Ireland's Catholic glasses

[Pandalisk]

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I generally love my country even with all its faults, but i cannot forgive its large religious background that continues to influence political decisions. I am not against religion i am religious myself, what i cannot stand is their need to force their beliefs and morals onto others, this is even worse when said person is in political power.

Now there are many examples of this but i choose to concentrate on abortion, specifically the Abortion pill (RU486), why they do not allow the pill to be in use is beyond me, it works and is safe (those that think otherwise i remind you that "Correlation does not imply causation")and yet it is not allowed in this country, partly due to large catholic based pro-life groups,this pill is illegal in this country and yet women will continue to obtain it get abortions, is it not safer on them to make it legal so it can be properly supervised?. i am a stern believer in each persons right to choose what they think is best for themselves so moral reasons aside i think abortion should be allowed, you might think the child has a right to life or you could give the baby up for adoption but then again they are not you, they might not want to, or find the idea of giving birth traumatising, it is not your right to question the mothers decision, it is hers and hers alone. (i am un-decided about this being true on over 18's as they full adults, but young teenagers are learning, they experiment, it is a part of life, i have no doubt in my mind they deserve to have a choice in having a baby or not, but this is not the point, if women are going to get an abortion (and if they are set on it they will!) should they not have a place to have a legal, clean and safe abortion in Ireland?.

 

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Well, it didn't help when the English were constantly fighting in Ireland. Because that helped to create a sense of ultranationalism between the Irish. Thus allowing the religious groups to gain a tighter hold on the population. (You know that whole fight the Protestant invaders argument) But, it will probably be a while before the Catholics relinquish control of their position and stop pushing their political agenda. Or Ireland to try to separate church and state. But frankly not even America can do that most of the time.

 

[Pandalisk]

Yes they should have a place to have abortions. My problem with Ireland though is all the insane religious terrorists.

What like the IRA? its less about religion and more about wanting NI back nowadays, religion is just a political tool to them

Well, it didn't help when the English were constantly fighting in Ireland. Because that helped to create a sense of ultranationalism between the Irish. Thus allowing the religious groups to gain a tighter hold on the population. (You know that whole fight the Protestant invaders argument) But, it will probably be a while before the Catholics relinquish control of their position and stop pushing their political agenda. Or Ireland to try to separate church and state. But frankly not even America can do that most of the time.

The separation of church and state just seems naturally logical to me, why noone in this godamn country has tried to enact it is beyond me, its like the Lisbon treaty, we said No fucking full stop, and yet here they are ramming it down our throuts again, where are the fucking protesters dammit?

 

[traceur_]

Religion should have no place in politics, I'm pro-choice and it confuses me that a country would outright ban abortions.

 

[pantsoffdanceoff]

I thought it was ruled that victims of rape could go to London to get an abortion?

 

[traceur_]

Religion should have no place in politics, I'm pro-choice and it confuses me that a country would outright ban abortions.

Because many see it as a form of murder. Don't you think everyone has a chance at life?

The choice belongs to the woman and only the woman, no one else should have the power to take away that choice.

 

[Pandalisk]

Religion should have no place in politics, I'm pro-choice and it confuses me that a country would outright ban abortions.

Because many see it as a form of murder. Don't you think everyone has a chance at life?

ah but thats just the thing, thats an OPINION not a fact, and as for a chance at life, its all well and good screaming this to the heavens but its not your baby and you are not in the circumstances (have you ever been in those circumstances?), the mental damage having a baby when you are un-prepared are devastating, people take the pill dont they? thats legal isn't it? abortion and the pill are generally the same, its a massive hypicritical stance.

It is not a pro-life groups baby, it is the mothers it is much more damaging to her ethier way and it is disrespectful to force peoples opinions onto the mother, it will always be her choice and you must respect it, but this is not about the morality of it, this is about having clinics in Ireland so that women in this situation who have chosen abortion, do not need to do it illegaly and potentialy harm themselves because it is illegal, people who have their minds set on it will try their hardest to acheive it, why not make it safe for them?.

 

[Pandalisk]

Religion should have no place in politics, I'm pro-choice and it confuses me that a country would outright ban abortions.

Because many see it as a form of murder. Don't you think everyone has a chance at life?

The choice belongs to the woman and only the woman, no one else should have the power to take away that choice.

Said women should practice safer sex. And if its rape then give it up after its born. Just because you don't want it doesn't make it right.

Even when they do conception can happen, others such as kids are still learning about matters of life and they cannot be held to blame, and "if its rape give it up after its born" is immensely disrespectful on the woman, can you imagine the psychological damage that are placed upon the woman? they should not have to deal with the burden of rearing a child that was FORCED UPON THEM! it could lead them to a mentally damaging state!.. and just because thats your view and the subject does not make it right either, that is much too black and white, it is not that simple.

and nethier is saying things along the lines of "shoulda kept your bloody legs closed"

I thought it was ruled that victims of rape could go to London to get an abortion?

True but There have been cases of loopholes being used to prevent this.

 

[Rotating Bread]

In recent years Ireland has become a thoroughly modern and forward looking country with (until very recently) a robust economy at the heart of Europe. The position of the church in Irish society does seem like a throwback to a bygone age and runs contrary to Ireland's otherwise modern ideals.

It will be interesting to see how the country will change in the coming years, and if the surge in secularism seen in the UK in the last few years will cross the Irish sea.