Is Final Fantasy Worth It?

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If you like JRPGs then yeah, totally worth it. Chrono Trigger is a must play so I'll say that first.

4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and Tactics are certainly good bang for the buck and great games. 8 and 12 are a bit divided on opinion, and it seems most liked 8 and wern't too keen on 12 and vice versa. 13 can fuck off and die.

1 is good for the nostalgia factor, but obviously it is a bit dated. THe problem with 6 on the PSX is it runs at half speed and all the music is out of key (Something to do with the PSX soundcard, all the notes are flat), so you wont get Dancing Mad or the Opera scene in its true glory.

2, 3 and 5 are experimental, but fun none the less.
 

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Kakarot89 said:
Hey everyone I have a question for all of you.

There's a retro gaming store down the street from where I live and I go there almost all the time. They have a great selection of PSX games and have Final Fantasy I-VI in anthology collections (the first two in a set together, IV with Chrono Trigger, and V and VI together). I have never really played FF before (played the first a bit on an emulator) but have played Chrono Trigger on SNES (a lot of people have compared the two) and immensely enjoyed that. From the bit of the first FF I've played, it was a lot of fun.
Definitely. The first 6 games are fantastic exercises in story telling and RPG gameplay. The fact that you'd also get Chrono Trigger bundled up in there just sweetens the deal as it is another fantastic RPG, but it sounds like you already know that. :p

However, my understanding is the series has begun to go downhill. I did some research but no one can really agree on when this began. I've heard since XI it's been going downhill but have also read that VIII is when the series began to suck.
Annnnnnd that about sums up the second half of the answer I had intended to write when I clicked this topic. 7 was good, but not the Holy Grail of FF's that everyone makes it out to be. 8 was "meh", almost every character in the game is a raging emo up to the point where a very humorous scene takes place in which the main character is reflecting in his thoughts about how everyone uses the past tense when speaking with people who have died...people that they knew up until just a couple days ago and suddenly they're gone. He works himself up into a frenzy until he suddenly bursts out and yells - shattering the silence in the room - "NO ONE'S GOING TO REFER TO ME IN THE PAST TENSE!" before running out the door, leaving all his friends to just stand there like "Ummmm....wtf?" And personally I REALLY didn't like 9. Apparently I'm in the minority on this one, but it just absolutely failed to hold my attention to the point where I abandoned the game after the first disc. 10 was alright (though the English voice acting will make your ears bleed and the story is pretty hard to follow), and 10 part 2 is what officially killed the series for me.

I guess what I'm wondering is a few things: 1. Is Final Fantasy a series worth getting into? 2. When would you say the series began to go downhill? 3. If you didn't notice, none of the PSX titles had III. So what would be the best way to experience these games?
I'd say stick with the older games, the first game through the 6th are a lot of fun, FF IV and VI being two of my all-time favorite games, period. I'd also suggest picking up Final Fantasy Tactics for the PSX. Some people don't like it because it's VERY different from the normal format, but I think the story is too god damn awesome to pass up. Really it's that game's story that made me want to become a novelist. Thank god for PS2's backwards compatibility! :3

Beyond the old-school games, I'd say 7 is definitely worth picking up, but for me that's where the downhill slide started, as I said with 8 being just "meh" (it's a REALLY easy game due to the magic system it uses, you can essentially build your characters into literal god-mode characters) and I just really didn't like 9 at all. Got 10 for Christmas the year it came out so I played it and beat it and was severely disappointed with the main boss/ending, but overall I really can't say it was a bad game since I was pretty hooked on it back then. I rented 10-2 and took it back 3 hours later, swearing off the series for good at that point. And from my understanding, I really haven't been missing much since then.
 

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For me Final Fantasy started going downhill once the characters stopped looking like well armored marshmallows.
 

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Kakarot89 said:
If you like 16-bit era RPGs then yes, yes you should. At least the older ones. The newer ones can be hit or miss really. I don't hate any of them really, but some of the design decisions are kinda weird.
 

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Well...I won't go into details about which games I like since a lot of what I would say would mirror what a lot of these guys have said. My faves in the series were I, IV, VI, VII, IX, and XII. Never got into XI and probably won't get into XIV since I already play a free MMO. VIII was my least favorite. XIII was way too linear. X and X-2 are nicely playable, but Tidus...ugh. XIII-2 was an improvement over XIII, despite the aspect of ANOTHER RPG series. *COUGH*Pokémon*COUGH* The way characters develop in II was a bit tedious. The rest of the games were good.

