Is Fighting Dead

[Dream_Sequencer]

I decided to play Mortal Kombat online and had a very long bout of disappointing battles. Maybe my vision of fighting has been clouded from the years of mixed martial arts that I had taken for years or maybe there is a problem, but people won't admit it. Is actually fighting in a fighting game dead? In Mortal Kombat 9 online, I just found a bunch of people spamming projectiles or choosing a character that could teleport. Or even worse was Noob Saibot folks who started the battle throwing ink people at me over and over again. I thought in a fighting game that you were suppose to fight with skill. Throwing ones combos at each other. Trying to counter each other's combos. This has also happened online in Tekken 6 and other forms of fighting games, where people so afraid of loosing just spam one technique. I'm of the mind set there is honor in beating the weak. Your opponent cannot move because you keep stunning them, your opponent cannot do anything stuck in the wall. Its basically attacking them when their back is turned. When I play this game with my friends, I play to fight against their combos. I want to fight with skill and I work my butt off learning these combos, which seems a bit of a waste when I can't use them because my opponents feel I am only worth attacking me when I cannot do anything.
Have we an online society that discourages loosing? Have we created an online society that encourages only winning? That loosing is a bad thing. You can learn a lot from your wins, but you can learn even more from your mistakes as well.
Isn't the fun of a fighting game, to use your combos, tactical skill?
Is the fear of loosing what creates these people who will do anything to make sure their opponent doesn't move?
I honestely, have been turned off by online game play now. Because no one wants to fight with honor. You have to respect your opponent. Even if its just a game, the opponents you face are people. And you have to treat those people with respect.

 

[Neosage]

This is Mortal Kombat, it's not Dead Or Alive or Street Fighter. Mortal Kombat has never had combat like which you describe.

 

[Argonian alchemist]

Fighters have always been like that, even back in the arcades.

I don't understand how this is all of a sudden an epiphany to you. The only fighter I've ever played that was balanced was fight night round 3.

 

[Dream_Sequencer]

This is Mortal Kombat, it's not Dead Or Alive or Street Fighter. Mortal Kombat has never had combat like which you describe.

I disagre, completely.

 

[NeutralDrow]

I'm having trouble decoding the wall of text. Are you complaining about people taking advantage of hitstun and performing combos?

 

[MaxwellEdison]

Fight with honor? What are you talking about? This is Mortal Kombat.
People have always used cheap moves to win.

 

[Olikunmissile]

If they spam the same move learn to counter it.

Not every game is as mainstream of Call of Duty. Games like MK require SKILL you have to actually get good at the game. Then take into account some people have no lives at all so they spend all day every day getting that good.

You need to do the work to become a decent player.

 

[Dream_Sequencer]

Fighters have always been like that, even back in the arcades.

Once again, I disagree completely.

My example was said above, when I am at home sitting next to my friend we never spam projectiles at one another. We never spam the same kick, jump around the whole entire time, or teleport all the time.

We fight each other's combos. He tries to use sub zero's sword on me and I hit him instead with a Baraka breaker sword combo, as an example of what I am talking about.

Why is online so different?

Why is it suddenly okay, is it because you cannot see your opponent?

@starfox: I like combos, I hate having to cheap myself out because other people play cheap.

If you jump around online, I'll kick you.

If you throwing projectiles, I'll dash forward into you and punch you.

I have counters for the cheapening of a fighting games, however, I do not appreciate it. I do not like having to just do one thing to make sure no one does something.

I want to have fun. I want to have a good time the way I have a good time with my buddies who I sit down with at home.

I do not want to have to lessen my game experience because you're afraid of loosing. My friends and I don't care about winning and loosing its about having fun.

It isn't about holding up a trophey and screaming, I win. To me its about the anticipation and anxiety in a good fight. As you both grind combos and try to beat one another and counter one another's combos.

It isn't also about throwing your opponent into a wall and making sure they do not get up. That isn't a good fight. There is no honor in beating the weak, and there is no fun in that. Its just disappointing and upsetting.

 

[Neosage]

This is Mortal Kombat, it's not Dead Or Alive or Street Fighter. Mortal Kombat has never had combat like which you describe.

I disagre, completely.

Oh wow really? You disagree completely do you? Maybe you could be as gracious as to enlighten a lowly man such as myself with your infinite knowledge and wisdom and tell me why?

Mortal Kombat focuses on dealing heavy damage quickly and being accessible to new players, it's not a particularly deep fighting game and it relies more on the spectacle of the violence and gore than having complex fighting mechanics. I enjoy the Mortal Kombat series, but people shouldn't buy it if they want a serious challenging fighting game.

 

[Switchblade1080]

You ARE playing online...and online IS the internet...what did you expect?? Its like expecting the internet to bring you a cup of good conversations whenever you felt like it.

Its not Mortal Kombat 9, its you trying to have fun...sure, there's the unsatisfactory victory that any "fair player" would loath at, but hey...there's a reason they call this a "Fighting" game...

And there are other people responding to your message without your sole reply, was this thread made so that you could just swear at anyone you think who's wrong?? Or are you looking for someone like yourself to play with??...

 

[Vault101]

EVERYTHING is and isnt dead at the same time..

at leasts that what the internet says

 

[Dream_Sequencer]

Oh wow really? You disagree completely do you? Maybe you could be as gracious as to enlighten a lowly man such as myself with your infinite knowledge and wisdom and tell me why?

Mortal Kombat does have combos. They are a little difficult, I do agree on the Xbox 360. Because the D Pad isn't as spready out as the PS3 console is. However, Mortal Kombat does have combos, I would know because I use them.

And thank you for realizing my typo, I'm so glad you weren't be sarcastic or petty over a typo and a mistake with spelling.

