Is the Switch another Wii U?

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

who said i haven't explored the space?

don't shit on Mario for having lots of sequels when alot of the 3rd Party games you want me to play and be interested in suffer from the EXACT same type of sequelitis that Mario does.

Uhh... you did...

I don't want to you specifically play anything in particular, just explore the space.

There's been more Marios/Zeldas/Pokemons than GTAs.

That's because Mario and Zelda have been around longer than GTA.

The main problem for me with Nintendo is they rarely do new IPs. Every new generation, they role out literally the same games over and over again. Stuff like Uncharted, TLOU, Assassin's Creed, Souls all started last-gen for example.

GTA was getting pretty close to catching up to Zelda despite the 10 year gap before it got derailed by GTA Online milking.

Outside of the PS2 gen, there's been like 1 GTA each generation. There was quite a gap between GTA4 & 5 without GTA Online milking.

 

[sXeth]

GTA was getting pretty close to catching up to Zelda despite the 10 year gap before it got derailed by GTA Online milking.

Outside of the PS2 gen, there's been like 1 GTA each generation. There was quite a gap between GTA4 & 5 without GTA Online milking.

Which doesn't change the total number of games they had at that point? There's 11 Grand Theft Auto games, that's a pretty good catchup rate to 13 Zelda games despite an 11 year head start.

If I was making some negative point about content vomiting, I'd use Resident Evil or something, there's like, 20 of those in the same period (or Assassins Creed, which is also somewhere around 20 in even less time).

Moreso E3 season awakens my pedantic amusement at the goofy numbering systems in games. As we prep for Elder Scrolls 10 (and 11) and Fallout 9.

 

[Yoshi178]

who said i haven't explored the space?

don't shit on Mario for having lots of sequels when alot of the 3rd Party games you want me to play and be interested in suffer from the EXACT same type of sequelitis that Mario does.

Uhh... you did...

I don't want to you specifically play anything in particular, just explore the space.

i have explored the space. the space wasn't very interesting.

The main problem for me with Nintendo is they rarely do new IPs. Every new generation, they role out literally the same games over and over again. Stuff like Uncharted, TLOU, Assassin's Creed, Souls all started last-gen for example.

yeah and how many of them are still pumping out sequels and remasters? oh right. all of them.



BTW: Splatoon, ARMS, Daemon X Machina, the Wonderful 101

 

[Saelune]

Why is third party support considered a measure of success against Nintendo? Nintendo does not need third party support, they are Nintendo! They have Mario, Zelda, Pok?mon, POKEMON! Nintendo could JUST have Pok?mon and they would do fiiiiine.

 

[votemarvel]

Why is third party support considered a measure of success against Nintendo? Nintendo does not need third party support, they are Nintendo! They have Mario, Zelda, Pok?mon, POKEMON! Nintendo could JUST have Pok?mon and they would do fiiiiine.

I would have thought that was obvious to be honest.

Most people don't have the time or money to dedicate to multiple systems, nor to buy the games they would like for them. So they have to try and pick the system that gives the best value to them.

Yes the Switch has Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon. Yet the PS4, for example, has its own great exclusives and larger third party support. So people have that choice. Great first party titles and little third party support or great first party titles and greater third party support. It really isn't hard to see why people have a bit of a downer, for want of a better word, against Nintendo.

 

[Yoshi178]

Sure Nintendo would do fine with their first party line up, but console sales wouldn't tick up if they solely relied on console exclusives.

Wii, Nintendo DS and 3DS say hi!

 

[Yoshi178]

Btw Wii attracted a large casual audience with it's motion controls.

alot like how the PS2 attracted the casual audience with it's DVD Player.


PS Vita also says hi btw!


and there were definitely smartphones around before the DS. nice try though lol

 

[Yoshi178]

So why didn't the 3DS reach DS numbers? Why did it underperform compared to the DS?

i don't know, Why hasn't Sony ever been able to beat Nintendo and outperform them in the Handheld gaming console market?

 

[Yoshi178]

Because Nintendo always dominated the handheld space?

So? doesn't mean Sony can't come in and take top spot like they did with PS1

Sony tried and failed.

Exactly.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

who said i haven't explored the space?

Uhh... you did...

i have explored the space. the space wasn't very interesting.

You said here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.1055335-Switch-Online-Service?page=6#24246465] that all the space you explored included a COD game, 2 Red Steels, 2 Batmans, and Skyrim. That's not exploring the space.

yeah and how many of them are still pumping out sequels and remasters? oh right. all of them.