I should warn of one thing before you get into the series: RED MAGE SYNDROME

Red Mage Syndrome is a term I use to describe the tendancy to want to level up or acquire specific abilities you get at certain points in the game before you move on. Examples include...

I: Getting enough cash to buy spells for your spellcasters.
VI: Getting all spells from available Espers for all your characters.
VIII: Drawing 100 of all available spells from creatures.
IX: Getting all available abilities from equips.
X-2: Leveling up your Dressspheres.
XII: Getting the licenses for all available equips.
XIII-2: Getting all available monsters as partners.

The term "Red Mage Syndrome" is, apporpriately enough, named for the Red Mage from "8-Bit Theater" who, if you remember, tried to level his skills out so he could use all his available abilities equally.
 

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Kakarot89 said:
2. When would you say the series began to go downhill?
Here, i'll offer an opinion from someone who didn't grow up playing Final Fantasy games.

My first FF game was actually Revenant Wings on the DS. I didn't quite understand the story at first (as I believe it's supposed to be a sequel to XII), but it was a lot of fun and had some great characters.

Then I played XIII. And I really enjoyed it. It's got an interesting, complex battle system, engaging characters and fun fights. Sure, it's got it's flaws. The story is pretty badly told and the upgrade system makes no sense, but i'd still recommend it.

And then I tried VII because the internet seems to love it. And I really don't get it. There is a ridiculous amount of things you can interact with that look exactly the same as the rest of the background or things you have to do in a certain order at a certain place to unlock stuff. Don't get me wrong; it's not bad. I like the characters and the story and it has some pretty good ideas. I just personally feel that it isn't really player friendly enough. It's no fun for me to play a game and feel like I have to use a guide or i'll miss out on stuff without it being my fault.

Oh, played XIII 2 since. It's everything XIII was, but better. Great fun.
 

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1. Final Fantasy is absolutely worth getting into. It's one of my all-time favourite video game franchises. As long as you don't abhor turn-based combat, there's a game for everyone somewhere in it, so I'm sure you'll find one to love. VI, VII and X (though I haven't been able to play the latter in a long time) are my top personal favourites, bearing in mind I've yet to play a few of the early ones that are also very well-received (III and IV, primarily, and I haven't played much of V either so I can't really judge it beyond it's quite fun and seems intriguing).

2. I don't think the series has "gone downhill;" there are good games and there are bad, some newer and some older, but that all depends on your personal preference. I will say Square Enix has seemed to have a hard time of "modernizing" the turn-based combat that is the series staple for this generation in particular. XIII was an utter disappointment for me and upcoming titles Lighting Returns and Final Fantasy XV suggest that Square Enix thinks the solution is to make the series more action-oriented. In the case of XV, it abandons the traditional turn-based/ATB system entirely. That might be reason enough for some people to cry that the series is degrading, but I think it's better for Final Fantasy to evolve into something new than wallow in stagnation for the sake of consistency. I will miss the turn-based combat if XV sets a new standard, but it's a worthy sacrifice in order to allow Squeenix to be at their best for this era.

3. If possible, buy the SNES or Gameboy Advance version of Final Fantasy VI. While it depends on your tastes what game you're more likely to enjoy, I think VI is a good starting point, but the PS1 ports suffer from long transitions into and out of battles, as well as a pause of several seconds whenever you want to bring up the menu, which you'll find yourself doing quite often. It's definitely an annoyance, but I played VI all the way through for the first time in the V/VI PS1 collection and adored it, so it's not a huge deal; just something to be aware of.

But other than deciding which game to start on, I'd say just take it as it goes if you want to get into the series further. Good luck and I hope you enjoy yourself; you're in for some grand adventures.
 

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Kakarot89 said:
Hey everyone I have a question for all of you.

There's a retro gaming store down the street from where I live and I go there almost all the time. They have a great selection of PSX games and have Final Fantasy I-VI in anthology collections (the first two in a set together, IV with Chrono Trigger, and V and VI together). I have never really played FF before (played the first a bit on an emulator) but have played Chrono Trigger on SNES (a lot of people have compared the two) and immensely enjoyed that. From the bit of the first FF I've played, it was a lot of fun.

However, my understanding is the series has begun to go downhill. I did some research but no one can really agree on when this began. I've heard since XI it's been going downhill but have also read that VIII is when the series began to suck.

I guess what I'm wondering is a few things: 1. Is Final Fantasy a series worth getting into? 2. When would you say the series began to go downhill? 3. If you didn't notice, none of the PSX titles had III. So what would be the best way to experience these games?

