But you can go out of your way and create a background and mythos for characters in most games if you want to. That doesn't make the game an RPG. You can do the same for "the guy" in GTA3 and GTA3 is not at all an RPG.barbzilla said:
Is Dark Souls really that good?
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But literal role-playing is not what defines an RPG, and yes, it is a misnomer for that.Phoenixmgs said:
Yeah, it pretty much is, role-playing defined an RPG all the way up until video games. Live-action and tabletop RPGs are all about the role-playing.crispskittlez said:
its a game about 'learning'... like learning to NOT jump at that dragon... learning NOT to charge that minotaur... and most importantly LOOK WHERE YOU'RE STEPPING!! as falling is the number 1 way to die in that game, just like its predecessor :3
its the kind of game, like Demon's Souls, where even if you DIE CONSTANTLY usually for extremely frustratingly STUPID REASONS, and after you've thrown your controller through a wall, leave it alone and vow to never play it again...
you do.
why? who knows! there's just something about the Souls' series that makes you want to play it in your lapses of sanity, because when you finally beat that JERK-SONVABITCH-NERFING-FLAMELURKER!! you feel utterly, truly, justified and satisfied!! like you really accomplished something hard and persevered... plus everything is just interesting to see, its all pretty, despite all the obvious DEATH around you... and i dunno, i think the fact the GAME knows it doesn't need you, you don't 'have' to beat it, you don't 'have' to play it, but it'll be there... always just there... seeping into you're brain, knowing that like the wondering souls of the Nexus and Lordran... you'll come back eventually... you always come back...
XD
its the kind of game, like Demon's Souls, where even if you DIE CONSTANTLY usually for extremely frustratingly STUPID REASONS, and after you've thrown your controller through a wall, leave it alone and vow to never play it again...
you do.
why? who knows! there's just something about the Souls' series that makes you want to play it in your lapses of sanity, because when you finally beat that JERK-SONVABITCH-NERFING-FLAMELURKER!! you feel utterly, truly, justified and satisfied!! like you really accomplished something hard and persevered... plus everything is just interesting to see, its all pretty, despite all the obvious DEATH around you... and i dunno, i think the fact the GAME knows it doesn't need you, you don't 'have' to beat it, you don't 'have' to play it, but it'll be there... always just there... seeping into you're brain, knowing that like the wondering souls of the Nexus and Lordran... you'll come back eventually... you always come back...
XD
Okay, well, I think that brings finality to our whole argument right there. You gave me some stuff to think about, and I enjoyed having this argument/discussion with you.Phoenixmgs said:
second coming of jesus most people make it out to be, NO
Overrated as **** by its fans, Hell Yes
good game? yes.
Overrated as **** by its fans, Hell Yes
good game? yes.
I personally consider Dark Souls to be the best game I have ever played. Emphasis on my personal views: the combat feels good, the art is beautiful, the story is masterfully told, the environments and level design work together.
But the difficulty is blown way out of proportion, it's not a hard game, it just requires basic caution.
On the other side.
Some parts are clearly buggy and unfinished, which might bother some people. Some things are poorly explained, but I don't think anything in the game is poorly designed except some collision detection. And while I had no problems with the camera, I've heard a lot of people complain about it.
It's not a game for everyone though, not many games are.
But the difficulty is blown way out of proportion, it's not a hard game, it just requires basic caution.
On the other side.
Some parts are clearly buggy and unfinished, which might bother some people. Some things are poorly explained, but I don't think anything in the game is poorly designed except some collision detection. And while I had no problems with the camera, I've heard a lot of people complain about it.
It's not a game for everyone though, not many games are.
The overrated argument always bothers me cause it usually implies bad things about the subject, so thank you for clarifying.sonofliber said:
its not a bad game by any means, its just not for everyone, i love the style, atmosphere and story of the game, but i really hated the camera (let me focus on this undead that is getting up instead of the giant in armor running to impale you or o you want me to lock on that guy while you are on a bridge where you can fall of? allow me to get behind your character instead), the cheap traps, the frigging collision detection, and overall slowness of it (yes i died when the enemy had 2% of life left, can you PLEASE let me skip all the fucking enemies? i really wanna finish that boss before going to sleep). Every time i started to enjoy the game those little things came back to nag meLovely Mixture said:
played most of dark souls and grow tired of it, finishing watching on youtube, same with demon souls, left both games at around 85% of the story