BTW: Splatoon, ARMS, Daemon X Machina, the Wonderful 101

Vs Nintendo pumping out sequels and remasters forever?

Here's JUST Sony's 1st-party new IPs from PS3:
-Folklore
-Resistance
-Uncharted
-TLOU
-MotorStorm
-InFamous
-Lair
-LittleBigPlanet
-Demon's Souls
-Heavy Rain
-MAG
-ModNation Racers
-White Knight Chronicles
-Puppeteer
-Beyond: Two Souls
-Journey and probably at least another dozen PSN new IPs

Sony owns more devs and lets them experiment far more than either Nintendo or Microsoft.

So why didn't the 3DS reach DS numbers? Why did it underperform compared to the DS? Also smart phones as know them today didn't flood the market with their mobile games until late last decade which was right around the time the 3DS first showed up.

Pretty much this. With digital board games becoming a thing recently, my phone literally has better games than any portable game system on the market. I'd much rather play Through the Ages, Sentinels of the Multiverse, and Terraforming Mars than probably any game on 3DS or Vita.

Sony tried and failed.

Exactly.

Just maybe it was because the DS had more games, just maybe... Like maybe if the Switch had more games, it would overtake Sony in the console market. But that's just some crazy idea that has absolutely no basis.

 

[Saelune]

Why is third party support considered a measure of success against Nintendo? Nintendo does not need third party support, they are Nintendo! They have Mario, Zelda, Pok?mon, POKEMON! Nintendo could JUST have Pok?mon and they would do fiiiiine.

I would have thought that was obvious to be honest.

Most people don't have the time or money to dedicate to multiple systems, nor to buy the games they would like for them. So they have to try and pick the system that gives the best value to them.

Yes the Switch has Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon. Yet the PS4, for example, has its own great exclusives and larger third party support. So people have that choice. Great first party titles and little third party support or great first party titles and greater third party support. It really isn't hard to see why people have a bit of a downer, for want of a better word, against Nintendo.

PS4 doesn't have Nintendo games though. Like, so what if Nintendo only makes a fucking shit ass ton of money instead of a fucking shit ass ton more money?

 

[Yoshi178]

You said here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.1055335-Switch-Online-Service?page=6#24246465] that all the space you explored included a COD game, 2 Red Steels, 2 Batmans, and Skyrim. That's not exploring the space.

Yes it is. not everyone wants to, or can afford to play literally every single 3rd Party title in existence like you do. it's already hard enough collecting Nintendo games without adding every single other 3rd Party game out there to my budget as well lol.

and i'd much rather play Mario over the latest FIFA ANY day of the week lol.

 

[Erttheking]

So is there any purpose in anyone else besides you guys being in this thread anymore? Just asking so I know if I shouldn't bother coming back and decide if I should get some writing done or try out the Octopath Traveler demo.

 

[Yoshi178]

So is there any purpose in anyone else besides you guys being in this thread anymore? Just asking so I know if I shouldn't bother coming back and decide if I should get some writing done or try out the Octopath Traveler demo.

i'm not stopping you from participating and talking to other people in the thread.

 

[Mothro]

So is there any purpose in anyone else besides you guys being in this thread anymore? Just asking so I know if I shouldn't bother coming back and decide if I should get some writing done or try out the Octopath Traveler demo.

I'll talk to you. I don't know what to say but I agree that this back and forth between Phoenix and Yoshi is very uninteresting.

Let me see, I am so bored with the Switch that I am back to playing the SNES Classic. Which is my way of saying that I wish Switch had a Virtual console.

 

[Erttheking]

So is there any purpose in anyone else besides you guys being in this thread anymore? Just asking so I know if I shouldn't bother coming back and decide if I should get some writing done or try out the Octopath Traveler demo.

I'll talk to you. I don't know what to say but I agree that this back and forth between Phoenix and Yoshi is very uninteresting.

Let me see, I am so bored with the Switch that I am back to playing the SNES Classic. Which is my way of saying that I wish Switch had a Virtual console.

I'd argue against the Switch being boring but I agree with you 110% on it needing a Virtual Console. If only because the idea of being able to play classic SNES games on the go makes me giddy.

Though I'm confused. They said they don't have the Virtual Console, yet every other week or so they throw up a NES game onto the E-shop. Donkey Kong just went up (for eight bucks, which is a little too much IMHO, games like that are worth five tops) so are they still gonna be uploading classic games to sell, they're just gonna be calling it something different? It's odd.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

I'd argue against the Switch being boring but I agree with you 110% on it needing a Virtual Console. If only because the idea of being able to play classic SNES games on the go makes me giddy.

I know! I don't understand why THIS is the nintendo console that had no Virtual Console.

If it was up to me, it would have launched with the most robust Virtual Console ever. Crono Trigger, Final fantasy 2/4 and 3/6, All the Donkey Kongs, Mario world, Megaman X, Mario Kart 64, Mario 64, and then at the announcement I've have been all "And finally...One NEW addition...GAMECUBE GAMES! We've got Mario Power Tennis, Double Dash, Custom Robo, Metroid Prime 1 and 2, and more to come!"

Seriously, SNES games are perfect bus fodder, and the 64 and gamecube had some amazing stuff on it. Hell, strike a deal with Sega to bring back Phantasy Star Online 1 and 2's online mode! ;_;

 

[sXeth]

So is there any purpose in anyone else besides you guys being in this thread anymore? Just asking so I know if I shouldn't bother coming back and decide if I should get some writing done or try out the Octopath Traveler demo.

I'll talk to you. I don't know what to say but I agree that this back and forth between Phoenix and Yoshi is very uninteresting.

Let me see, I am so bored with the Switch that I am back to playing the SNES Classic. Which is my way of saying that I wish Switch had a Virtual console.

I'd argue against the Switch being boring but I agree with you 110% on it needing a Virtual Console. If only because the idea of being able to play classic SNES games on the go makes me giddy.

Though I'm confused. They said they don't have the Virtual Console, yet every other week or so they throw up a NES game onto the E-shop. Donkey Kong just went up (for eight bucks, which is a little too much IMHO, games like that are worth five tops) so are they still gonna be uploading classic games to sell, they're just gonna be calling it something different? It's odd.

Might just be rebranding to avoid confusion with actual virtual consoles that are potentially coming out left and right. Like it'd be weird to have your classics library labelled "Virtual Console" next to the game streaming stuff from MS, Ubisoft, et al. And potentially damaging given the negative response to said services.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

You said here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.1055335-Switch-Online-Service?page=6#24246465] that all the space you explored included a COD game, 2 Red Steels, 2 Batmans, and Skyrim. That's not exploring the space.

Yes it is. not everyone wants to, or can afford to play literally every single 3rd Party title in existence like you do. it's already hard enough collecting Nintendo games without adding every single other 3rd Party game out there to my budget as well lol.

and i'd much rather play Mario over the latest FIFA ANY day of the week lol.

I've hardly played every single 3rd-party game. Games aren't expensive, I played God of War for $10 total just recently. The main reason I console game is because of how cheap it is to game on them. You don't need to "collect" games, just try whatever are the most interesting games. I don't care who makes the game, I care how interesting it looks; the E3 game that interested me most was Control. I'd be a pretty disappointed gamer if I just played Sony or Nintendo games for example, thinking one company is going to publish/develop all my favorite games is pretty illogical. It's like expecting Sony pictures (or Disney or Fox or Paramount) to make the best movies and only watching those movies.

I'd rather play Dishonored or Divinity than any Mario or Uncharted or God of War or Halo or Gears any day of the week. 3rd-party isn't just mega-popular stuff like FIFA or GTA or Skyrim. There's entire genres Nintendo doesn't even make like immersive sims.

the idea of being able to play classic SNES games on the go makes me giddy

You can do that on your phone even with a controller no less.

 

[Mothro]

So is there any purpose in anyone else besides you guys being in this thread anymore? Just asking so I know if I shouldn't bother coming back and decide if I should get some writing done or try out the Octopath Traveler demo.

I'll talk to you. I don't know what to say but I agree that this back and forth between Phoenix and Yoshi is very uninteresting.

Let me see, I am so bored with the Switch that I am back to playing the SNES Classic. Which is my way of saying that I wish Switch had a Virtual console.

I'd argue against the Switch being boring but I agree with you 110% on it needing a Virtual Console. If only because the idea of being able to play classic SNES games on the go makes me giddy.

Though I'm confused. They said they don't have the Virtual Console, yet every other week or so they throw up a NES game onto the E-shop. Donkey Kong just went up (for eight bucks, which is a little too much IMHO, games like that are worth five tops) so are they still gonna be uploading classic games to sell, they're just gonna be calling it something different? It's odd.

It seems like they want to be able to throw up classic games without the Virtual Console branding or it's pricing.