Is it possible for an elitist to fit in with the masses? How?

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I guess that the OP is either trolling or simply overly aggressive, based on the post three above.

But to those interested, you're in luck! I actually am an elitist, in several subjects. And I'm also an asshole.

And I can safely say that yes, it's easy for an elitist to fit in into an unfamiliar environment by simply talking less. And should he be called upon to speak, he has already mastered the art of bullshitting.

It's a lot harder for the plebeian to fit into the elitist crowd, because that requires training in a specialist field, for instance, a stereotypical Nascar fan might have more trouble melding into a Guggenheim cocktail party than I did drinking a beer at Watkins Glen.
 

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*sucks in air, and tries to place this in context* I.. am not actually sure where to go with the original topic, but I suggest that you neither use the word elitist nor veteran when describing yourself. Elitism requires you to form an elite, i.e. a group of like thinking people who happen to have knowledge, skill, wealth or power that props them up above the masses. And knowledge something exists is not necessarily enough to be considered above the masses, as a wiki check and a day could see me on equal footing on any topic related to your knowledge base.

Nor, mind you, would I suggest calling yourself a veteran, as to be a veteran at something you have to be able to do something with the acquired knowledge or skills. What is it you have done with what you know, Sung-Hwan? What accolades can be spun from your knowledge of "gaming and its sub mediums, several hundreds worth of anime seen, ongoing activity in visual novels, overall knowledge, and experience as a partial writer for specific groups." Do you ply this as a trade? Do you teach those whom are to poor or to tired to spend as much time and resources as you anime?

Here's the issue I have with this post, you either understand what you have is worthless and you have chosen to build a shrine to it, or you are literally, genuinely baffled by social norms in which case you deserve neither title; you are an anti-social.

Now that we've properly defined you, allow us to reevaluate your question; Is it possible for an anti-social to fit in with the masses?

The short answer is very easy: by definition no. The long answer is where we get into the bread and butter of this post. Not if you don't want to, and find those who have different lives, pleasures, hobbies and knowledge as beneath you. The trick to handling the masses is being open to dealing with conversations that don't pertain to what you find fun, then if you have an opening and are friendly about it you can suggest a conversation that allows you to talk about things you do find fun. Try not to do this at length however, as this will cause your audience to become bored.

In debating things with random people, I recommend applying detailed resources on verifiable proof on the subject to only as much as is necessary. Showing off a youtube video is polite, delivering a dissertation on why you feel you are right is a bit much. I know how much you want to show everyone what you are passionate about, but changing someone's opinion is like tending a garden. Seed the idea, and let the land do the growing for you. If you get a chance to speak with them again, ask them if they've checked out what you've shown then but do not implore the conversation.

Most importantly, try everything. You are still very young and getting out among others of your age or better will show you more of the world and expand on your interests. You will never know what you like until you try it, surrounded with those whom have experience in that activity (who I am sure feels about their own hobbies and interests the same as you do in yours).

One day, maybe you will find the right combination of interests to profit from them, maybe as a reviewer, or a writer on events in the field, but you will not manage this without the right attitude (or more hard work then I would wish on anyone...). Til then, enjoy your day, and think on this. [footnote]The wood that makes up you is still subtle and full, consider what kind of tool you wish to be and whittle yourself into that mold. Do you wish to be a mallet, and see every obstacle and interference as a nail to be hammered at until you break or it does?[/footnote]
How can I learn to write a post as great and eloquent as that? My posts come off as amateur at best, and babbling idiot at worst.

As for the OP, if we were to go with the term Elitist, you would certainly fit the attitude of what people think. IF you are in fact only 16, or at most in your mid twenties, then you are to young to even be like this. Then again, after watching a certain show about 8-12 year olds cooking, there was a certain boy who was terribly elitist for his age, so maybe it is more younger people who are like that.

As for the other problem, I'm just an "inferior", so can't really help out to much. I guess all I can say is not act like we are the bane of existence, and realize that people like what they like. At one point I did have that kind of attitude towards Bleach, though not vocal about it towards people. I eventually learned that people can like it for whatever reasons they want, even if you feel it is really strange.
 

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You're becoming a bit too predictable Sung-Hwan, I saw this topic and instantly knew it was you.

As per your question, what you're talking about is an elite, and of course it's easy for them to fit in with the masses.
I'd tell you how we do it but you wouldn't understand.
 

Teoes

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Time to try a new shtick, OP - this one has run its course.

What else do you have for us?
 

NPC009

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Perhaps the almighty knower of anime could offer some knowledge to us plebs by contributing to discussions regarding his otaku interests in a gentlemanly manner?
 

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If you want to hang out with the dirty rabble without seeming lordly you need to rub dirt on yourself, the peasants are always dirty from their turnip and cabbage farming. Try to look at the ground and avoid eye contact, only lords hold their heads high and look people in the eye. Wear simple clothes. Dont share your knowledge of higher learning about things such as anime, lest the people realise youve had an elite education. If your secret is revealed move on, the peasants will be too busy quaking in terror at the fear of execution and worrying youve come to tax them harder to have meaningful interactions.
 

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I could be wrong, but haven't we already had this thread before? Didn't you make it once nearly word for word like this one.

Either way, with how you view yourself, and how you identify yourself as being better for having more knowledge than other people, nope. Not going to happen. Because you've already propped yourself up and it's holding up your ego. Unless you can come down from that, no-one'll be too interested in talking to you about anime.
 

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yeah, um, you're misusing the word 'elitist' here.

Keep in mind 'elite' (someone who is amongst the best or most knowledgeable in their field)
is NOT the same thing as being 'elitist', which is more akin to being an arrogant snob than it is an actual remark on skill.

