Is bad single player excusable?

[keinechance]

"Is bad single player excusable?"

No.

 

[TheOneBearded]

Bad single player is even more inexcusable when they try to tack on multiplayer in a game that doesn't need it and end using up resources that could have been used to polish and better the single player.

 

[Nazulu]

Nah, I like big dumb generic shooters, and I do like to see my games reimagined.

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what are you doing on the escapist?....

....are you an alien?

I am that rare person who still plays games to have fun. That does indeed qualify me as an alien in this day and age.

Care to explain what everyone else does with video games?

Well, from what I see lately, they buy them so they can complain about them.

So if they complain about something they don't like in a game, you think they don't buy games for fun?

 

[Nazulu]

Well, from what I see lately, they buy them so they can complain about them.

That and to talk about how art games don't need to be fun, just engaging. Playing purely for fun does make you an odd duck around here.

Who the hell said art games don't need to be fun? That's so ridiculous I reckon you are making it up.

It also adds another level to the explanation of the anti-multiplayer bias around here, beyond "Yahtzee doesn't like it, let's quote him!"

Or maybe they just agree with him? You and your blanket statements, I swear.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Sometime but not all the time, e.g. I bought The Conduit 2 for the multiplayer since I already know that the single player campaign is dull (however it does unlock some reward for multiplater) while the other game The Last Story had a dull multiplayer (it could of been better but sadly it wasn't) while the single player is decent.

 

[lacktheknack]

No. I hate most multiplayer, so single-player is what I actually care about.

 

[370999]

Depends on the game. I don't play multiplayer, I have no interest but I'm fine with a game not having a single player, or the single player being a tutorial, if it means it can do the multiplayer part right.

 

[F'Angus]

Well I don't have many games that don't have a good single-player, and the ones that I do own without single player are games like TF2.

Multiplayer games should be focused on multiplayer like TF2...because the single player is usually poor.

 

[5-0]

If a game claims to offer both single and multiplayer, then it should do both well. Otherwise what is the point of including both. If a game has crap single player, then that's half of its promise out the window, and I believe a review score should therefore reflect this.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Well, from what I see lately, they buy them so they can complain about them.

That and to talk about how art games don't need to be fun, just engaging. Playing purely for fun does make you an odd duck around here.

Who the hell said art games don't need to be fun? That's so ridiculous I reckon you are making it up.

It also adds another level to the explanation of the anti-multiplayer bias around here, beyond "Yahtzee doesn't like it, let's quote him!"

Or maybe they just agree with him? You and your blanket statements, I swear.

Where have you been? People on these forums have been saying for ages that games need to be engaging, not necessarily fun. Personally I think they're crazy, but they do exist. Just do a forum search on "engaging" and your bound to turn some up.

The other was mostly a joke; it's an old running gag on these forums that Yahtzee has a lot of people who like to parrot him. Then it happened with Extra Credits. Now it's happening (to a certain extent) with Jim Sterling. It's weird, but also true.

Edit: Maybe "parrot" is too harsh of a term, but there's a lot of people who seem to like taking the opinion of people who make web shows as their own, and every time this place gets a new editorial video series, there's a huge group of people spouting the opinions of the people on the show, who weren't saying anything of the sort before the show came out. It's true of individual videos within the shows, too.

 

[Nazulu]

Well, from what I see lately, they buy them so they can complain about them.

That and to talk about how art games don't need to be fun, just engaging. Playing purely for fun does make you an odd duck around here.

Who the hell said art games don't need to be fun? That's so ridiculous I reckon you are making it up.

It also adds another level to the explanation of the anti-multiplayer bias around here, beyond "Yahtzee doesn't like it, let's quote him!"

Or maybe they just agree with him? You and your blanket statements, I swear.

Where have you been? People on these forums have been saying for ages that games need to be engaging, not necessarily fun. Personally I think they're crazy, but they do exist. Just do a forum search on "engaging" and your bound to turn some up.

The other was mostly a joke; it's an old running gag on these forums that Yahtzee has a lot of people who like to parrot him. Then it happened with Extra Credits. Now it's happening (to a certain extent) with Jim Sterling. It's weird, but also true.

Edit: Maybe "parrot" is too harsh of a term, but there's a lot of people who seem to like taking the opinion of people who make web shows as their own, and every time this place gets a new editorial video series, there's a huge group of people spouting the opinions of the people on the show, who weren't saying anything of the sort before the show came out. It's true of individual videos within the shows, too.

I wasn't on the Escapist for a whole year but I didn't see this engaging crap anywhere else. But I guess it is possible, from all the crazy shit I hear on the news and terrible entertainment today that's somehow popular, I guess it's possible.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

Obviously the single player is the only important thing.
That's why I hate these two pieces of crap I played called Team Fortress 2 and MAG. MAG's single player can be beaten in literally five minutes, if you go slow. TF2 doesn't even HAVE one.

God what terrible games

That is like saying I consider GTA 4 and HL 2 two pieces of crap, since GTA multiplayer was god awful, and Half Life didn't even have one.

Yes.
That is exactly what it is like
Because that is the idea behind the statement.
You are a silly person

 

[Iwata]

Nah, I like big dumb generic shooters, and I do like to see my games reimagined.

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................................

what are you doing on the escapist?....

....are you an alien?

I am that rare person who still plays games to have fun. That does indeed qualify me as an alien in this day and age.

Care to explain what everyone else does with video games?

Well, from what I see lately, they buy them so they can complain about them.

So if they complain about something they don't like in a game, you think they don't buy games for fun?

The way some communities react to the games they suposedly love, I do sometimes wonder why they buy the games myself. it's not just complaining. I complain about features I may not like in a game, but even that takes a distant second place to the fun I had playing it. We're past complaining. We're now into territory so past complaining that you'd think some people are forced to play games at gunpoint.

 

[bigfatcarp93]

It amazes me how people seem to forget that Single-Player is the MAIN POINT of video games. Multiplayer is the supplement.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

No. Either you do both single and multiplyer right, or you make choose one and axe the other and release the game for a reduced price. I hate it when they half ass games like this, especially if we're paying $60 per game.

 

[Nazulu]

The way some communities react to the games they suposedly love, I do sometimes wonder why they buy the games myself. it's not just complaining. I complain about features I may not like in a game, but even that takes a distant second place to the fun I had playing it. We're past complaining. We're now into territory so past complaining that you'd think some people are forced to play games at gunpoint.

Huh, I didn't think we would reach an agreement.

I call these people trained dogs who complain aggresively about certain developers work but still snaps up all their games.

 

[Hussmann54]

Short Answer: NO
Long Answer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[spartan231490]

If the game is designed for the multiplayer, then the single player is irrelevant, you're going to be spending the vast majority of your time on the multiplayer, not the single.

 

[dessertmonkeyjk]

No because once Multiplayer is no longer supported then it's the only thing left that you can actually do with it right out of the box.

 

[Iwata]

The way some communities react to the games they suposedly love, I do sometimes wonder why they buy the games myself. it's not just complaining. I complain about features I may not like in a game, but even that takes a distant second place to the fun I had playing it. We're past complaining. We're now into territory so past complaining that you'd think some people are forced to play games at gunpoint.

Huh, I didn't think we would reach an agreement.

I call these people trained dogs who complain aggresively about certain developers work but still snaps up all their games.

Well, we can agree on that, then. Nice talking to you.