....why do we have to do this every. Freaking. Week? Yes, Nintendo is fine. Moving on from artificial drama and BS scenarios that will never come to pass. We have been over this again and again. There is nothing more to elaborate on.
No, it's based on the fact Sony is outselling Nintendo 2-to-1 even though the Wii U was released a full year before the PS4, Nintendo sold only 5% of its target in 2013 and sales forecast went from 9 million to 2.8 million in 2014, making it the company's slowest-selling console in history.CrystalShadow said:All this doomsaying based on basically nothing...
Sony outsold it 3-to-1.Nintendo consoles have always been profitable. The NES and SNES 'won' their generations. The N64 was second
Sony outsold it 7-to-1.The gamecube was third.
A whopping 25%.The Wii? Well, do I even need to say it? The 'it prints money meme' exists for a reason. It was the most successful console of the generation by a wide margin
Yup.The Wii U? OK, so compared to the Wii it looks very bad.
They're all in the millions.But it's sales figures are still in the millions.
Sony sold 18.5 million so far or something. (in about 1 year)Like, 9 million so far or something. (in about 2 years)
Congratulations, the Wii U is catching up to Nintendo's worst-selling console of all time.To put this in context, the gamecube sold 22 million in it's lifetime. So, the Wii U is on track to at least match the gamecube.
Indeed.It's all a matter of perspective.
~slow clap~ Quoting things out of context. Well done. Always a good start for your credibility.Johnny Novgorod said:I agree with "Nintendo isn't going anywhere (because it has the gross domestic product of a small country and can fuck about 120 years before having to suffer for it)", but I'd like to put things in perspective, since it is, as you say, all a matter of perspective.
CrystalShadow said:All this doomsaying based on basically nothing...
Irrelevant, meaningless in context to what you're replying to, so it amounts to little more than a strawman response.No, it's based on the fact Sony is outselling Nintendo 2-to-1 even though the Wii U was released a full year before the PS4, Nintendo sold only 5% of its target in 2013 and sales forecast went from 9 million to 2.8 million in 2014, making it the company's slowest-selling console in history.
Choose to ignore this if you will, but there's plenty to go around on the subject of Nintendo not performing swimmingly.
Irrelevant, and again your out of context quotes aren't helping you here. Besides which, it doesn't negate what I said.Sony outsold it 3-to-1.Nintendo consoles have always been profitable. The NES and SNES 'won' their generations. The N64 was second
Again, that's irrelevant to the fact that the gamecube was profitable and third in it's generationSony outsold it 7-to-1.The gamecube was third.
You think 25% is insignificant? Interesting.A whopping 25%.The Wii? Well, do I even need to say it? The 'it prints money meme' exists for a reason. It was the most successful console of the generation by a wide margin
The Wii U? OK, so compared to the Wii it looks very bad.
So? Contrary to popular belief, 'winning the competition' is not equal to 'success'Yup.
They're all in the millions.But it's sales figures are still in the millions.
What's the profit margin on those sales, hmm? My guess is it's a negative number. Which from a business perspective renders it a moot pointLike, 9 million so far or something. (in about 2 years)
Sony sold 18.5 million so far or something. (in about 1 year)
Again, out of context quote that misses the point of what I said. Congratulations on your strawman argument, and basically completely steamrolling my point in favour of something else entirelyCongratulations, the Wii U is catching up to Nintendo's worst-selling console of all time.To put this in context, the gamecube sold 22 million in it's lifetime. So, the Wii U is on track to at least match the gamecube.
Yup. And you basically steamrolled the purpose of what I said in favour of reinforcing the standard gamer fanboy argument that is completely irrelevant to the success of any business...Indeed.It's all a matter of perspective.
Disclaimer: I never fully understood what 'strawman' meant. People seem to find it everywhere though.CrystalShadow said:Irrelevant, meaningless in context to what you're replying to, so it amounts to little more than a strawman response.Johnny Novgorod said:No, it's based on the fact Sony is outselling Nintendo 2-to-1 even though the Wii U was released a full year before the PS4, Nintendo sold only 5% of its target in 2013 and sales forecast went from 9 million to 2.8 million in 2014, making it the company's slowest-selling console in history.
Choose to ignore this if you will, but there's plenty to go around on the subject of Nintendo not performing swimmingly.
Ugh.
Well it is. Compared to how the PS1 sold 300% more and the PS2 sold 700% more, I think the Wii selling 25% more in that context is a bit laughable as far as victories go. So yes, pretty interesting.You think 25% is insignificant? Interesting.
Just pointing out comparing the Wii U to the GameCube is literally the slowest standard to have for Nintendo, since it was their worst selling home console. You bring up the Virtual Boy gimmick, but the thread is about home consoles, not handheld gadgetry.So? Contrary to popular belief, 'winning the competition' is not equal to 'success'
The sales figures of the Wii U are high enough.
The Wii U has sold millions, and is still selling
This guess of yours is made on what, exactly? On the source you didn't quote and the rationale you didn't explain?Like, 9 million so far or something. (in about 2 years)
Sony sold 18.5 million so far or something. (in about 1 year)
What's the profit margin on those sales, hmm? My guess is it's a negative number. Which from a business perspective renders it a moot point
You keep using that word.Again, out of context quote that misses the point of what I said. Congratulations on your strawman argument, and basically completely steamrolling my point in favour of something else entirely
I, on the other hand, am not impressed by the way you had to resort to sarcasm and personal attacks to satisfyingly reply to a wholly impersonal, objective post.I'm so impressed with your debating skills...
No, you must not remember it clearly. The PS3 was considered a flop in its first half year because the price tag was killing it. In the year it launched the 360 sold double it's numbers in December despite the 360 having already been out for a year. December was like 800k units for the PS3 which was terrible.144 said:At this point in the PS3's life, I remember people calling it a massive flop. I remember that well. But it picked up. Why?
The point isn't that they said they are working on the replacement. The point is that they're discussing it while talking about the dismal sales of the WiiU. If the WiiU's successor is only two years out, then the WiiU has a very short life. There is a tremendous difference between looking at a different product to solve your problems vs looking at how you can make the current one better. They are instead saying that they'll continue to make quality titles for the WiiU. Which is nice and all, but that's end of life talk.CrystalShadow said:I'm sorry, but that's a real non-statement that people read way too much into. So miyamoto said they're working on a new console.
Big deal. Do you have any idea what the lead time on developing a new console is?
The Wii was released in 2006, and they first came up with the idea in 2001. The console was first announced to the public in 2004, 2 years before release.
(in case you missed it, that's 5 years of development, with an announcement which as I recall already explained the basic premise of the new console 2 years before it's release)
I'm fairly sure the N64 and Gamecube were announced way ahead of their actual releases too.
Given the typical console lifecycle, vaguely hinting at 'we have a new design in the works' at this point is blatantly pointing out the obvious.
Worse, given they are talking of 'experimenting with new ideas' that makes it even less likely they are quite ready to announce a new system.
And even if they make a more concrete announcement some time this year, given past history, that suggests a 2017 release at the earliest. Which is... Guess what? a standard 5 year console cycle... >_>
All this doomsaying based on basically nothing...
To be fair, so do Microsoft and Sony - it's just that Nintendo tend to be a bit more economical about it. It kinda shows too, since getting games to run at 60fps is considerably easier when you're not trying to push the hardware so much.Doom972 said:*Snip* They use outdated hardware *Snip*
To be fair, whilst it doesn't excuse Nintendo's stupid YouTube policy, let's not forget that Microsoft doesn't like YouTubers using their game titles in the video titles or descriptions. A stream or video simply called "Halo Master Chief Collection" would violate Microsoft's video content policy. A bit silly, innit.EbonBehelit said:I do agree with ya on the whole 'behind the times' remark though: Nintendo really doesn't seem to understand how good Youtubers are for business yet.
Actually, I think Microsoft came out and said that you are allowed to use Halo in the name of your Let's Play video. Granted, I can't remember exactly where I heard/read that...OhNoYouDidnt said:To be fair, whilst it doesn't excuse Nintendo's stupid YouTube policy, let's not forget that Microsoft doesn't like YouTubers using their game titles in the video titles or descriptions. A stream or video simply called "Halo Master Chief Collection" would violate Microsoft's video content policy. A bit silly, innit.EbonBehelit said:I do agree with ya on the whole 'behind the times' remark though: Nintendo really doesn't seem to understand how good Youtubers are for business yet.
I don't doubt for a second that Nintendo will continue on business (if not because it "wins" this generation, then because it has a fucking ton of money to lose yet). And for the record, the GameCube didn't just "flop compared to the PS2": it flopped compared to anything in that generation. And now the Wii U is selling even slower than that. On the bright side, it's still selling better than the Xbone. To keep tabs on sales (NOT "units shipped") so far:Shirastro said:Caught up between all the Xbox vs PS console war people tend to forget the the "war" for the previous gen consoles was won by Nintendo.
You say the wiiu is selling poorly, but you (and everyone else saying similar things) are using a metric that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. People compare sales numbers for hypothetically comparable systems and declare the lower number a loser that's doing poorly, but I don't imagine people saying things like this about other industries. I don't imagine anyone going "the Toyota Prius is such a failure because they didn't sell as many as the Ford Focus." Or "Subway is a flop, it doesn't keep up with the sales figures of McDonald's." Or to go with an example that isn't just lower price selling faster, nobody's saying "cheaper smartphone makers should just drop out if they aren't keeping up with the iphone."Lightknight said:At the end of the day, if you're having a great deal of fun with your console then that's all that matters. It doesn't invalidate the choice you made of going with the WiiU and it can't take away any of the fun you've been having. It may impact your fun in the future but that's not here yet. Yes, the WiiU is selling poorly. But the individual games are still performing well and this crossroads for Nintendo is really just an opportunity for them to try again. So take heart and keep enjoying your games.
These are all poor analogies. We're talking about a market (consoles) that's neatly divided in three parts, not something that involves hundreds of companies like cars, phones and fast food (speaking of which, McDonald's market isn't Subway's). These are three companies that pretty much make up the entire console market and whose target demographic are all more or less the same. Hence the competitivity. They're all selling the same thing and trying to reach the same people.tstorm823 said:You say the wiiu is selling poorly, but you (and everyone else saying similar things) are using a metric that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. People compare sales numbers for hypothetically comparable systems and declare the lower number a loser that's doing poorly, but I don't imagine people saying things like this about other industries. I don't imagine anyone going "the Toyota Prius is such a failure because they didn't sell as many as the Ford Focus." Or "Subway is a flop, it doesn't keep up with the sales figures of McDonald's." Or to go with an example that isn't just lower price selling faster, nobody's saying "cheaper smartphone makers should just drop out if they aren't keeping up with the iphone."Lightknight said:At the end of the day, if you're having a great deal of fun with your console then that's all that matters. It doesn't invalidate the choice you made of going with the WiiU and it can't take away any of the fun you've been having. It may impact your fun in the future but that's not here yet. Yes, the WiiU is selling poorly. But the individual games are still performing well and this crossroads for Nintendo is really just an opportunity for them to try again. So take heart and keep enjoying your games.
Do you really believe that? You think subway and mcdonalds are different products for different demographics but wiiu, ps4, and xbox one are the same product for the same demographic?Johnny Novgorod said:These are all poor analogies. We're talking about a market (consoles) that's neatly divided in three parts, not something that involves hundreds of companies like cars, phones and fast food (speaking of which, McDonald's market isn't Subway's). These are three companies that pretty much make up the entire console market and whose target demographic are all more or less the same. Hence the competitivity. They're all selling the same thing and trying to reach the same people.
Yes.tstorm823 said:Do you really believe that? You think subway and mcdonalds are different products for different demographics but wiiu, ps4, and xbox one are the same product for the same demographic?Johnny Novgorod said:These are all poor analogies. We're talking about a market (consoles) that's neatly divided in three parts, not something that involves hundreds of companies like cars, phones and fast food (speaking of which, McDonald's market isn't Subway's). These are three companies that pretty much make up the entire console market and whose target demographic are all more or less the same. Hence the competitivity. They're all selling the same thing and trying to reach the same people.