Also remember 'elite' is a very extreme term too. The chances of you actually being 'elite' anything is pretty slim. It doesn't just mean skilled, or experienced, or knowledgeable, it means the best of the best.

calling yourself 'elite' is akin to saying you are one of the best on the planet (or country/town/club/school/whatever if you specify that kind of limitation).

It is way beyond mere skill or experience, so be very very careful going around calling yourself 'elite'...
 

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Wait, feigning stupidity and being an asshole didn't work? But... most people are stupid assholes? How can this be?
 

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visiblenoise said:
Dansen said:
I don't know how people are still able to respond to these threads. He has made this same thread so many times before during these past few weeks. Its some sort of performance art/satire of nerd culture. Look at his name for gods sake if you rearrange the first two letters of the names you get Hung-Swan.

If you think you are better than other people and it show, they wont like you. Sixteen years should be long enough to learn this.
Yea...I feel like people are scared of getting banned, so even threads like this turn into a lively discussion. With eloquently expressed points of view.

I dunno about the hung swan thing, though.
Funnily enough, OP's last thread got closed and I received a warning for insulting another user at exactly the same time. I'm not proud of it, but I think it backs up what you're saying.
 

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Baffle said:
I assumed we were all in on the joke and were just playing along in an attempt to suspend reality. Like when you pretend the little kid with the tiny plastic cup has really made you a cup of tea and ... mmm, it's delicious! No, I couldn't possibly have another, I'm completely full.
That's a shame. I'd hate for you to miss out on a slice of Sung's delicious nutty fruitcake.
 

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You simply can entertain people and be nice and polite and withhold information that if revealed will make people feel inferior to you. It's not hard. All it takes is for your ego to be able to tolerate being seen as an equal to the lesser ones. If you're not an elitist with the negative sense of the term you should be able to tolerate this much.
 

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cathou said:
actually, at this point, i think he's just trolling.

here's one of the thread where he want to pass himself for an "inferior"

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.868512-Suggestions-for-anime-games
Actually, I think the following thread is a better example of the OP's disgracefully self-important attitude:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/538.868542-How-to-fit-into-American-society

Apparently no one in the entire western world is capable of understanding his vast intellect and genius.
 

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Sung-Hwan said:
leberkaese said:
I wonder how being an 'elitists' for animuu and mangers conflicts with talking to people with less 'experience'? Do you need to correct them when they like an anime that's acttually supposed to be called a bad anime? Do they mistakes in interpreting the story, while episode 45 clearly shows something different?

Your problem possibly is that you think about those people as being inferior while they're not. They have watched less anime than you and therefore they have a completely different opinion about it. There's nothing to feel superior about a hobby that's experienced subjectively.
Most people feel it, if someone thinks he's superior in something. You have to be a good liar to hide this.

If you can't change that way of thinking and you want to talk to people about this stuff you probably should find people that watched as many anime as you did. You can talk to those on the same level.

But now to your actual concern: if you don't like the stuff mainstream likes, you don't have to try enjoying it. Because it won't work. If all your friends love Sword Art Online and you don't get how somebody can enjoy that, you'll probably never like it. If your friends adore Call of Duty and Fifa while you're hating it... you probably won't become part of mainstream audience.
Having had light to moderate experience with mediums such as films and some Western animation, I don't think there's any difference in elitism in regards to anime. If you have the experience to back it up, you have the supposed authority to criticize others for not liking what you like, liking aspects of the industry that aren't healthy, etc.
Even if someone has the experience that doesn't give them the authority to criticize someone else for liking what they don't like. It is one of the most insipid, immature, narcissistic, egotistical things someone can do. I refuse to associate with anyone that does that.
 

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Oooooh I wouldn't call you an elitist, you've clearly surpassed that.

Though I think a few people on the second page have the right response to this thread...
 

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Dansen said:
I don't know how people are still able to respond to these threads. He has made this same thread so many times before during these past few weeks. Its some sort of performance art/satire of nerd culture. Look at his name for gods sake if you rearrange the first two letters of the names you get Hung-Swan.

If you think you are better than other people and it show, they wont like you. Sixteen years should be long enough to learn this.
I have no idea as to the veracity of the poster but I would like to point out that Sung-Hwan is a Korean personal name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Sung-hwan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byun_Sung-hwan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Sung-hwan_(politician)
 

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Casual Shinji said:
Sung-Hwan said:
If you have the experience to back it up, you have the supposed authority to criticize others for not liking what you like, liking aspects of the industry that aren't healthy, etc.
Yeah, you keep thinking that, buddy. And enjoy those cold shoulders, because you'll be getting them aplenty. Have fun feeling superior liking anime and videogames. Maybe one day you can erect a statue in your own honor using popsicle sticks or something.
I second this post partially because I'm one of those elitists that OP speaks of

I can tell you right now that even if you think that you can critique and analyze anime better than others, there are always people who like things for reasons different from yours, people who have more experience than you or people who just don't care.

You want to go rouge and isolationist like an anti-hero, go right ahead but it's a very painful path and I have the mental issues to prove it

Edit: might as well clarify my position, I am elitist in terms of the idea of self-beilef that I am capable of applying academic critique to anime in a way that most people can't

I have been proven wrong time and time again and I am trying to edit my behavior and mindset. In addition, the self-belief has led to me being more angry at anime than happy so take your pick of proclaimed supremacy or actual satisfaction with life.
 

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might as well clarify my position, I am elitist in terms of the idea of self-beilef that I am capable of applying academic critique to anime in a way that most people can't
I have to disagree here with you a little. I've seen some of your posts and your "critique" of different anime. I mean, you can review "academically" or whatever but there is something you fail to see. Your critique is always only subjective. You either don't want to or you don't understand why other people might enjoy something. And that's why you only bring up your personal opinion of things. How can anyone else, who don't share your "taste", gain anything from your review? They can't. And that's not good critique.