Ironman2 Trailer....droooooooooool

[TOGSolid]

I still want to hang on to the belief that the Whiplash mentionings are just Favreau being sneaky, lol. I'd hate for him to just end up being the same half-assed villain that the original Whiplash was.

 

[AceDiamond]

There's too much to point to the listing of him as Whiplash as nothing more than a snowjob. His character's name is Ivan Vanko, same as the original Crimson Dynamo (feel free to google that). Also, with the Black Widow in there, it fits in perfectly with Vanko's history. Finally, and while this is a tenuous connection at best, but I think still a fair one, there is a guy in a suit of armor trompsing around the Iron Man 2 game trailer that's got a big fat Russian star right on its chest. The game is tenuous evidence sure, but I feel it's at least worth throwing in since it is a movie tie in game.
The actual Whiplash villain is a complete toolbag that's never managed to do anything successful. Each one of his fights ends with him getting his ass beat and then finally killed. I highly doubt a sack of shit like the actual Whiplash would be the big villain in a new Iron Man movie.
The only other two explanations is that they either they combined the two into one character to allow Vanko to start out as Whiplash and then transition to being the Crimson Dynamo or they just completely fucked over established Iron Man lore and are just making shit up.

Anton Venko was the name of the original Crimson Dynamo. Feel free to Google that.

Anyway, the idea was, if I recall, to mix elements of both Whiplash and the Crimson Dynamo together for the film. Possibly because the Cold War has been over for almost 2 decades now, but I don't exactly remember the specifics. Also you do realize that this film continuity is borrowing from multiple sources on Iron Man, including the Ultimate version given that Samuel L. Jackson is Nick Fury, so some "established lore" is going to get "fucked", yes. And if you're complaining about that now I'd hate to have seen your reaction to them doing the Iron Monger arc before the arcs involving Justin Hammer that they're doing in the second film. I mean talk about "fucking over established lore" (sarcasm obvious). If you're that worried about established lore, I suggest not going to watch this movie...or any other comic book movie for that matter because none of them have done a 1:1 perfect comic translation, not even the great ones.

Really now this isn't anything new, not even the TV series followed the comics to the letter.

And yes, there is a version of the Crimson Dynamo in the video game but that's not the film and doesn't count...especially if the game sucks like the first tie-in did.

 

[Yog Sothoth]

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This is where the problem lies. I don't think Don Cheadle suits what they're trying to do here. Changing actors between films is never a good idea, and I really think they could have found a more militaristic black actor to be Jim Rhodes than Don Cheadle. Terrence Howard's good for instance.

I don't care for switching actors for major roles either, but since it looks like they had to do it, at least they came up with someone who's got the chops. It certainly isn't ideal, but it can work if handled properly... For example, I thought that Maggie Gyllenhaal was an acceptable replacement for Katie Holmes in The Dark Knight...

 

[LockeDown]

Cheadle's a great actor, no doubt. But as has been said before, I agree with others who say he's not the right fit for Rhodie. Howard was better, but I still get the feeling that there's someone out there better still.

Either way, merged villain lore or not, this movie will still probably one of the big contenders in 2010 for "Best Summer Movie".

 

[TOGSolid]

There's too much to point to the listing of him as Whiplash as nothing more than a snowjob. His character's name is Ivan Vanko, same as the original Crimson Dynamo (feel free to google that). Also, with the Black Widow in there, it fits in perfectly with Vanko's history. Finally, and while this is a tenuous connection at best, but I think still a fair one, there is a guy in a suit of armor trompsing around the Iron Man 2 game trailer that's got a big fat Russian star right on its chest. The game is tenuous evidence sure, but I feel it's at least worth throwing in since it is a movie tie in game.
The actual Whiplash villain is a complete toolbag that's never managed to do anything successful. Each one of his fights ends with him getting his ass beat and then finally killed. I highly doubt a sack of shit like the actual Whiplash would be the big villain in a new Iron Man movie.
The only other two explanations is that they either they combined the two into one character to allow Vanko to start out as Whiplash and then transition to being the Crimson Dynamo or they just completely fucked over established Iron Man lore and are just making shit up.

Anton Venko was the name of the original Crimson Dynamo. Feel free to Google that.

