Is Hunting right?
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The hunting of defenceless animals "just for the sport" is wrong.Like those stupid "hunters" from canada that beat the innocent white seals with a freaking stick.. those losers.I've seen the clips... those guys should have their dicks cut off,man seriously!
Uh, no, actually. As I said, I don't have any animal heads mounted on my walls. Nor do I have antlers hanging everywhere. I don't hunt anything besides deer myself. (though I have been on an elk hunt once, didn't get anything), nor do I have pelts. I have a box in my closet with a couple pairs of antlers that I use for "rattling" (a skill that immitates two bucks fighting together during the rutting season, I don't use synthetic ones). I sell the pelts to a tanner who uses them in making leather goods which he then sells. I know, cold blooded killer, huh?Kollega said:
Yes, I killed Bambi's mother! I snuck up behind him and took a combat knife to his throat and told his mother that she'd better come with me or he gets it. Seriously, stop following your idealized nonsense and listen to actual fact. The bastardized idea of hunters played out in that Disney film is NOT the norm. Yes, there are some idiot hunters out there who give most a bad name. They are why there are regulations put in place.
I honestly find it interesting that you completely ignore my points about caged farming and the inhumanity of it, yet try as you might to apply a stereotypical ideal that you have of the "average hunter" to me. Why aren't you calling out the demonic farmers for slitting the throats of the innocent cattle, lambs or fowl? Is it because you feel it's a necessary evil? It's not, humans do not NEED to eat meat. Plenty of vegetarians/vegans lead perfectly healthy lives with out it. So I'm sorry, but the "only hunting when you need food" argument holds absolutely no water with me.
I agree with you that hunting just for the horns/antlers/trophies is wrong as well as capturing animals to train their fighting dogs, but don't you dare put that stereotypical crap in my court and call me out for something that a few idiots do, especially when we are in fact in agreement over the true issue at hand. There's a reason why dog fighting rings are outlawed. There's a reason why poaching is outlawed. These individuals generally don't care about the law.
As long as they're hunting for food, it's right. As right as the last 2000+ documented years of humanity, anyway. Unless you think humanity is so much above that now, in which case you'd be both pretentious and wrong (see: health benefits of eating what you hunt, versus buying from big agricultural industrial works).
Hunting for sport isn't okay in my book. It's wasteful. Killing is an act born of necessity, not amusement. If you derive enjoyment from hunting, that's fine, but eat/use what you kill.
Hunting for sport isn't okay in my book. It's wasteful. Killing is an act born of necessity, not amusement. If you derive enjoyment from hunting, that's fine, but eat/use what you kill.
House hunting? Not for smug people with overly large cars, and especialy so for those willing to go on tedious TV shows boasting about their commodious budgets.
It's good to balance the population. If no one ever killed an animal, we would be overrun after a while and it would cause more damage to both the human and animal population than if we never killed any animal.
I don't mind hunting, as long as proper procedure is adhered to, and suffering kept to a minimum. It is, as many has claimed previously, necessary to keep certain animal numbers in check, since its natural predators have been culled.
Also, I love venison. Yum yum!
Also, I love venison. Yum yum!
Being a hunter myself (which is evident from my previous posts) I probably have more appreciation and have a better understanding of the sheer nobility of the animals then Kollega does.traceur_ said:
Deer, elk and moose especially are by no means "cute and furry animals". They could very easily kill you if given the chance. They're incredibly majestic and awesome creatures and you learn a healthy respect for, especially when you have actually hunted them. You don't just have an animal chained up and standing in front of you the moment you step out of your vehicle for you to shoot (with a gun OR a bow). It's a systematical and very thought out affair to hunt a creature whose senses and speed completely dwarf your own, especially when it's in its native habitat.
Hunting a non-endangered speices for food, pelts etc or for pest control is fine as long as there's no purile sadism involved.
Hunting solely for the sport of it is pointless, wasteful and childish.
Hunting using a fully automatic weapon or high-tech sniper-rifle (I've heard some do this, but never seen proof) is silly and no reall challenge (and therefore not a "sport").
Hunting with hounds (fox-hunting style) is both sadistic and rather lazy (the dogs are doing the real work, the hunters are just riding around to watch).
For the record, I am not a vegetarian, but I do try to keep to free-range meats.
Hunting solely for the sport of it is pointless, wasteful and childish.
Hunting using a fully automatic weapon or high-tech sniper-rifle (I've heard some do this, but never seen proof) is silly and no reall challenge (and therefore not a "sport").
Hunting with hounds (fox-hunting style) is both sadistic and rather lazy (the dogs are doing the real work, the hunters are just riding around to watch).
For the record, I am not a vegetarian, but I do try to keep to free-range meats.
To those of you who think hunting for sport is wrong; how wouly you like a grizzly to walk into your living room, and take a big smelly DUMP on your mom!
Anyways, thats my mildly ignorant way of stating that hunting for sport keeps the population of animals in check, so that they don't all starve to death simultaneously. So yeah, hunting's okay, as long as hunters only hunt game animals during their season. I myself wouldn't hunt, but I know it has to be done.
Anyways, thats my mildly ignorant way of stating that hunting for sport keeps the population of animals in check, so that they don't all starve to death simultaneously. So yeah, hunting's okay, as long as hunters only hunt game animals during their season. I myself wouldn't hunt, but I know it has to be done.
where the hell are you getting your facts, in north America most hunting is done for food. most hunters actually look down on such behavior due to the fact that it is wasteful and help the ecosystem in no way. you might be surprised to know that a large portion of hunters are also conservationists.Kollega said:
I would agree with this statement, except for the 'necessary for food' part.BlackJack47 said:
I would go hunting for food, even though I can goto the store and buy it.
Basically, my thoughts are this: If you're going hunting, go hunting for food. DOn't just shoot deer, moose, or bears just for the sake of shooting them. If you're going to eat the meat and use what you can, then fine. But if you're just going to get an antler rack or for the love of killing, then I don't agree with it.
Although, I also don't mind hunting for vermin who are ruining crops or the like. My friend's family has a vegetable farm, and we go raccoon hunting every two years or so (When their numbers swell) and shoot raccoons to protect the vegetables. It's their lively hood, so I see it like placing a mouse trap. Except instead of a trap, it's a bullet.