Carpenter said:
You have presented a nice list of things you thought were wrong with the movie, the problem is they are not flaws but opinions. Saying it relied on melodrama is an opinion without basis in fact, there's no distinction between melodrama or drama except the way we view it.
You say it had no logic or not as much as it should have but that's like saying the movie didn't have as many horses as it should have. It's an opinion with no logical grounds.
Oldman seemed to obedient? So were the scenes of him arguing with authority not confrontational enough? The movie was never meant to be a direct remake of the comic characters, so complaining that the characters are not exactly the same is just kind of silly. Might as well complain about the absence of robin.
The "old guy recapping things we already knew" while the monorail goes is a vital part of the movie. Not every line is meant to simply state a fact you need to know, it's meant to link ideas to the symbolism presented. You say the movie relied on "melodrama" but you still don't say how that differs from regular drama. Characters don't just mope and whine in any Nolan movie I have seen, especially the prestige, so I don't get where you are going with that. Did you see the movie or just the trailers?
Yes some characters get sad or angry, that's because those are human emotions that most humans experience in times of trial. Some people get something out of watching characters go through those struggles. It's not like the movies are nothing but people whining and moping.
Everything you list is either just a scene from a movie (with no real flaw presented) or a strange opinion like "too much melodrama" or "not enough cowbell" which there's no point in debating because it's like saying the sky is too blue. If it's too dramatic for you, don't watch dramatic movies.
I'm glad you liked the avengers, maybe that's more your speed. None of that human emotion stuff, just big green guy and metal man beating up aliens and eachother. Hey it's a fun movie but there's nothing more going on, no reason for me to watch it again or even the first time.
The Avengers was even more "illogical" had far more "plot holes" and the moping in that movie (From the two useless human characters) bored me to no end because I can care less how these action figure models feel when neither one seems human in the slightest.
The Avengers was basically a Michal Bay movie that has a huge fanbase and a lot of praise because it's made by the guy that writes great stories. It's sappy, pro establishment, needlessly patriotic, slug fest. It's a Michael Bay movie through and through.
Even if you hated the dark knight trilogy, at least it had something to cause a debate, at least it could incite real discussion. Nobody is going to get into a thought provoking ideological debate over the Avengers.
But hey, at least it wasn't as "illogical" as an old man explaining things we already know, because pointless exposition is certainly not present in the Avengers.
Sorry, I just had to, you didn't answer any of my questions and only presented baseless opinion so I really had nothing to debate there. The movie was too dramatic, too dramatic for whom?
The movie was stupid, again how is a movie stupid? You never explained that, how can a movie be stupid? Can a movie be smart? Can a movie be strong or tall too?
Hold on... Would this all go a lot better if I had said "In my opinion, these are flaws"? Because I thought that went without saying. Of course these are my opinions and interpretations.
I don't think "Old dude explaining things" was needed at all. Just my opinion. I get that you liked it and I'm certainly not going to fault you for it. I addressed melodrama in the following post, though, and said it was something that an individual interpretation. You saw these characters and thought they were interesting. I did not. Opinions, man.
At the end of the day, these are just things I didn't like. You liked them, fine. I didn't.
Avengers was good because of the plot holes and stupidity. I liked that. In between your Blade Runners, Scanner Darkly's, Unforgiven's, Un chien andalou's, etc there's room for explodey shit like Avengers. But DK did nothing for me and I presented to you reasons why.
Oh, man... "a movie is stupid" is a generalised term that encompasses different things, which I explained to you in detail. It can not get plainer than that. At all. You're either missing the point entirely or purposely trying to twist things to suit your own goals. Both of which baffle me. Can it not just be "You like the movie. I do not."?