With that last one please try to keep in mind, the only systems I have are a SNES, N64, Gamecube, PS2, Gameboy Advance, and a Nintendo DS.

Thanks.
Okay, first off you have to understand that the series began to change after Final Fantasy Six. I would argue that FF 4 and six are good buys, and Chrono Trigger is fantastic. The first six were either pure fantasy, or steampunk. Final Fantasy 7 had more of a sci-fi vibe to it, with fantasy influences. I believe this is the last game the original creator worked on. After FF7, the series became more science fiction, and the gameplay became more convoluted. As a result the series became increasingly hit-or-miss. Some fans like the newer FF, while some liked the others. Personally I think FF 7 was the best, because it had original creators working together with the young men who would later take their place. As a result, it had all the substance of the old FF games, as well as some the flare the newer ones would become known for. FF 8 was okay, but this is the first instance of the main character being heavily "emo." It's clear the writers didn't know how to write characters as complex as in 7, and it felt like they were essentially trying to recapturethe success of FF 7 by making a similar, but lesser, game. FF 7 was lightning in a bottle (no pun intended). If you like sci-fi, then7 is amazing. I hear 9 is good. I would avoid the series altogether after 10, which was decent but not amazing.
 

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Kakarot89 said:
Hey everyone I have a question for all of you.

There's a retro gaming store down the street from where I live and I go there almost all the time. They have a great selection of PSX games and have Final Fantasy I-VI in anthology collections (the first two in a set together, IV with Chrono Trigger, and V and VI together). I have never really played FF before (played the first a bit on an emulator) but have played Chrono Trigger on SNES (a lot of people have compared the two) and immensely enjoyed that. From the bit of the first FF I've played, it was a lot of fun.

However, my understanding is the series has begun to go downhill. I did some research but no one can really agree on when this began. I've heard since XI it's been going downhill but have also read that VIII is when the series began to suck.

I guess what I'm wondering is a few things: 1. Is Final Fantasy a series worth getting into? 2. When would you say the series began to go downhill? 3. If you didn't notice, none of the PSX titles had III. So what would be the best way to experience these games?

With that last one please try to keep in mind, the only systems I have are a SNES, N64, Gamecube, PS2, Gameboy Advance, and a Nintendo DS.

Thanks.
I've only played the nintendo ones, but 4 & 6 are pretty awesome. 5 has the most robust gameplay, but the worst story of the SNES ones. 1-3 are pretty bleh by today's standards.
 

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Eh, the franchise it okay. It was important to the development of the genre in early days, along with Dragon Quest, Ys, Phantasy Star, Megami Tensei and a few others. That is, during the 8-bit era. And Final Fantasy was still important in the 16-bit era, though several other important franchise came into their own at that time, as well. Such as Breath of Fire, Tales(of), Star Ocean, and so forth.

I'd say it is worth picking up as a franchise. But by no means more important than other franchises. Phantasy Star, Shin Megami Tensei, Tales, Breath of Fire, Earthbound, Fire Emblem, Dragon Quest, and so forth, are all also great classic franchises to play and should be just as important to you to try as Final Fantasy.

It's a good idea to try Final Fantasy. But don't make the mistake like many in the West have made of putting it above other franchises in terms of importance.
 

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If you can get them for a decent price, or a price you are willing to pay, then buy them. Each one is different enough to play through, and going through the series you can see ties and connections to how the series has changed over time - as every game changes things up a bit. There is no better or worse entries in Final Fantasy games, each game is different in it's own way, and that's all there is. Some people don't like certain things and blame the series for changing, but that's what the series does is change.

FF the First - Choose a group of four out of six class choices. Each class has perks, and can equip only certain items. Magic users can only equip three magic spells per magic spell level, and can only cast each level of magic a certain number of times per day based on character level. It's an interesting magic system, one that I believe may only appear again in 3 (?) and then disappear from the series after, not to be seen again.

FF 2, the real one, but remade a bit for origins disc - No standard classes for your main characters, however there are guest characters, who while start as strict classes may be changed over time - there are no character levels, and instead your characters' stats change over time, if you use more magic with a character that character's magic will increase, (magic uses a MP point system) if your character takes a lot of damage but keeps standing then their health will increase. It's a very grindy system, but it is very unique for the series, and I like it. Magic spells level with use. Any character can use any weapon, but characters start with low weapon skill and characters get better with each weapon type as they use them. Also uses a nice keyword conversation thing, where as you progress you'll learn key words that you can then choose to talk about with NPCs, which will lead to different conversations and information - which I don't think ever appears again.

