regime, because I don't, but I think we're coming at this from all the wrong angles.JWAN said:They probably had to stone everyone to death that was in earshot for being corrupted by the infidels.
I would just like to remind everyone that Iran is one of those countries that stone gay people to death. Not the kinda country that should have a nuclear powered everything.
Yes I have been to Iran, and I did get to experience the police state at its finest. It was a great time.
Firstly, why do Iran's social issues matter in the context of whether or not they should be allowed Nuclear power? Are they suddenly going to start stoning gay people with radioactive stones? I doubt it.
Secondly, look at any industrial revolution of any country in the world, and you will see that is is technological advancement that eventually fuels social advancement coming in behind it. Who's to say that it's not us, restricting Iran's own ability to improve itself technologically, that's keeping a large amount of their society in the dark ages when it comes to attitudes towards other things? Western countries have hardly the best track record throughout history when it comes to social equality and fairness. However, as technology made our lives easier, we gradually became more open and accepting of our fellow man. The same thing could happen in Iran, but only if we allow it to happen.
Thirdly, why is it that the nation who has set itself up as the moral authority on who in this world does or doesn't 'deserve' the capacity to make nuclear weapons, is so far the only country on Earth to have actually used nuclear weapons in anger. Am I the only one who sees the aching hypocrisy of such a claim? America wipes out two Japanese cities, most of the casualties being civilians, and then turns around to everyone else and tries to claim that America is the only one responsible enough to control such power... what the fuck?! Would I like the idea of the current regime in Iran having a nuclear weapon? No (I think the whole world should be pushing for fewer nukes, not more). However, at this point I'd rather that than let this disgraceful and blatant double-standard continue.
Finally, even if Iran does start building nuclear weapons off the back of a nuclear power program (which is all we've been able to prove that they want in all this time btw), then what do you think the chances are that they will actually use them aggressively? The regime is evil, but it's not stupid. They know that if they attacked anyone, especially Israel, then it would be seen as an act of war on the entire western world, and there's no way they could build enough nukes to match that combined force. If they went to war, even with nuclear arms, they would get slaughtered and they know it, so I highly doubt that they're going to. They will use nuclear weapons for what everyone else uses them for, a deterrent, a defensive measure in case anyone wants to attack them, and (putting aside my own distaste for nuclear weapons in general and speaking purely in the interests of fairness) I don't see what's so horrifying about that possibility.
It certainly is.maninahat said:Charming. It's just as well that the forum rules discourage us from making personal remarks.
Then a radical religious dictatorship would have access to enriched uranium. For fuck's sake, why are there people here supporting the Iranian government? It's own people tried to revolt and they were brutally slapped down.maninahat said:If America facilitated Iran's power program....
I think that you have no idea what you're talking about. That, or you are underestimating their resolve.maninahat said:Iran is not suicidal; it knows it can't use nukes without being annihilated.
I think it's less about actively supporting the Iranian regime, and more pointing out that, when it comes to nuclear matters, we (and by that I mean most of the western world, not just the US) are far from being in the position of moral authority that we like to think we're in, and that constantly flexing our muscles towards Iran whenever they express an interest in enriching Uranium is far from the most pragmatic way to avoid conflict.DRes82 said:Then a radical religious dictatorship would have access to enriched uranium. For fuck's sake, why are there people here supporting the Iranian government? It's own people tried to revolt and they were brutally slapped down.
What, you mean how they've been pounded by American missile drones, how their scientists have been assassinated by American weapons, how their facilities have been repeatedly sabotaged by Israelis and Americans? Or were you talking about all the times Iran has fired weapons at American soil and supported insurgencies against the States whilst surrounding them with military bases and demanding trade embargoes?Antari said:They have done one hell of a lot more than just start a nuclear power program over the years. If you kept up with events a little more closely than headlines you'd know that.The Plunk said:Presumably Israel is up to its usual shenanigans again. Surely this is illegal?
Antari said:Iran has done pretty much everything but actually declare war. So what better way to get them to attack than to drive them insane with AC/DC. Once they make a move, then public support will be available for a war. Then the AC/DC will be playing from the cockpits of Apache's and F-15's, where it can actually be enjoyed. I look forward to the gunsight video footage.
Trying to harness nuclear power is not a declaration of war.