@Switchblade: I'd like people to hold themselves at a higher standard then what they do. Just because its the internet doesn't give the people the right to behave disrespectfully.

 

[Switchblade1080]

@Kheapathic - True, rare breed...its sad that in a plague full of 7-year-old brained kids, Gentlemen are prone to being "shot"...

@Dream_Sequencer - They don't have the right...but they'll do it anyway!!

 

[Neosage]

Oh wow really? You disagree completely do you? Maybe you could be as gracious as to enlighten a lowly man such as myself with your infinite knowledge and wisdom and tell me why?

Mortal Kombat does have combos. They are a little difficult, I do agree on the Xbox 360. Because the D Pad isn't as spready out as the PS3 console is. However, Mortal Kombat does have combos, I would know because I use them.

And thank you for realizing my typo, I'm so glad you weren't be sarcastic or petty over a typo and a mistake with spelling.

Honestly can't tell whether you are being sarcastic or not.

Yes Mortal Kombat does have combo moves, but they never offered a huge advantage over just going in for regular attacks, (the only ones that did were the short 3 move combos, and that doesn't really prove your point). I remember in Deception there was a huge combo for Scorpion and it was literally unusable because it could be so easily interrupted and it took so long.

 

[Dream_Sequencer]

I think he's one of those Gentlemen/House rules players. As I said in my previous post, he'd be laughed out of an arcade.

As said, I may be slightly bias to my years of mixed martial arts that I took.

However, at the same time whether internet or not, that is no excuse to be rude or disrespectful. Anonymity of the internet doesn't excuse you from etiquette.

 

[Neosage]

I think he's one of those Gentlemen/House rules players. As I said in my previous post, he'd be laughed out of an arcade.

As said, I may be slightly bias to my years of mixed martial arts that I took.

However, at the same time whether internet or not, that is no excuse to be rude or disrespectful. Anonymity of the internet doesn't excuse you from etiquette.

Playing to win on a video game (Not real-life martial arts, classing the two as similar always brings trouble; except in the film Limitless) is not being rude or disrespectful, if you know how to fight then you will know that sometimes in order to gain the advantage you may have to execute some less then graceful moves.

Ironically I learnt this from a Kung-Fu black-belt.

 

[Dream_Sequencer]

You won't get far with that attitude, win or lose you'll be mocked. If their tactics are easily countered then take your win and walk away. Name calling or anything else won't do anything positive, especially if you critique their style and tell them it's disrespectful or they need to be held to a higher standard. Now here's a question for you; WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO TELL ME HOW TO PLAY?!

If you win and tell them that, you're an elitist who has his head up his ass. If you lose, LOLOLOLOL you lost, ditch your honor and learn to play... and I agree with both.

But I am not playing to win or lose. I judged my fights based on the fun I had with the other person. If the other person is only playing to win. There is no fun in that. There is no fun in playing with someone who is only focused on winning.

I want to have fun. Win or lose, its about the fun you had.

 

[Switchblade1080]

@Kheapathic - True, still...it would make for an entertaining player..

@Dream_Sequencer - Since you took your share of REAL LIFE Mixed Martial Arts, its a gift that will help you in your daily struggle...believe me there are better things to worry about than that of mere ingame dignity and honor...

This is what Yahtzee told everyone once, and since THIS is your mindset...you're not having fun at all, you're desperately trying to press the up and down buttons to hope for a fair fight, this is NOT the true purpose of games. Besides, the internet reeks of lulz...

 

[Neosage]

You won't get far with that attitude, win or lose you'll be mocked. If their tactics are easily countered then take your win and walk away. Name calling or anything else won't do anything positive, especially if you critique their style and tell them it's disrespectful or they need to be held to a higher standard. Now here's a question for you; WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO TELL ME HOW TO PLAY?!

If you win and tell them that, you're an elitist who has his head up his ass. If you lose, LOLOLOLOL you lost, ditch your honor and learn to play... and I agree with both.

But I am not playing to win or lose. I judged my fights based on the fun I had with the other person. If the other person is only playing to win. There is no fun in that. There is no fun in playing with someone who is only focused on winning.

I want to have fun. Win or lose, its about the fun you had.

Ah, then I'm afraid I would recommend a different genre, as fighting games can be pretty cheap. Although as someone said before Fight Night Round 3 is an amazing game which (I think) achieves what you are lamenting.

 

[Dream_Sequencer]

So if someone walks up to you and forces their thumbs into your eyes, are you going to lecture them about touching gloves or bowing before starting anything?

Edit: Gentlemen rules are for friends, the dojo and tv, survival is top priority in the real world.

But I'm not talking about that. This thread wasn't about that.

This thread was about how when the bell rings to fight, let's take for example Reptile. For a second.

The game says fight, they throw an acid ball immediatedly at me.

Now I can dodge this acid ball, maybe I jump to dodge it, but they throw a new one while I land, I can duck but they throw another one lower or maybe the one they threw catches me.

I can block it with my block. But now I'm stuck with to much distance and they can throw acid at me and chunk my health even while blocking.

Trying to get in close they hit with an acid ball and now I am on the grand as the character gets up, they throw another and another and another and another. The character can't really finish his animation of getting or even get up because the very moment they stir up acid is being thrown.

There is a difference between fighting and throwing fireballs.

Mind you this is an example, before I learned a counter.

@Neosage: But that's what I love about combos. Those slow 3 hit or 4 hit combo. As you hit the persons health down low. You're both kicking and punching, but there is that tension. That anxiety and anticipation on who is going to win. As you try to time and work out your combos. And your actually incorrect about only having 3 to 4 hit combos.

Baraka has a 10 hit combo.

And I can't remember ....it was Noob I think with 7 hits.