Is Ben Croshaw always serious?

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Sung-Hwan

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I can't tell at this point. It's becoming an increasingly frustrating thing for me to deal with because I watch Zero Punctuation reviews once at least every night. Many times he will come off as very genuine and intelligent, other times like for Nier, Valkyria Chronicles, and Lightning Returns, I cannot honestly tell if he is being serious or trying to be inept to draw a mainstream audience to watch his reviews. I know the fast forward monologuing in ZP inherently makes his reviews comedic, but I am talking about what he actually says in the review.
 

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He likes what he likes and makes it incredibly clear what he doesn't like.

The stuff he likes he'll put the time and energy into (which comes off as genuine and intelligent) and the stuff that he doesn't care about doesn't get that treatment (even if it is as awesome as Valkyria Chronicles...). He acts inept at JRPG games like the ones you listed because HE IS inept at those games and doesn't like/care enough about those games to change that.
 

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His reviews are purely for entertainment value. He's pounded plenty of games I enjoy into the dirt, and despite his apparent disdain for something I enjoy, I laughed.
 

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Yeah, I'd say tippy and Fappy gave pretty good answers. If Yahtzee frankly doesn't care for a game, he'll let the viewers know pretty quickly and just have fun with it from there. I appreciate the candidness of his videos.

Whether he likes a game or not, I look forward to what he's going to say about them anyway because he has an amusing command of words.
 

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tippy2k2 said:
He likes what he likes and makes it incredibly clear what he doesn't like.

The stuff he likes he'll put the time and energy into (which comes off as genuine and intelligent) and the stuff that he doesn't care about doesn't get that treatment (even if it is as awesome as Valkyria Chronicles...). He acts inept at JRPG games like the ones you listed because HE IS inept at those games and doesn't like/care enough about those games to change that.
So there's no reason to get upset by this? Strange as that may sound, it has been something that has been eating away at me for a week.
 

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Sung-Hwan said:
So there's no reason to get upset by this? Strange as that may sound, it has been something that has been eating away at me for a week.
I have zero problems with it. For the most part, he makes his disdain known immediately (or I suppose for something like JRPGs and/or Nintendo, something you'd learn watching him over the years).

Besides, maybe others feel differently but he's an entertainer first and a reviewer...like....fiftieth? If he recommends something, I'll perk up and look into it but I do not and would never use him as a source for recommendations.
 

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tippy2k2 said:
Sung-Hwan said:
So there's no reason to get upset by this? Strange as that may sound, it has been something that has been eating away at me for a week.
I have zero problems with it. For the most part, he makes his disdain known immediately (or I suppose for something like JRPGs and/or Nintendo, something you'd learn watching him over the years).

Besides, maybe others feel differently but he's an entertainer first and a reviewer...like....fiftieth? If he recommends something, I'll perk up and look into it but I do not and would never use him as a source for recommendations.
Would you say watching Jim Sterling is a more viable option for insight than Ben? Never really watched his content.
 

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Would you say watching Jim Sterling is a more viable option for insight than Ben? Never really watched his content.
The only parts of Sterling I knew was Jimquisition, which wouldn't be a great source for gaming insight (on individual games that is) since he covers broad industry things and whatnot.

I did find when he did Escapist written reviews that he was very good at it. I don't know if he's still doing that with his new Patreon thing (I believe he is) but throw his name into Google and you can find his website pretty easily.

Ultimately, I find that you either want to find individual reviewers who's tastes align up with yours or always check multiple sources before you buy (I kind of inbetween as I always read The Escapist for their reviews but I always check other professional sites as well. I do not put any trust in user reviews and I do not use "Let's Play" or similar video reviews but that's my own line of thinking; maybe you'll find them better for you?).
 

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Fappy said:
His reviews are purely for entertainment value. He's pounded plenty of games I enjoy into the dirt, and despite his apparent disdain for something I enjoy, I laughed.
Yet ZP is about what ben likes/dislikes. I not quite sure how you come-up with "i disagree with someone therefore it's a joke". Comes off a little bit arrogant tbh.
 

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mad825 said:
Fappy said:
His reviews are purely for entertainment value. He's pounded plenty of games I enjoy into the dirt, and despite his apparent disdain for something I enjoy, I laughed.
Yet ZP is about what ben likes/dislikes. I not quite sure how you come-up with "i disagree with someone therefore it's a joke". Comes off a little bit arrogant tbh.
I think you misinterpreted my meaning. I was basically saying I still think his content is funny even if he's taking the piss out of a game I like.
 

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Fappy said:
mad825 said:
Fappy said:
His reviews are purely for entertainment value. He's pounded plenty of games I enjoy into the dirt, and despite his apparent disdain for something I enjoy, I laughed.
Yet ZP is about what ben likes/dislikes. I not quite sure how you come-up with "i disagree with someone therefore it's a joke". Comes off a little bit arrogant tbh.
I think you misinterpreted my meaning. I was basically saying I still think his content is funny even if he's taking the piss out of a game I like.
when you stated that His reviews are purely for entertainment value there isn't much room for interpretation. I do believe there's an element of personal truth in most of his review which is quite noticeable in his thi4f review.
 