Thank you - the Iranian government may be sucky, but that doesn't give the US carte blanch to blow them up at their leisure. All the lies, sabotage and assassinations - aren't these things illegal?!NinjaDeathSlap said:I think it's less about actively supporting the Iranian regime, and more pointing out that, when it comes to nuclear matters, we (and by that I mean most of the western world, not just the US) are far from being in the position of moral authority that we like to think we're in, and that constantly flexing our muscles towards Iran whenever they express an interest in enriching Uranium is far from the most pragmatic way to avoid conflict.DRes82 said:Then a radical religious dictatorship would have access to enriched uranium. For fuck's sake, why are there people here supporting the Iranian government? It's own people tried to revolt and they were brutally slapped down.
No! No time to think - no time to even come up with a new line, just go with the one that worked last time - "It's an evil dictatorship that has WMDs, so we need to invade them NOW. For their own good. (Also, I hear they have some oil... maybe we could, erm, "invest in their infrastructure"?)I know more support the current regime in Iran than I supported Saddam's regime in Iraq (i.e. not even a little bit), but look at what a mess we made when we went to war with him over suspected WMD. The Iraqi people couldn't wait to see Saddam gone either at first, until they realised that all we'd done was make everything worse for them on the basis of looking for weapons that didn't exist. Maybe the current situation with Iran would be the perfect opportunity for us all to calm down, take a step back, and start learning from our mistakes.
Thinking more along the lines of the support they give to terrorist organizations. All the weaponry that was made in or for Iran that showed up in Iraq and Afghanistan. The attempts they continue to make to blockade the persian gulf. The US doesn't automatically detain Iranian citizens just because they are Iranian, however if your American/Europian and go anywhere near Iran you've got a good chance of seeing prison, especially if you haven't done anything. There is always the Iran Contra issue. There are many other examples but thats just what I can list at 7am while I'm still half asleep. Neither side is perfect, but I'd rather be an American dealing with a barely functioning government than a Iranian bowing down to a Supreme Leader with ideals on the level with most dictatorships on the planet.Wicky_42 said:What, you mean how they've been pounded by American missile drones, how their scientists have been assassinated by American weapons, how their facilities have been repeatedly sabotaged by Israelis and Americans? Or were you talking about all the times Iran has fired weapons at American soil and supported insurgencies against the States whilst surrounding them with military bases and demanding trade embargoes?Antari said:They have done one hell of a lot more than just start a nuclear power program over the years. If you kept up with events a little more closely than headlines you'd know that.The Plunk said:Presumably Israel is up to its usual shenanigans again. Surely this is illegal?
Antari said:Iran has done pretty much everything but actually declare war. So what better way to get them to attack than to drive them insane with AC/DC. Once they make a move, then public support will be available for a war. Then the AC/DC will be playing from the cockpits of Apache's and F-15's, where it can actually be enjoyed. I look forward to the gunsight video footage.
Trying to harness nuclear power is not a declaration of war.
If a temporary fix entails unplugging your speakers, then I somehow doubt it's going to drive their sanity very far along the highway to hell.Antari said:Iran has done pretty much everything but actually declare war. So what better way to get them to attack than to drive them insane with AC/DC.
Very true, as international attacks go. This is pretty weak. A minor annoyance at best.Kargathia said:If a temporary fix entails unplugging your speakers, then I somehow doubt it's going to drive their sanity very far along the highway to hell.Antari said:Iran has done pretty much everything but actually declare war. So what better way to get them to attack than to drive them insane with AC/DC.
I'd say chances are this is the work of a hobbyist, who merely wanted to prove he got in.Antari said:Very true, as international attacks go. This is pretty weak. A minor annoyance at best.Kargathia said:If a temporary fix entails unplugging your speakers, then I somehow doubt it's going to drive their sanity very far along the highway to hell.Antari said:Iran has done pretty much everything but actually declare war. So what better way to get them to attack than to drive them insane with AC/DC.
"The Pursuit of Vikings" would be awesome lol or some good Metallica with "Fuel" x)Blablahb said:Iran should be glad those hackers who made the virus have never heard of Amon Amarth.
All the Iranian citizens currently incarcerated in Guantanamo Bay, without charge, four years after Guantanamo Bay was supposed to be shut down, tell a different story. At least Iran later released the British and US citizens that they kidnapped.Antari said:The US doesn't automatically detain Iranian citizens just because they are Iranian
They'd be thunderstruck by the might of Thor, in that case.Blablahb said:Iran should be glad those hackers who made the virus have never heard of Amon Amarth.