Anyway, the idea was, if I recall, to mix elements of both Whiplash and the Crimson Dynamo together for the film. Possibly because the Cold War has been over for almost 2 decades now, but I don't exactly remember the specifics. Also you do realize that this film continuity is borrowing from multiple sources on Iron Man, including the Ultimate version given that Samuel L. Jackson is Nick Fury, so some "established lore" is going to get "fucked", yes. And if you're complaining about that now I'd hate to have seen your reaction to them doing the Iron Monger arc before the arcs involving Justin Hammer that they're doing in the second film. I mean talk about "fucking over established lore" (sarcasm obvious). If you're that worried about established lore, I suggest not going to watch this movie...or any other comic book movie for that matter because none of them have done a 1:1 perfect comic translation, not even the great ones.

Really now this isn't anything new, not even the TV series followed the comics to the letter.

And yes, there is a version of the Crimson Dynamo in the video game but that's not the film and doesn't count...especially if the game sucks like the first tie-in did.

Yeah, I mean to say last name. I have a problem with dropping words when I'm typing. I really do think there's going to be more to Vanko than just him whipping a car in half. It's just too big of a storyline merge for it not to go somewhere interesting.

 

[SovietSecrets]

Bad ass, cant wait for this and Holmes in December.

 

[LockeDown]

I thought that Maggie Gyllenhaal was an acceptable replacement for Katie Holmes in The Dark Knight...

I don't mind swapping actors out when it's appropriate either, but honestly, you're using Rachel Dawes as an example?

Spoiler

She serves as nothing more than Harvey's fuel for his descent into evil, and could have been played by a dead fish (dressed appropriately) and been just as effective.

 

[lightning38]

whats the song that plays about halfway through when mickey rourke is talking?

 

[Yog Sothoth]

I thought that Maggie Gyllenhaal was an acceptable replacement for Katie Holmes in The Dark Knight...

I don't mind swapping actors out when it's appropriate either, but honestly, you're using Rachel Dawes as an example?

Spoiler

She serves as nothing more than Harvey's fuel for his descent into evil, and could have been played by a dead fish (dressed appropriately) and been just as effective.

Sorry, was the first instance that came to mind... While she does serve only one purpose in that film, I'd argue that she had an awful lot of screen time in order to establish that.

 

[Zing]

Whiplash looks awesome.

 

[mechanixis]

Aha! I was pretty annoyed with Whiplash being the main villain - when you're a superhero on the global scale like Iron Man, you need to be going up against something a little more cerebral than "a man with some laser-whips" - but if he somehow transitions to Crimson Dynamo, that would be awesome. I love all the Russian superheros that pop in and out of Iron Man.

 

[pearcinator]

tbh...that trailer didnt amaze me that much and I have a feeling that it wont be as good as the 1st one (which was awesome btw).

We will see though...the trailer was half cheese, quarter build-up and quarter of a little bit of action.

The action looked cool and the build up was fine but I just cant get over how cheesy the 1st half was. Complete Hollywood Bullshit.

 

[WolfThomas]

I love all the Russian superheros that pop in and out of Iron Man.

URSA MAJOR! He turns into a bear!

 

[AgDr_ODST]

to quote a friend "I think I just creamed my panties", seriously this movie is gonna be off the friggin chain even though like most of you Im on the fence as to wether(sp?) or not Cheadle can pull it off as Rhodes.

 

[Sven und EIN HUND]

Yeah, I just saw it earlier... It actually looks really promising, if a bit "'SPLOSIONS!!"

 

[Scikosomatic]

mommy, i made an accident.....lol

 

[hazabaza1]

Hey, Iron 2 Man.
Anyway, looks pretty good so far, but why's Tony in a car? He's freakin' IRON MAN.


Anyway, hope they have more of the scenes where he flies around blowing crap up. That was the best bit of the first movie.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Curious question:

Why is it coming out 27 April in Sweden? That is before the American release date. That never happens.

 

[Gildan Bladeborn]

Curious question:

Why is it coming out 27 April in Sweden? That is before the American release date. That never happens.

Ahem. [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145487/releaseinfo] As you can see, Spiderman was released in The Philippines, Kazakhstan, Singapore and Yugoslavia prior to the American release date.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Curious question:

Why is it coming out 27 April in Sweden? That is before the American release date. That never happens.

Ahem. [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145487/releaseinfo] As you can see, Spiderman was released in The Philippines, Kazakhstan, Singapore and Yugoslavia prior to the American release date.

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My mind just imploded.