FF 4 - Set character classes, a stronger story, set characters and character development. Characters will level up, and as they do they will learn set skills and magic. Only certain characters can use certain weapons. The story moves on as do some characters. Magic uses MP. Each character has their own class and can perform certain skills or magic because of it. It's one of my favorite. Unique party of 5.

FF 5 - The character job system returns from 3, only over hauled and updated. You have four characters and you have job classes you can unlock over progression. Any of your four characters can freely switch (outside of combat) from any one job class to another that's unlocked. Each job class has it's strengths and weaknesses, each one can only use certain weapons and armor. Also, as a character uses a Job them unlock the ability to use skills from the job while using another job class. For instance a level 3 White Mage can switch over to a Thief and then choose to continue to use level 3 white magic. Very strong job class system. Also, like most FF games, magic uses MP. Job class changes do not appear in too many FF games - 3, 5, Tactics, and 10-2.

FF 6 - A large cast of characters, each starts as a certain class, but once espers enter game play you can adapt any character as you see fit (over time). Magic uses MP, characters start with certain skills or magic. With espers characters can learn more skills and magic, each esper has it's own skills and magic that they can teach. Any character can use an Esper. This relationship appears again in 8.

As for Final Fantasy 3, I believe the only ways to play it are on Nintendo DS, Sony PSP, and a Tablet - for the remake (which while I haven't played as of yet, it seems like the way it should really be approached.) however for it's original release version problem only a fan translated thing that people frown at about mentioning on this site.

As for the series on the Playstation and after. Each one is it's own thing. They are all JRPGs to different extents, use different systems, but as the series goes on connections can be made to systems used and other little connections. 7, 8, 9, 10 don't let anyone tell you how you should feel about them. If you're interested, try them. 10-2 is it's own case however, where it comes with a warning, the story is grating, the characters them selves are grating, however the combat, and the job system, are very well done and worth playing, as long as you can ignore and even like the story and characters.
 

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Yes it is worth it.
I wouldn't go lower than FF4 for story, only out of interest. I rather enjoy playing FF1 on trips.
FF4 is decent, but I don't enjoy it for some reason.
FF5 has an interesting job system.
FF6 has some memorable moments, but it didn't really stick with me. Kefka is the best villain for sure.
FF7 is better than naysayers would have you believe. Cloud isn't emo etc.
FF8 dear god the draw system. Squall is just awful.
FF9 best main character, good core characters. Combat is meh. Replicates FF1-6.
FF10 best combat system, decent story. Tidus and Rikku are too high pitched, some bad writing indeed.
FF12 interesting combat system, awesome world to explore. Story is shit. Monster hunting is really fun.

I wouldn't say it has gone downhill. Opinions and nostalgia basically.
 

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VI maybe. VII definitely. IV and V have pretty vestigial stories, and I don't think the game system on its own is interesting enough to warrant spending 20+ hours on them. VIII onward are too mawkish and overwritten. I got halfway through XII and gave up.

VI is interesting and almost certainly overambitious; the writers lacked the technical expertise to effectively tell the story they wanted, and the SNES's limitations meant that no-one else on the team was able to pick up enough of the slack. It's a very interesting failure, but is that worth dozens of hours of your time? Unfortunately the gameplay is so unbalanced that you have to actively try to not find exploits. Still, if you're more generous at overlooking writing faults than I am there's a lot of enjoyment to be had.

VII has a simpler story than VI, but that's a good thing. With fewer characters to juggle and clearer themes, the story doesn't run away from them. Sure there are some slow parts, but at least it always retains a clear shape. The beginning and the end are recognizably connected, which is essential for very long form story-telling. There's also a well-rounded cast of supporting antagonists. After VII, the stories all start well and the spiral off into the ether. This is a particular problem for IX, which is a shame, because the first half of that is very good.

VII also has well-executed plot developments, in the sense that they explain mysteries from earlier in the story. It's the only Final Fantasy game where I felt the writers knew how it was going to develop and end from the very start. There are still plot holes, for sure, but the story twists rather than convulses. You can always sense a sure hand at the helm. And while the characters still rabbit on more than is necessary, it's nothing compared with the excesses of later games, where you'll regularly find dozens of lines of entirely content-free dialogue.
 

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Kakarot89 said:
With that last one please try to keep in mind, the only systems I have are a SNES, N64, Gamecube, PS2, Gameboy Advance, and a Nintendo DS.

