Question. If you can get that experience from watching porn, why don't you just watch porn?Maxtro said:
Also Game of Thrones.
Is it time for feminists to step off our hobby?
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Also Game of Thrones.
Yes, this is about YOU, isn't it? Not the woman who dared to make a video complaining about the depiction of females in entertainment and getting a shit ton of kitchen jokes, death threats, and rape threats for it. Not the woman who dared submit a game on steam greenlight and then also got death threats and rape threats, then had trouble with her boyfriend which led to the internet slut shaming harder than it ever has before.
But no, clearly WE'RE the oppressed ones in this situation, right? Because anita is jack thompson even though jack thompson got disbarred and anita doesn't even have the powers of a low level lawyer. She dared criticize us from outside of the medium, so she's as bad as all those evil ban games senators, right? Like how christians are oppressed by gay people. Like how muslims are oppressed by women daring to show some ankle.
And no, by the way, I don't think they faked their harassment. Because the evidence to that effect is shoddy at best and I think it's just a bullshit excuse to not take any of the harassment these women are getting seriously.
Games aren't going to be banned, and we aren't an oppressed minority. Stop making shit up.
But no, clearly WE'RE the oppressed ones in this situation, right? Because anita is jack thompson even though jack thompson got disbarred and anita doesn't even have the powers of a low level lawyer. She dared criticize us from outside of the medium, so she's as bad as all those evil ban games senators, right? Like how christians are oppressed by gay people. Like how muslims are oppressed by women daring to show some ankle.
And no, by the way, I don't think they faked their harassment. Because the evidence to that effect is shoddy at best and I think it's just a bullshit excuse to not take any of the harassment these women are getting seriously.
Games aren't going to be banned, and we aren't an oppressed minority. Stop making shit up.
Technically you *did* have to play as Ellie for a while (plus in the DLC). Not the whole game, but a step in the right direction I'd argue.8bitOwl said:
...and Saint Sarkeesian hated on this game, because instead of using a typically Mario power up system, she had abilities based on being emotional. Burning with anger, crying streams of tears, that kind of thing. She had a floaty glide thing with her umbrella, and the game play wasn't bad, but wasn't my favorite Mario title either.ScrabbitRabbit said:
As far as the OT, devs should be able to make, and gamers able to play, whatever they want to. Period. Without someone trying to create a shaming campaign for a character, plot, or design offending someone's delicate sensibilities.
Want to make an adventure game where you play a black man in a zombie apocalypse? Awesome.
Want to make a sequel to it where you play as a young black girl? Go for it.
Want to make an action game about a martial artist woman in a futuristic version of France who literally mind-fucks people? Great.
Want to make a first person puzzler about a white woman who's lost her memory stuck in a VR system where the memories of the dead are maintained? Cool.
Want to make a cartoony shooter with an ensemble cast including two female protagonists, a female character who is central to the plot, and a side character who is a young white girl who talks in a mix of urban lingo, fairy tale metaphors and a desire for murder and explosions? Even better.
Want to make a crime sandbox where your character can be almost literally anything, including an option to be an animate toilet? Neat.
Hell, want to make a game where you dig through logs from a disabled spaceship while interacting with two AIs, telling a dystopian story about a culture that fell apart and reacted to stress by creating an actual patriarchy? Sure, why not?
Wan to make a DmC-style beat-em-up where you play a white woman who is a witch and an utter badass, is presented in a fairly sexualized manner but utterly owns her own sexuality? Nifty.
Want to make a very gory beat-em-up about a guy who essentially sells his soul to a foul-mouthed cursed mask in exchange for the power to save his girlfriend from peril? Sure, even if it pisses of Saint Sarkeesian.
All of those are from my personal collection. All but three of those are on my Steam account, two of which weren't available on PC (so I got on PS3) and the other I got the PS3 version of because I couldn't get the physical collector's edition for PC locally. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to identify the games.
To be fair, you do play a significant portion of the game as Ellie, a portion of the game where it is also made amply clear that she can take of herself and help the incapacitated male protagonist. She's also shown not to be frail and does in fact help out in combat by trying to stab enemies that grab Joel and later on by actually using her weapons. And as a matter of nitpick, Joel is mid-50's, this is made clear both by how he looks and in-game dialogue.8bitOwl said:
Not that I generally disagree with the argument that TLOU, just like Bioshock: Infinite, relied a little too much on having the main character protect a damsel, even if both games took steps to make sure the damsel actually did more than just get in trouble. However, I think there's a time and place for everything and considering the current state of the games industry it is better to applaud well-written female characters than it is to criticize the same characters for essentially being worn gender tropes. Especially when the game goes to great lengths to avoid having the female character in question just be another protection/rescue quest and actually provide assistance, both in gameplay and story.
This is probably the best summary of the general gaming drama miasma I've seen. Neat job! It's a new, complicated medium in a complicated time, no wonder there is a few growing pains. A lot of running up stairs going "NO ONE UNDERSTANDS ME I HATE YOU!"Jenvas1306 said:
Of course, anything worth having is worth aching a bit for.
