Perfectly unfinished one might even say.Fox12 said:The closest thing I've seen to "perfect" is this:
Still, if the last memory I get from Berserk is...
...Rickert *****-slapping Griffith...
...than I'm alright with that.
Is Robocop the perfect movie?
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Still, if the last memory I get from Berserk is...
...than I'm alright with that.
No, it isn't. I don't even particularly like Robocop. Verhoeven tends to be a little heavy-handed with his message, and I prefer a more subtle touch. It was well-crafted, it did it's job and made it's point. But I really see Verhoeven as a guy that tries to captivate the "PWHAOR, DUDE! That guy just got the fuck shot out of him," crowd and make them think "dude... that shit's deep," afterword. And more power to him. If we can force some story depth onto the Beavis and Butthead crowd out there, that's a step in the right direction. But an approach like that just frustrates me. I'm constantly thinking "ok... yeah, I get it... come on already... seriously, got the point an hour ago, come ON...
I guess I don't hate it, it just kind of annoys me. I'd rather a movie didn't even have a point to make, rather than have one that thickly shoveled on. That being said, I'm glad it and Starship Troopers are out there and as well loved as they are. But perfect, no I don't even particularly enjoy watching it.
I guess I don't hate it, it just kind of annoys me. I'd rather a movie didn't even have a point to make, rather than have one that thickly shoveled on. That being said, I'm glad it and Starship Troopers are out there and as well loved as they are. But perfect, no I don't even particularly enjoy watching it.
It didn't age very well I'll say that much.
The movie was intended to be a satire of ultraviolent movies and corporatism. It succeeded on both counts provided the audience paid attention.
Thing is, I just don't like Verhoeven's idea of satire. Satire is best done from a place of love or at least respect. There is a lot of hate in his work and it is just unpleasant to watch when you see what he is saying.
the effects were overdone to the point of cheese even for it's time. the stop motion for ED-209 being a particularly harsh example. But also anytime a body was being riddled with bullets, you could clearly tell it was a dummy. The characters were flat and boring, every last one of them. The message was all that was important here and that could have been hammered in a lot faster than the movie's runtime.
Enjoyable to watch once. turn your brain off though. seeing the deeper message is simply depressing and removes from teh experience.
Captcha: swan song, yes, can we please have a Swan Song movie, now that would be fucking hype.
The movie was intended to be a satire of ultraviolent movies and corporatism. It succeeded on both counts provided the audience paid attention.
Thing is, I just don't like Verhoeven's idea of satire. Satire is best done from a place of love or at least respect. There is a lot of hate in his work and it is just unpleasant to watch when you see what he is saying.
the effects were overdone to the point of cheese even for it's time. the stop motion for ED-209 being a particularly harsh example. But also anytime a body was being riddled with bullets, you could clearly tell it was a dummy. The characters were flat and boring, every last one of them. The message was all that was important here and that could have been hammered in a lot faster than the movie's runtime.
Enjoyable to watch once. turn your brain off though. seeing the deeper message is simply depressing and removes from teh experience.
Captcha: swan song, yes, can we please have a Swan Song movie, now that would be fucking hype.
What moments are those? Apart from Murphy getting shot in the head every scene of someone getting shot is squibs on a real person.jklinders said:
I think Total Recall was the better movie. It worked both as an over-the-top action movie and as a satire of the genre
The way the guy getting shot in the scene were ED-209 malfunctioned had something off about it. it looked like the head of the actor was more mounted on the body of a dummy that was jiggling around weirdly when it was shot. Maybe it was just bad acting acting rather than a shitty prop, but even for the day it was pretty bad for a feature flick.Casual Shinji said:
Is Robocop perfect? No, but it's still a great violent, 80s action movie.
The remake? Not that bad. There were just so many layers to the original that the remake doesn't really hit on (like the satire of culture EVERYWHERE).
Talking about remakes though, I hated the remake of Total Recall - bland sets (shades of gray), 1D characters who got mashed together, they don't even go to Mars. I rented it, then immediately went out and bought the old version with Arnie on Blu-Ray. That movie had style, interesting characters, and over the top violence. The remake had none of it.
The remake? Not that bad. There were just so many layers to the original that the remake doesn't really hit on (like the satire of culture EVERYWHERE).
Talking about remakes though, I hated the remake of Total Recall - bland sets (shades of gray), 1D characters who got mashed together, they don't even go to Mars. I rented it, then immediately went out and bought the old version with Arnie on Blu-Ray. That movie had style, interesting characters, and over the top violence. The remake had none of it.
Robocop is certainly memorable, and has bucketloads of more soul than the plastic action movies of the last decade, but for my money the perfect action movie (and the most quotable too) would have to be Predator, with T2 a very close second
T2 might be the last action movie to actualy deliver on its hype, with great action sequences, great soundtrck and special effects that still look damn impressive more than 20 years later
T2 might be the last action movie to actualy deliver on its hype, with great action sequences, great soundtrck and special effects that still look damn impressive more than 20 years later
That was because he had a squib vest on. And since he was getting shot about a bajillion times, well...jklinders said:
That's a lot of squibs to wear under your shirt.
As for the original question, no. The original Robocop was, to be absolutely fantastic, and is still a movie I watch frequently. But the category it falls into (1970-1980 silly action movies with serious questions behind it) has a highly contested 'best of' title.
EDIT: As for the perfect action film, Terminator 2 held that title, uncontested, for over a decade. Recently there have been some challengers, but I think Terminator 2 is still my favorite.
It truly is amazing... One of my favourite films in history. Incredibly cool protagonist, flashy violence, sharp satire, it's got it all.
As far as action movies go, it's good to see Terminator 2 and Total Recall mentioned, they're very high up there. I'm also a big fan of Steven Seagal ones, especially Above the Law.
As far as action movies go, it's good to see Terminator 2 and Total Recall mentioned, they're very high up there. I'm also a big fan of Steven Seagal ones, especially Above the Law.
Oh, it is still beloved and definitely still an amazing game. But the counter-culture of "hate on anything people consider a classic" has grown. Add to that the younger folk who started with a storywise much blander, but graphically superior experience like Final Fantasy X.Nazulu said:
