Is there a hatred of California in the USA?

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Fiz_The_Toaster

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Well, seeing as I live in Arizona I'm contractually obligated to hate California. Something about being dubbed "California Jr." or something. I dunno. I didn't ask when I signed the paper.

Anyhoo, I have nothing against California. It's a nice place to visit, but I don't like it's a place I'd like to stay. It does have nice beaches though.
 

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We have hate and stereotypes for a lot of places. Michigan is the state of dead things, including Detroit. Florida is the watering shit hole. No one lives in North Dakota. Texas is the right-wing racist home. New York city is nothing but ego narcissists.

The list goes on. I blame politics.
 

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Ihateregistering1 said:
I've lived in California, and I've lived in two states that have seen large influxes of people from California in recent years (Texas and Colorado) and here's where the 'California hate' comes from:

California has consistently ranked over the past few years as one of the worst places to do business in the US, thanks to a combination of high taxes, lots of regulation, expensive real estate, and high cost of living, thus many have moved to other states for their greater job opportunities. Now, many believe that California's issues are a result of it's largely very left-wing politics. Thus, many people fear that Californians will move in, vote for the same kind of politicians they voted for back in Cali, and thus cause the same problems that Cali faces now (high taxes, crippling debt, loads of regulations, terrible business environment, etc.).

Obviously that's a very simple explanation, and people can agree or disagree on it, but it's what I've seen cause most 'California hate'.
That's probably true of most people who hate california for any particular reason, but I think a majority of it comes from people that think everyone from california is every steriotype associated with this guy.
 

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Well I don't live in California or any other part of of the Unaaitonssteeds of Amurica but I believe they did vote for former body builder/ former action movie star as a Govenor. So they don't seem very inteligent to me
 

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I find them very easy to make fun of but every state has a stereotype that's very easy to make fun of.
 

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Well I don't live in California or any other part of of the Unaaitonssteeds of Amurica but I believe they did vote for former body builder/ former action movie star as a Govenor. So they don't seem very inteligent to me
Just an FYI, Schwarzenegger had $27,000 saved up before coming to the US in the 70's, where he invested in real estate (supplemented by a loan from fellow bodybuilder Joe Weider). He was a millionaire by the age of 22 [http://www.nytimes.com/movies/person/110501/Arnold-Schwarzenegger/biography], before he started appearing in movies.

He was smart enough to forego a salary for the movie Twins, where he took "back end" profits equaling 40% split between him, Danny DeVito, and the director. This was, as he put it, the biggest payday [http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydish/2013/01/25/arnold-schwarzenegger-and-danny-devito-made-%E2%80%98twins%E2%80%99-for-free/] he ever had.

I know that it's easy to label muscle-bound guys as dumb, but this is one case where looks are definitely deceiving.
 

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Simply put, yes there is a hatred of Californians in America.

I am a Native Oregonian, which basically means that I consider California to be an enemy state. Though, throughout the nation there are varying reasons for the vitriol directed at California. The more politically conservative portions of the nation despise California for a perceived political liberalism, notwithstanding the fact that many conservative leaders like Ronald Regan were from the state. Though, it is true that many more progressive elements do make the state their home.

In the more politically liberal northeast, Californians are seen as superficial, less educated and less refined, effectively just trying but failing to live up to the standards of the northeast. Whether or not this is true I have no idea, as I've never actually been to New York or New England.

As for those in the other Pacific Sates, our dislike of California is much more well-founded in reality and real events. For example: ever since the mid-eighties, with the deregulation of cross-state real estate purchases and general lowering of property taxes, the more wealthy real estate firms specializing in San Andreas property began their march northward into northern California and eventually Oregon and Washington. Housing prices and Commercial Leases began to rise dramatically, even before the relative boom of the 1990s, and many of these real property firms began funding local state-wide Ballot Measures to lower property taxes at the cost of State-Run education and Health Care. Google "Oregon Measure 5" to see what I mean.

In addition, many of the long-held Environmental Laws passed in the 50s and 60s under (Republican) Governors Tom McCall and Mark Hatfield were eroded away by both Republican and Democratic governors partly due to pressure and funding from Californian mining, land development, and manufacturing firms. This has made the defining river in Oregon, the Willamette, a veritable cesspool that is no longer safe to swim or bathe in during most of the year. Not only this, but many formerly locally owned businesses which were ethically and responsibly owned have been bought out by Californian investment firms and companies. G.I. Joe's -no relation to the toy- began as a Military Surplus outlet in the 1950s but evolved into a locally owned and run sporting goods and clothes chain. All of their employees were unionized and received health care if employed 35 hours per week or more. The chain was sold to a Californian investment firm in the early 2000s, and within 4 years declared bankruptcy amid rumors of executive fleecing of the company's funds. Thousands of employees were laid off.

These tragedies occur on the personal level as well. Back in the late 90s, my uncle owned a house out in Sandy, Oregon on the Sandy river. Six different families in total owned adjoining property, but in practice, the land was held in common, with everyone able to use it as they saw fit. There were no fences. Out in the country like that, people tend to be close to their neighbors, so close in fact, they stated a game of naming their cats. One got a cat and named it "Brandy" for the color of its fur, leading another to name his cat "Boozer" as a friendly joke. My uncle -not to be outdone- name the next cat he got "Alchy," as in "an alcoholic." Eventually one person moved away to a retirement home and sold his property to a Dentist from California. This dentist claimed to be fleeing the callous and erratic life of southern California, but as soon as he moved in, he installed a chain-link fence around his property. . . This, of course, was actually illegal in the area for good reason, but being so far out into the country the fence was built before anyone could say anything. The reason these fences are illegal there is because of the local deer population, which have no concept of our property, and will almost always attempt to jump fences rather than go around to get to the river. It only took a week for my uncle to find the first yearling to impale itself and die on the fence, and when he approached the dentist over the issue, all the dentist said was: "Stupid deer," and drove off. I spent an afternoon with him one summer pulling deer corpses off the fence and burning them. The dentist may have been trying to flee California, but instead he just brought California with him.

So, yeah. California is not a vague concept to its neighbors, we cannot see it in the glitz and glamor that Hollywood likes to show. It is important to note that Northern Californians may actually have the worst of us all though. Smaller cities in the north of the state are often forgotten in state-wide politics, especially when it comes to education and environmental legislation. Large Universities like UCLA and Cal Tech get a lot of funding, while smaller and community-sized colleges in the northern part of the state are lacking. Most residents are forced to go all the way south to San Fransisco or Sacramento to go to college, northward to Ashland, Oregon or even Carson City, Nevada. Also, environmental legislation is almost always aimed at the southern portion of the state, which has an ecosystem that differs greatly from the mostly forested north.

Overall, I am barely able to tolerate California's existence. At the very least, I think the state should break into two separate parts, allowing the north to manage its own affairs properly. If it was not for the interstate commerce clause of the US constitution, most trade between Oregon and California would have been highly regulated years ago in an effort to stop inflation of real property values and capital flight. Yes, much of my opinion is formed subjectively, but much of it is formed objectively as well, as the Californian economic impact on Oregon has been largely negative.
 

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While people in Washington state don't hate Californians, we DO hate what they did to our cost of living in the 90s and early 00s. Californians would move from California to take a tech job in Seattle and buy a home in one of the suburbs for what in Washington was 3-5x it's value because that's what those homes went for in California. Then they started passing citizen's initiatives that drove up the cost of other goods and pushed their emissions standards onto us even though we already had some in place that restricted the problem pollutants. They passed bills that crippled the logging industry (the town I live in had seven sawmills shut down because there wasn't enough timber for them) killing the economies of many small towns. A logging company tried to take dead and fallen timber out of a forest that had already been through a wildfire two years ago (no living trees would be cut, just clearing out the dead stuff) and the Californians fought until that company was told they could not take the dead timber, wasting the wood and leaving a massive fire danger out there.

Basically, they came in and decided to try and make us into California.
This is exactly what the New Jersey/New York City people did to our cost of living in the Lehigh Valley/eastern Pennsylvania around the same time.

I lived in Monterey, CA for two years, and it was pretty, but I didn't really like it there overall. I liked it more than I like living in Texas, but both experiences annoyed me in a similar way. States that think too highly of themselves, I guess.
 

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Frezzato said:
Just an FYI, Schwarzenegger had $27,000 saved up before coming to the US in the 70's, where he invested in real estate (supplemented by a loan from fellow bodybuilder Joe Weider). He was a millionaire by the age of 22 [http://www.nytimes.com/movies/person/110501/Arnold-Schwarzenegger/biography], before he started appearing in movies.

He was smart enough to forego a salary for the movie Twins, where he took "back end" profits equaling 40% split between him, Danny DeVito, and the director. This was, as he put it, the biggest payday [http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydish/2013/01/25/arnold-schwarzenegger-and-danny-devito-made-%E2%80%98twins%E2%80%99-for-free/] he ever had.

I know that it's easy to label muscle-bound guys as dumb, but this is one case where looks are definitely deceiving.
Exactly, Arnold and Dolph Lundgren are two sharp cookies. Not necessarily justifying the former's political career, but he's hardly the first actor to run for office, so he doesn't deserve too much more ridicule than Reagan or Ventura.


On topic, from my perspective, at least, it has a lot to do with your political perspective. The conservative crowd hates California, along with all other states associated with the "east/west coast liberal intellectual" crowd. The liberal crowd tends to hate Texas, and the other "Heartland, bible-thumper" states.

Florida has gained a huge amount of bi-partisan hate in recent decades, though. XD
 

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As a Texan, a lot of people refer to Texas as the quintessential redneck, right-wing, religious nut state, and California is exactly the opposite (ultra rich, left-wing, liberal whackjobs).

As always, neither stereotype is accurate, but you'll still see me ribbing California every once in a while, still good natured.
 
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JimB said:
I am from Missouri, and I have never heard an actual person say an unkind word about California, or indeed many words at all. I will occasionally hear talking heads on the TV or read letters from the NRA demonizing "Hollywood liberals who hate our freedoms," but that's as close as I've ever come to hearing anyone talk about hating California.

I wouldn't want to live there because I don't like earthquakes or smog, but that's about geology and atmosphere, not geopolitical borders or culture or anything.
Another Missourian here and we all know that there are only 2 proper states to actually hate: Iowa and Kansas.

Seriously though, from what I've seen every state seems to have a cultural norm pointing to a rivalry with another state. While certain policies and particular people from a state might receive a great deal of grief nationally, I don't really think any state receives more hate and bile from the entire country than any other.

Except New Jersey. :D
 

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It's an international thing, really. In Ireland, we have hatred of certain counties. Certain towns. Hell, at a local level, certain streets. I'm guessing California is the equivalent of what people in Belfast call the bandstand.

Dirty Hippies everywhere.
 

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As a native to the state of Oregon, the general attitude I hear regarding California is that we're pretty okay with them... as long as they don't try to move here. That's when we start to dislike them, since it's hard enough to find affordable housing in Portland already, damn it. Also I work with a guy from LA who has some social attitudes that make me very uncomfortable... lots of casual racism/sexism, it's super fun. But he's obviously just one person so I rather hope he's not representative of the state as a whole.

Also California as a state seems to have a relatively high association with that whole anti-vaccine madness, so no points in their favor there.

Overall, I would say I probably hear Florida getting the most amount of hate. Though Texas, Missouri and New Jersey are also popular targets.
 

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Yeah, pretty much this. It is unreal the amount of stupidity that comes out of florida. It doesn't even really make sense, I mean, what's fuelling it?

But of course, it's a large area, so there's undoubtedly some intelligent lifeforms living there. Lifeforms I feel terribly sorry for.

Never heard much about negative said about California, though, aside from LA's supposed crime levels.
I visited Florida for the last shuttle launch (Atlantis), as an Australian I must say the level of stupidity and ignorance gave me a headach. That said those that I knew watched Fox News, so I can't exactly say I was surprised.... I ended up having to watch Cartoon Network to give my brain a rest, which fortunately had Scooby Doo marathon on. Ah memories :)
Vermont was nice though, so was Washington D.C. (although the museum was a disappointment that it pulled the "Wright Brothers were first to fly" nonsense, can't have it all I guess). It was great to see Concord, the Blackbird etc.
I passed through LA so can't comment as I wasn't there long.
 

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loc978 said:
Up here in Oregon, hatred of California used to be synonymous with hatred of tourists. Now 75% of the population is from California... [sub][sub]They're the ones who constantly complain about the rain.[/sub][/sub]
Indeed. And the ones who ask: "Don't rainy days make you depressed?" And we try no to laugh. [sub]remember not to tell them that rain gives us our powers, turns our hair gold and us into super-oregonians. It is a secret.[/sub]

Spiridion said:
As a native to the state of Oregon, the general attitude I hear regarding California is that we're pretty okay with them... as long as they don't try to move here. That's when we start to dislike them, since it's hard enough to find affordable housing in Portland already, damn it. Also I work with a guy from LA who has some social attitudes that make me very uncomfortable... lots of casual racism/sexism, it's super fun. But he's obviously just one person so I rather hope he's not representative of the state as a whole.

Also California as a state seems to have a relatively high association with that whole anti-vaccine madness, so no points in their favor there.

Overall, I would say I probably hear Florida getting the most amount of hate. Though Texas, Missouri and New Jersey are also popular targets.
Wow, there must be two different Oregons for that to be true. No, I think I just might be a bit older than you, or remember what happened with housing starting in the 90s, as I explained in my long post. Unfortunately, every single person from LA I have ever met was much like the one you described, with one single exception: my sister's former neighbor. He fit right in Portland because he was a laid-back kind of guy who made a living woodworking. Unfortunately, he passed away not too long ago, so my last vestige of hope for Los Angelians was lost.
 

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Kolby Jack said:
A LOT of American cultural movements had their roots in California, so it'd be pretty stupid to hate them for trend-setting.
Dark Knifer said:
Well I could believe people would hate them for trend setting, even though it is stupid to hate for that.
Pretty much 100% of the hate I see for California is for it being a wretched hive of progress and immorality. It's not just CA that gets this, either. New York (specifically the city) and Massachusetts get similar (and in NYC's case, as vitriolic) responses from a lot of people. California is one of the trend setters, one of the cultural centers, and has a large impact on public policy.
 

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The "this product contains chemicals known by the state of California to cause cancer" thing gets a little old. One friend noted that he'd seen such a warning regarding lead... in crystal.

That seems like a little much.

I don't envy California its budget or educational woes, but what I've seen of the state is beautiful, and the people I've known from there have been no more insane than those from anywhere else, including my home state. The drivers I've encountered in California are their own shade of crazy, but drivers I've encountered everywhere are their own shade of crazy, and at least I didn't see anyone driving on the sidewalk last time I was in California.

(Except Hawaii. Hawaiian drivers seem to be friendly and courteous. Go figure.)
 

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I saw the joke you were referring to. I'm pretty sure it was a really bad attempt at a Fallout joke, so I wouldn't read to much into it.

EDIT-LA traffic can go get nuked, though. Fuck that shit.
 

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Kolby Jack said:
Dark Knifer said:
Kolby Jack said:
Californians are mostly pretty cool. A LOT of American cultural movements had their roots in California, so it'd be pretty stupid to hate them for trend-setting. That said, most people from LA suck. I think even Californians (who aren't from LA, and even then...) would agree with me there. LA is a shitty place, though that's true for most big cities in some way or another.
Well I could believe people would hate them for trend setting, even though it is stupid to hate for that.

I'v eheard that sentiment about LA a lot as well, why is it bad?
Traffic. Arrogance. Vapidness. Disconnected from the rest of the world. Gangs. Dirty Cops. A crappy airport that most flights route through. Smog.
Not to mention that LAX wants to try and shut down Ontario International Airport making it harder for those in the Inland Empire to fly out.

Personally, as a Californian, I HATE California.

Most of what was said in that quoted post goes for most of California. I'm from the Inland Empire. No one knows where the fuck my city is. Even people in neighbouring cities that border mine. Not to mention that because I'm technically in a valley, people expect all of us to be valley girls/boys. Plus all of LA's smog gets blown into my city. As does Orange County's. Public transportation sucks balls if you don't live in San Diego, San Francisco, or LA. It literally takes 4 hours to get from one end of my city to the other. And that's a whole 10 miles. WHEN the buses are running on time. Everyone out here wants to be in Hollywood either on the porn side or the other side(I'm not calling it more legitimate even though its what everyone else calls it since both are legitimate jobs). For the past few months and the next few months I get to play the "is that gunshots, a car backfiring, or fireworks going off" game. Employment out here SUCKS BALLS. Wanna be gang members out here.

And then there's the people who assume all of us like the beach/ocean (I fucking despise it) and know how to surf and talk exactly like they do in the movies(spoiler: we don't talk like that unless we're making fun of the movies). AND WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH ALL THE DAMN IMPORTED PALM TREES? They aren't native to California. They are fucking everywhere and people put lights all over them for the damn holidays. Someone explain this phenomenon to me because I don't understand it and I've lived here my entire life. Also, the heat. It's too damn hot here. And people are excessively judgemental out here. Wear shorts because it's 90+ degrees fahrenheit outside? You must be a slut. Especially if it's paired with flip flops and a tank top. Not only that you're a disgusting slut who should be ashamed of being outside. Though that one is if you aren't under a size 5 with huge boobs. And anything over a size 5 is fat out here.

Though truth to be told, LA is overly hyped up just because Hollywood is there. And Hollywood isn't as nice as people seem to think it is. Certain areas of LA and Hollywood are nice but a lot of them aren't.
 

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Another Missourian here and we all know that there are only 2 proper states to actually hate: Iowa and Kansas.

Seriously though, from what I've seen every state seems to have a cultural norm pointing to a rivalry with another state. While certain policies and particular people from a state might receive a great deal of grief nationally, I don't really think any state receives more hate and bile from the entire country than any other.

Except New Jersey. :D
Another from the MO dogpile here. Generally, there's more hate between StL and KC than there is between Missouri and other states from our end. Well, that and the general Red/Blue divide, which is SHARP AS HELL in parts of the state. But mostly StL vs KC, which acts sort of like the dividing line between the east and west of the nation (seriously, look at a picture of the cities and tell me they're the same state), and the citizens of the state being notoriously cynical and outgoing in weird proportions.

Wait, no, anyone who ever uses the phrase "flyover country" seriously gets on the ****list.