You spend some time as Ellie, taking care of a helpless and injured Joel. During that time she shows plenty of self-sufficiency and resolve.8bitOwl said:
"Sexist" really isn't a fair charge to level at TLOU. "Lousy game play", maybe, but not "sexist".
If people honestly want to see certain sects of gaming hit the door then they need to stop highlighting them. I never heard of any claims against TLOU or Bioshock Infinite being sexist until I read the OP.
Never said "ignore". Only said to not give them more 50x more attention than other things.Rocket Girl said:You wish people to ignore others you deem a minority?Aaron Sylvester said:By not making such threads about them and by not giving news/editor articles about feminism 50x more views than their average articles.Rocket Girl said:
As you can see, people are failing
Also, peaches super powers were emotion based... such as be a super crying woman destroying her enemies with her river of tears, or throw a tantrum at them. Because wimmins has super out of control emotions yaknow.Not The Bees said:
Are you saying that all feminists who critique videogames don't actually play them? Because there are a fuckon of feminist identifying people who play videogames as a hobby. We are not a mutually exclusive group.
This is the kind of attitude that fosters this overreactive garbage we see now.
Like the bullshit with "causals" vs. Hardcore gamers.
This is the kind of attitude that fosters this overreactive garbage we see now.
Like the bullshit with "causals" vs. Hardcore gamers.
Feminist critique of film is an established thing that garners no big deal because... its just one form of critique. Heck, even some films are made with Feminist thought in mind (Fight Club for example being a dark satire on masculinity).
There is no reason why Feminist thought should spur such outrage. Unless of course you are some small minded bigoted weirdo with an ax to grind or something. WHICH a lot of popular people on youtube seem to be, much to my disappointment.
There is no reason why Feminist thought should spur such outrage. Unless of course you are some small minded bigoted weirdo with an ax to grind or something. WHICH a lot of popular people on youtube seem to be, much to my disappointment.
Wait, what?Maxtro said:
I distinctly remember seeing almost naked women in most major blockbusters.
I distinctly remember reading about naked women doing almost anything in blockbuster books.
I distinctly remember seeing almost naked women in comics from shlock to artistic visual novels.
and i can carry on
Funny thing is, much, if not most of it was aimed at females...
No, we will never lack female bodies and faces to adore. Vast majority of humans, of any sex/gender combination, have a adoration of female shape and face hard coded in them.
OK, people, pelase don't stone me over this. But MovieBob actually had a important series of 4 videos about censorship in young and free Hollywood and the "change" in the industry (hint, people changed, industry stayed the same).Jenvas1306 said:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/3679-Hollywood-History-101-Part-1
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/3697-Hollywood-History-101-Part-2
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/3768-Hollywood-History-101-Part-3
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/3797-Hollywood-History-101-Supplemental-The-Code
only this time the "progressives" are crying out loud for censorship. It's a nice piece of education on #gamergate from Bob before he changed or went public with his politics.
The only issue I have with a feminist critique of game characters is when it's stated "An actual woman wouldn't say this" or "An actual woman wouldn't do that." Since there are a variety of people who dress, act, and conduct themselves in a variety of different ways. A woman wearing short shorts should get the same respect as a woman wearing pants.
Oh that's good to know that one can speak for an entire sex. That being said, this doesn't happen often. Are feminist right about speaking out against characters that literally are ONLY there as a sex object? Sure. But that could be broken down to trying to censor things to the point where a few are comfortable. So for the most part people can say whatever they want to say and play what they want to play.
Oh that's good to know that one can speak for an entire sex. That being said, this doesn't happen often. Are feminist right about speaking out against characters that literally are ONLY there as a sex object? Sure. But that could be broken down to trying to censor things to the point where a few are comfortable. So for the most part people can say whatever they want to say and play what they want to play.
From gender that always complains how men are emotionless beasts that summary comes out as funny. It's a stereotype, but it's hardly a misogyny. Most men don't have emotional swings and breakdowns most female have or at least we don't display it as strongly. We don't really understand that and it's frankly a bit scary since we don't know how to deal with that plenty of times. Result, Super Princess Peach among other things.Windknight said:
I'm sorry, but what are you talking about? What media are you incapable of or prevented from ogling women in?Maxtro said:
Unless there has been some kind of organized, concentrated movement with a clear goal and ideology attempting to enact changes in our legal system, no one is effectively even trying to "take that away from men," so this complaint strikes me as hyperbolic at best.Maxtro said:
What did "they" get though? I'm honestly curious what games have been affected.Artaneius said:
You ever notice how it's "criticisms" when you agree with it and "whining" when you don't?Artaneius said:
Super Princess Peach is pretty stereotypical. E.g. her powers are pretty much having mood swings, which definitely doesn't help women be portrayed as people with rational feelings. However, it's awesome there is a game with her as the main character but still.ScrabbitRabbit said: