Is it taboo to cosplay as a character clearly from another race than yourself?

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Ed130 The Vanguard

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As someone who hasn't seen The Princess and the Frog is there any other differences between Tiana and the other Disney princess apart from her skin colour? Because they all seem to buy their ballgowns from the same designer.

As others have said, don't go Blackface, if around a third of the Ezio's, Altair's and Connors of at least one dozen cosplayers were Asian and nobody raised an eyebrow at it at the last expo I attended then (in theory) there shouldn't be any issue.
 

Elamdri

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I say the girl can cosplay as anyone she damn well pleases. Cosplaying a black character when she's white seems to be one of those things that some people consider disrespectful without being able to give a clear reason as to why, exactly, it is. It's the old "It involves race, so it's gotta be politically incorrect" thing.
It has to do with the fact that people still remember the historical context of blackface actors. Which was pretty racist. Even if you have no racial motive, just the act of being white and trying to portray a black character makes people think of blackface and that's not really something you want people thinking about you.
 

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sanquin said:
As long as she doesn't go with blackface, I don't see the problem at all.
Is it bad that this made me LOL? It's true, regardless; I say you can cosplay as anyone you want to. The only problem I see with Tiana is that if the cosplayer is white, might she be mistaken for for Cinderella or whoever? That seems like that would be the only problem, though.
 

Norithics

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I... don't even see what's wrong with darkening your skin. I mean at some point, yeah, that was super touchy stuff. But who in the hell goes to anime/game/whatever cons and is old enough to remember Al Jolson? If you're not intentionally turning yourself into a racist caricature, go wild.

Hell, do it because Tumblr hates it.
 

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Dr. Pepper Unlimited said:
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It was apparently "racist" according to some Tumblr activists
Hold the phone..."Tumblr activists"? That is a....thing?

Tumblr thinks it's the sole bastion of human rights on the internet. Generally, this involves reducing anyone who's white and/or male and/or not gay to a racist caricature. *

*This of course, does not cover the entirety of the Tumblr userbase, nor those members of it who create political cartoons or otherwise satirise the general culture as opposed to blindly perpetuating the same cultural behaviours they claim to protest against. As a user of the site myself I have enjoyed many pleasant experiences and interactions with others and my comments are directed, in fact, at just a small portion of the total userbase. The site, due to the nature of human interactions on the internet, is also populated by those protesting other so called human rights atrocities, of which I will not speak of to avoid exacerbating issues and provoking an argument or similar incident.
 

Scars Unseen

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Allow me to reverse the situation in a context that has happened fairly recently. Do you think that it would be okay for a black actor to play the part of a Norse god?
 

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Dude, people called out Power Rangers for being racist because they put a black guy in a black suit, Asian girl in a yellow suit, and a Native American in the red Zeo suit.

I say just don't go blackface and don't act offensive. If you treat the character with respect, there shouldn't be an issue except by knee-jerk-lemon-scented-pussy-wipes.
 

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Norithics said:
I... don't even see what's wrong with darkening your skin. I mean at some point, yeah, that was super touchy stuff. But who in the hell goes to anime/game/whatever cons and is old enough to remember Al Jolson? If you're not intentionally turning yourself into a racist caricature, go wild.

Hell, do it because Tumblr hates it.
While there's nothing intrinsically wrong with it, you've gotta remember there are still people who were alive when that crap was actually happening, this isn't some ancient history thing there are multiple generations who are living right now that remember when this was the popular perception of black people in the media. It wasn't just Al Jolson either, black characters popped up in comics and cartoon that had that same look and behavior, co-opting actual American Black culture of the time and turning it into a vicious mockery. Later on, blackface and the Al Jolson style black stereotype, were adopted by the KKK during the civil rights movement in the 50's and 60's, and used for propaganda and justification of their beliefs (I.E. the idea that the blackface stereotype was more truth than exagerration). Considering this was the time period that white mobs affiliated with the KKK in small towns were lynching black people, it's understandable that the generation that was alive at that time, as well as the one that came after and got those stories direct from their parents, would be a little wary of it.

Is it fair? Not entirely, but neither was the Nazis jacking the Swastika for their own purposes. Blackface is associated with a time when black people in small towns were literally being chased down and murdered by mobs of white people for the crime of daring to speak out for civil rights (or just daring to be in their small town community after dark). Many people who lived in that time are still alive today and maybe we should at least wait for that generation to die out before we start asking black people to just "get over" a symbol of a very dark time for them, because some people want to dress up as Nick Fury at a comic con.

30 years ago, going around in blackface would have likely got your teeth punched in, nowadays it will mostly just get you random people on the internet calling you a douchebag racist, so it's definitely getting there and the stigma is fading away gradually. In another 20 years it's likely even the internet won't give two shits about a white person in blackface, but shit as bad as that takes time to settle down.

Being in blackface doesn't make you a bad person or even a racist, just be aware your going to take criticism if you choose to do it. It's like those Axis Powers Hetalia cosplayers a while ago, that took pictures of themselves giving a German salute near a Jewish Holocaust museum (from what I remember of the story they weren't aware the museum was there), they may not have meant anything wrong with their actions, but you have to understand what something like that is going to look like out of context.
 

Amir Kondori

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As long as people are avoiding blackface it is all good. Maybe she just doesn't feel she can pull off the character or give it an authentic look, which would be a personal thing and not because of any taboo.
 

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I've seen a lot of little black girls dress up as the four classical Disney princesses (Aurora, Snow White, Belle, & Cinderella) on Halloween for several years and no one ever seems to bat an eye at them or the parents.

Anyone can dress up/cosplay/LARP as any character they want, despite them being accurate or true to the character's appearance. I mean, there are just as many men dressed up as Slave Leias as there are chubby Slave Leias.
 

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I (a black guy) say go for it. even if she wanted to darken her skin like those awesome cosplayers did theres really no problem with it.

it all comes down to respect at the end of the day. if a person wants to roleplay as a character of a different race go for it, just be sure to follow Wil Wheaton's rule and avoid going as Jynx or Mr. Popo.
 

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Scars Unseen said:
Allow me to reverse the situation in a context that has happened fairly recently. Do you think that it would be okay for a black actor to play the part of a Norse god?
That's not the same thing.

The other is people cosplaying as a character for fun, the other is the creators offering a job to someone.
Not to mention there are far less black characters in superhero comics than white ones.

The problem with taking a black character and having a white person portray it is that you'd be taking away one of the few black ones to make yet another white character, or cast a white guy in facepaint when you could cast a black actor.

In cosplaying, you are just giving your interpretation of the character, and you aren't taking away anyone's job.

As for this, there is nothing racist as cosplaying as someone from another race. Even if you paint your face black and make fun of the character. Because you'd be making fun of the character, not the whole race.

However, you'd have to make it pretty sure that comes across, because of what kind of a history blackface has. So you might want to avoid that, or at least portray the character respectfully.

Or in a way that steers away from any racial stereotype.


EternallyBored said:
While there's nothing intrinsically wrong with it, you've gotta remember there are still people who were alive when that crap was actually happening, this isn't some ancient history thing there are multiple generations who are living right now that remember when this was the popular perception of black people in the media. It wasn't just Al Jolson either, black characters popped up in comics and cartoon that had that same look and behavior, co-opting actual American Black culture of the time and turning it into a vicious mockery. Later on, blackface and the Al Jolson style black stereotype, were adopted by the KKK during the civil rights movement in the 50's and 60's, and used for propaganda and justification of their beliefs (I.E. the idea that the blackface stereotype was more truth than exagerration). Considering this was the time period that white mobs affiliated with the KKK in small towns were lynching black people, it's understandable that the generation that was alive at that time, as well as the one that came after and got those stories direct from their parents, would be a little wary of it.
It also depends on where you are, know your audience and all that.
Blackface in Finland, for example, has a different history. It was mostly used to portray black characters (who were usually based on stereotypes) because there were no black people to play those parts.

There is a traditional Christmas-play originating from the 17th century called Tiernapojat that depicts the Christmas story and one of the characters is a black king who has come to see Jesus, and he is traditionally portrayed in blackface.

Also there's a song about how he's black and how Herodotus basically goes 'Dude, why are you black? That's so weird. Kneel before me.'

But blackface was never a thing in the same way it was in US, and the stereotypes of the minstrel shows weren't used to harm people the same way in Finland. Because there were no black people here before, and nowadays, while there is a growing black population, the stereotypes and attitudes are dfferent from what they are/were in the US.

We do know about that stuff, though, so that traditional Tiernapojat is kinda problematic. Especially since it's played by kids, and black kids might not appreciate being called weird for being black.
 

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When I first wanted to do cosplay, I always kept thinking to myself that the only person I could ever pull off with my complexion was The Prince of Persia. That was circa '05 and since then I've seen a wide array of characters being portrayed by various people of differing backgrounds and what not. To me it really shouldn't matter. Think of it this way, how many people do you see cosplaying anime characters that are actually Japanese? If that's acceptable, why would it be any different with any other combination of races, genders, etc?

Just my opinion, though...
 

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Yes, if you ask cosplayers, it's a gargantuan, horrible issue.

If you aren't white. White people are, of course, allowed to cosplay any character all day and that's okay and you're a horrible person to think otherwise. And it's also totally okay, according to cosplayers, to send a 14 year old black girl death threats, because she tried to cosplay Sailor Moon.

That's cosplayers for you.
 

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EternallyBored said:
While there's nothing intrinsically wrong with it, you've gotta remember there are still people who were alive when that crap was actually happening,
Yeeeah, but at the same time, it's never those people who get up in arms. It's never the people who remember that kind of thing and lived through it who see the kid cosplaying and get mad about it- it's always some douchebag 20-something slacktivist who read about somebody talking about it somewhere and decided to become the embodiment of "my people's suffering!"

Instead of ever doing anything to actually further the cause of equality, I might add.
 

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Well...

If you're ever up for a vacation I know where and when you can safely do it.

Visit the Netherlands from the first of December to the fifth of December. You'll find people dressed like this in most places:



There's one requirement though. You have to carry lots of candy and share it with everyone you see.
 

AngloDoom

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I don't think there's anything wrong with it, just that people might not understand which character your friend is going as. Disney Princesses are pretty standard builds and it's a hard time distinguishing Sleeping Beauty from Cinderella from a cosplay perspective, and a lot of Tiana's identity in the film is wrapped up in her race. It's not taboo, really, it's just the same as cosplaying as Gandalf and not having a beard, hat or staff - don't expect everyone to know who you are.