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Zero punctuation is about two things: Finding flaws in games, and comedy. He achieves the latter by bashing the former. His video's aren't meant to be seen as reviews, as he nitpicks the smallest things if he has to. That being said, it does show a little when he does or doesn't like a game. But still, Zero Punctuation isn't a review series.
 

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mad825 said:
Fappy said:
mad825 said:
Fappy said:
His reviews are purely for entertainment value. He's pounded plenty of games I enjoy into the dirt, and despite his apparent disdain for something I enjoy, I laughed.
Yet ZP is about what ben likes/dislikes. I not quite sure how you come-up with "i disagree with someone therefore it's a joke". Comes off a little bit arrogant tbh.
I think you misinterpreted my meaning. I was basically saying I still think his content is funny even if he's taking the piss out of a game I like.
when you stated that His reviews are purely for entertainment value there isn't much room for interpretation. I do believe there's an element of personal truth in most of his review which is quite noticeable in his thi4f review.
Sanquin (above) echoed my thoughts rather well. I never meant to imply he doesn't inject his own opinions into his videos.
 

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Sung-Hwan said:
tippy2k2 said:
Sung-Hwan said:
So there's no reason to get upset by this? Strange as that may sound, it has been something that has been eating away at me for a week.
I have zero problems with it. For the most part, he makes his disdain known immediately (or I suppose for something like JRPGs and/or Nintendo, something you'd learn watching him over the years).

Besides, maybe others feel differently but he's an entertainer first and a reviewer...like....fiftieth? If he recommends something, I'll perk up and look into it but I do not and would never use him as a source for recommendations.
Would you say watching Jim Sterling is a more viable option for insight than Ben? Never really watched his content.

I wouldn't let him get to you to be honest. Sometimes he doesn't like games that I like. But even if I DO like ones he doesn't like I always find his videos quite informative because he makes a good effort to draw attention to flaws with games. And I find the flaws with a game, more than its strengths, are the most helpful thing to know when purchasing. If I feel I can deal with the flaws of a game, then I'm more likely to purchase it.


Anyway as far as I'm aware Jim doesn't actually DO video reviews. He does written reviews but the closest he gets to "reviews" in videos is his Squirty Play videos. And they're not actually reviews. He's said so himself. Basically it involves jumping in and having a go. Which is fair enough, I find them interesting to watch but they're not always the most helpful for deciding whether to buy a game or not for me. The problem with them in my experience is that Jim tends to screw up actually playing half the time because he's trying to simultaneously keep up a running, amusing commentary whilst playing the game which means he misses a lot of really obvious things. So whilst they can be helpful...I wouldn't use them as your sole source.

I'd actually highly recommend TotalBiscuit. For me lately his reviews coupled with youtube gameplay footage like Lets Plays are the most valuable tool I have for deciding whether to get a game or not. And that's mainly because he doesn't score games. His reviews basically come down to a video of the game playing whilst he runs through the good, bad and the ugly of a game and gives his opinion on whether he likes it or not. The lack of a scoring system I actually find to be a huge bonus because it means you actually have to assess the game based on its positives and negatives...not on whether its got a nine out of ten or six out of ten.
 

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How it works is, people take him seriously until he disses something they happen to like. After that they go "Well, it's a comedy show".
 

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...the recent plague of gobshites demanding "objective reviews" (whihh is an oxymoron, by the way) can show.
Let's be honest. Most of the people who bug Yahtzee for a review on a certain game only want him to validate their own views on that game.
 

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I think he said on one of his Youtube videos that he exaggerates for comedic effect, but there's a grain of truth behind everything in it. The opinions expressed in ZP are all legit.
 

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I have not once, in the many years I've watched ZP taken it as a 'serious' review. It just isn't set up that way. He'll rip a game a new one for the tiniest flaw.

Yes, his real opinions are in there somewhere, but good luck finding them in all but the most extreme cases.

If you want proof, go back, look at his mario galaxy review, then find the episode a few months later where he talks about the games he 'liked' enough to keep playing...

Notice anything? Yeah...


Anyway, everything he says has to be taken with several tonnes of salt, because what you think he means, and what he actually means may not be anywhere near each-other.

Zero Punctuation goes out of it's way to bash the slightest failing.
sure, some games have very big failings, but if you take Yahtzee's comments literally, you'd soon conclude he hates absolutely everything.

And you know what? 5+ years of watching ZP has taught me that really isn't even remotely true.

It has also taught me Zero Punctuation cannot realistically be considered a 'review'

It is more along the lines of 'make fun of absolutely every stupid thing about this game I can find'

And while you can find actual opinions if you watch it, you really have to pay attention to tell the genuine opinions from the jokes that basically involve bashing a game for the sake of bashing it.
 

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I know if he reads this he will want to hit you in the face, he hates people calling him Ben on the internet.
 

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Yahtzee is definitely more critical than the average gamer but he's not quite as cynical or jaded as he appears in his videos. He tends to exaggerate how bad things are but most of his wild criticisms are rooted in how he actually feels. In his Zero Punctuation reviews he's essentially doing a caricature of himself.

If you watch his let's play/let's drown out videos he often reiterates points he's made in Zero Punctuation but in a much calmer, less antagonistic manner.

I personally think the dude is hilarious regardless of what game he's bashing.