Thanks.
Try Final Fantasy 3 for the DS. I loved it. I didn't grow up with Square so I never played the titles before FFX (which you could try) so this was a good way to experience one of the older ones. FF12 is great (but if you don't like the MMO style of auto battle you might not like it) for the PS2 and it has a tactics-style sequel called Revenant Wings on the DS. These are so only ones I've played so I can't personally recommend anything else for the systems you have.
 

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Glongpre said:
I wouldn't say it has gone downhill. Opinions and nostalgia basically.


Whilst "downhill" is subjective, you can argue that it has gone in a certain direction though.
Post FFIX-X, the series became A LOT more focused on style. Not applying to just even the main games, but many of the side materials and spin-offs.

1-5 - The beginning years
6-10 - The golden years
12-13 + Spin-offs and FFVII Compilation - The "modern" years

11 and 14 are MMOs, so I don't know really how you'd classify them in the main series.
 

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Final Fantasy is like the Twilight Zone. One in the series has usually nothing to do with any of the others, they all exist on their own universes usually with no connection to the others. And some are better then some of the others. But sometimes you will see a Twilight Zone episode that just stays with you and you think about it from time to time. The good Final Fantasy games are the same way. You will always look back fondly on aspects of what you played and it will stay with you.

My recommendations would be for FF4,6,7,8 and Tactics. You already played chrono trigger so i dont need to gush about how awesome it is. Also recommend star ocean, xenogears/saga, parasite eve, front mission, secret of mana/evermore, breath of fire, vagrant story, and valkyrie profile. All great series imo.
 

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Kakarot89 said:
Hey everyone I have a question for all of you.

There's a retro gaming store down the street from where I live and I go there almost all the time. They have a great selection of PSX games and have Final Fantasy I-VI in anthology collections (the first two in a set together, IV with Chrono Trigger, and V and VI together). I have never really played FF before (played the first a bit on an emulator) but have played Chrono Trigger on SNES (a lot of people have compared the two) and immensely enjoyed that. From the bit of the first FF I've played, it was a lot of fun.

However, my understanding is the series has begun to go downhill. I did some research but no one can really agree on when this began. I've heard since XI it's been going downhill but have also read that VIII is when the series began to suck.

I guess what I'm wondering is a few things: 1. Is Final Fantasy a series worth getting into? 2. When would you say the series began to go downhill? 3. If you didn't notice, none of the PSX titles had III. So what would be the best way to experience these games?

With that last one please try to keep in mind, the only systems I have are a SNES, N64, Gamecube, PS2, Gameboy Advance, and a Nintendo DS.

Thanks.
Everything up to and including 12 is well worth your time playing.

13 not so much.

Best way to experience III coincidentally is either the PSP or DS version, so hunt down the DS version, assuming you mean actual 3, and not american 3.
 

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Kakarot89 said:
I guess what I'm wondering is a few things: 1. Is Final Fantasy a series worth getting into? 2. When would you say the series began to go downhill?
Yes, I think it's definitely worth getting in to, if you enjoy JRPGs.

I disagree that the series has gone downhill. It has certainly changed a lot, which is to be expected. Thing is, gamers do not take kindly to change, especially when it comes to long running series.

The only games I would definitely suggest avoiding are 12 and 10-2. 12 had a combat system that kept breaking for me, very poorly developed characters, and a story that was barely there. 10-2 had an amazing concept of, "So you saved the world from being destroyed...but what happens now." Unfortunately they didn't follow through with it terribly well and it was basically Final Fantasy: Fan Service Edition.

I didn't play much of the earlier Final Fantasy games, but they were generally a lot less heavy on story. I think the first one was literally just save the princess.

8 and 9 weren't bad, they just didn't do a ton to distinguish themselves from the other games, and were just kind of overlooked.

10 was probably my favorite in the series and 7...well I really don't think I even need to talk about 7.

And now we come to 13. Most people hated this game but I am not one of those people. I personally feel it is worth playing, but it doesn't feel much like a Final Fantasy game and is certainly a lot more linear. Linearity isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's something to keep in mind. The combat system is based around auto-attack and changing your characters classes, mid battle. because of that the tactics of fights change from knowing which attack to use, to knowing which class to change to, and when. 13-2 improved the combat system a bit and 13-3 seems to have taken the auto-attack out completely, and have changed to a combat system that appears to be almost similar to that of the Tales series. When going in to 13, I find it's best to just not even associate it with Final Fantasy, and just think of it as a completely separate JRPG